is this pic of K30D?

mattdm · 05-12-2009, 04:23 AM

Originally posted by sezme

Stunning! And look how well Pentax is trending against Tulips (Pentax in blue):
Flickr Trends

I was looking at Flickr's stats, and I was very surprised how popular the K10D is vs. all other Pentax models:
Flickr: Camera Finder: Pentax

(K10D is pink, K20D is yellow.)

The K20D has a straight growth line, but can't manage to catch up. The green is the K200D. Looks to me that effectively these two models split the market, whereas formerly everyone interested bought the K10D. (In fact, as of today, active daily users of K20D + K200D is almost exactly equal to K10D.)

**rparmar** · 05-12-2009, 06:04 AM

Originally posted by mattdm

The K20D has a straight growth line, but can't manage to catch up. The green is the K200D. Looks to me that effectively these two models split the market, whereas formerly everyone interested bought the K10D. (In fact, as of today, active daily users of K20D + K200D is almost exactly equal to K10D.)

Makes sense. The thing about Pentax bodies is that they are all fantastic. There is not much incentive to upgrade. Whereas the "other companies" plan their entire business off customers needing to upgrade bodies and lenses all the time just to get something decent. It's one of the reasons Canikon make more money. And it's one of the reasons I have a Pentax.

eyou · 05-12-2009, 06:30 AM

wow that flickr stats graph is so cool. i didnt realize they had that.

Just for fun i wanted to see how the two big wigs were duking it out. They