is this pic of K30D?

ogl · 05-11-2009, 02:38 AM

Originally posted by RiceHigh

JIS8 practically means that the camera can withstand any strong splashes from any side or even fully immersed the camera in the water with "light" pressure, say, less than a few metres.

I really doubt that for a SLR for having very "strong" water proofing as the weakest point is at the mount!

Camera is smaller than K10D/K20D, but has more sealings.

ogl · 05-11-2009, 02:40 AM

Originally posted by Priyantha Bleeker

LOL

Well you said you have to combine the D200,D2X and the E3

And I did

What will it be then ?

11 point AF system is okay I suppose ?

The 5 FPS also...
Maybe the buffer and the viewfinder not ?

11 - OK. Wait a bit. May, 20 is close.

ShutterWaster · 05-11-2009, 02:42 AM

Originally posted by ogl

I'm sure. Better. I don't know JIS8 or not, but better.

When I see these words, I can't stop my self to register and reply you that:

As you mentioned (are you?) some one wash K10d in basin, the "Better" should be "wash" in bathtub.

zipser · 05-11-2009, 02:42 AM

Originally posted by ogl

Camera is smaller than K10D/K20D, but has more sealings.

If it has more holes (microphone i.e.) it must have more sealings

ogl · 05-11-2009, 02:47 AM

I say about inner sealings.

Priyantha Bleeker · 05-11-2009, 02:47 AM

Originally posted by ogl

11 - OK. Wait a bit. May, 20 is close.

Okay than that's confirmed

I have to say I am a bit disappointed with it...
I had hoped for more AF points, a completely new AF system...I hoped for it after the disappointment of the K20D in this respect.

gazonk · 05-11-2009, 02:49 AM

Originally posted by ogl

I say about inner sealings.

Inner sealings? So it does have a rubber soul, that's where the Beatles connection is

ogl · 05-11-2009, 02:56 AM

The presentation of K-7 will be in Norway.

RMabo · 05-11-2009, 03:15 AM

The phase detect autofocus system is an improvement of the existing system in the K20D, it is not totally new. This doesn't have to be bad. The K-m uses an improved version of the AF system from the *ist DL2, and the K-m outperforms the K20D in low light.

I believe isn't the actual performance more important than if the system is an improvement of an old or a totally new system?

It will still be SAFOX, but a better SAFOX.
Performance will satisfy.
There is no need to worry.

gazonk · 05-11-2009, 03:23 AM

Originally posted by ogl

The presentation of K-7 will be in Norway.

Yes, I've read that before. Funny, given the somewhat uncertain presence of Pentax in Norway currently (fovi.no was the distributor for years, and the new distributor aronsen.no hasn't actually been very convincing yet, at least not in its web presence – www.pentax.no was left unconfigured for several months before they finally redirected it to the Aronsen site)

ogl · 05-11-2009, 03:27 AM

Said NEW AF SYSTEM in press-release.
Maybe layout of AF points is a bit different?
The AF has greatly improved algorithm.

blende8 · 05-11-2009, 03:28 AM

Originally posted by RMabo

It will still be SAFOX, but a better SAFOX.

What makes SAFOX SAFOX?
What distinguishes it from others?

(I know how many funny things one could answer here. Resist.)

ogl · 05-11-2009, 03:47 AM

There is no JIS standart for DSLR, because DSLR has a BIG HOLE in body.
Standart could be only for DSLR with WR + lens with WR. But there is no such standart.

digital_aspirin · 05-11-2009, 03:55 AM

Originally posted by RMabo

Performance will satisfy.
There is no need to worry.

OK! In low light performance will satisfy, but what about predictive focus/focus tracking? Is there an improvement? Or put it otherwise, is there an algorithm at all?

falconeye · 05-11-2009, 04:05 AM

Originally posted by blende8

What makes SAFOX SAFOX?
What distinguishes it from others?

(I know how many funny things one could answer here. Resist.)

Resistance is Futile

Safox is just Pentax name for AF. But what matters, besides algorithms of course, is phase split aperture (~f/5.6), the µm resolution, size and light sensitivity of AF sensor cells.

It is funny how these figures are analyized to death for the image sensor, but nothing is known for the AF sensor. CCD, CMOS, size, #pixels? ... nothing!

I don't care if it is Safox whatever, But I would care if those parameters would improve...

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05-11-2009, 02:38 AM	#2221
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	Originally posted by RiceHigh JIS8 practically means that the camera can withstand any strong splashes from any side or even fully immersed the camera in the water with "light" pressure, say, less than a few metres. I really doubt that for a SLR for having very "strong" water proofing as the weakest point is at the mount! Camera is smaller than K10D/K20D, but has more sealings.

05-11-2009, 02:40 AM	#2222
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	Originally posted by Priyantha Bleeker LOL Well you said you have to combine the D200,D2X and the E3 And I did What will it be then ? 11 point AF system is okay I suppose ? The 5 FPS also... Maybe the buffer and the viewfinder not ? 11 - OK. Wait a bit. May, 20 is close.

05-11-2009, 02:42 AM	#2223
ShutterWaster New Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Beijing Posts: 18	Originally posted by ogl I'm sure. Better. I don't know JIS8 or not, but better. When I see these words, I can't stop my self to register and reply you that: As you mentioned (are you?) some one wash K10d in basin, the "Better" should be "wash" in bathtub.

05-11-2009, 02:42 AM	#2224
zipser New Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: World Posts: 13	Originally posted by ogl Camera is smaller than K10D/K20D, but has more sealings. If it has more holes (microphone i.e.) it must have more sealings

05-11-2009, 02:47 AM	#2225
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	I say about inner sealings.

05-11-2009, 02:47 AM	#2226
Priyantha Bleeker Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Amsterdam Posts: 190	Originally posted by ogl 11 - OK. Wait a bit. May, 20 is close. Okay than that's confirmed I have to say I am a bit disappointed with it... I had hoped for more AF points, a completely new AF system...I hoped for it after the disappointment of the K20D in this respect.

05-11-2009, 02:49 AM	#2227
gazonk Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Oslo area, Norway Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,746	Originally posted by ogl I say about inner sealings. Inner sealings? So it does have a rubber soul, that's where the Beatles connection is

05-11-2009, 02:56 AM	#2228
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	The presentation of K-7 will be in Norway.

05-11-2009, 03:15 AM	#2229
RMabo Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Sweden Posts: 845	The phase detect autofocus system is an improvement of the existing system in the K20D, it is not totally new. This doesn't have to be bad. The K-m uses an improved version of the AF system from the *ist DL2, and the K-m outperforms the K20D in low light. I believe isn't the actual performance more important than if the system is an improvement of an old or a totally new system? It will still be SAFOX, but a better SAFOX. Performance will satisfy. There is no need to worry.

05-11-2009, 03:23 AM	#2230
gazonk Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Oslo area, Norway Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,746	Originally posted by ogl The presentation of K-7 will be in Norway. Yes, I've read that before. Funny, given the somewhat uncertain presence of Pentax in Norway currently (fovi.no was the distributor for years, and the new distributor aronsen.no hasn't actually been very convincing yet, at least not in its web presence – www.pentax.no was left unconfigured for several months before they finally redirected it to the Aronsen site)

05-11-2009, 03:27 AM	#2231
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	Said NEW AF SYSTEM in press-release. Maybe layout of AF points is a bit different? The AF has greatly improved algorithm.

05-11-2009, 03:28 AM	#2232
blende8 Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Bremen, Germany Photos: Albums Posts: 1,521	Originally posted by RMabo It will still be SAFOX, but a better SAFOX. What makes SAFOX SAFOX? What distinguishes it from others? (I know how many funny things one could answer here. Resist.)

05-11-2009, 03:47 AM	#2233
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	There is no JIS standart for DSLR, because DSLR has a BIG HOLE in body. Standart could be only for DSLR with WR + lens with WR. But there is no such standart.

05-11-2009, 03:55 AM	#2234
digital_aspirin New Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Agios Dimitrios Posts: 16	Originally posted by RMabo Performance will satisfy. There is no need to worry. OK! In low light performance will satisfy, but what about predictive focus/focus tracking? Is there an improvement? Or put it otherwise, is there an algorithm at all?

05-11-2009, 04:05 AM	#2235
falconeye Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Munich, Alps, Germany Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,871	Originally posted by blende8 What makes SAFOX SAFOX? What distinguishes it from others? (I know how many funny things one could answer here. Resist.) Resistance is Futile Safox is just Pentax name for AF. But what matters, besides algorithms of course, is phase split aperture (~f/5.6), the µm resolution, size and light sensitivity of AF sensor cells. It is funny how these figures are analyized to death for the image sensor, but nothing is known for the AF sensor. CCD, CMOS, size, #pixels? ... nothing! I don't care if it is Safox whatever, But I would care if those parameters would improve...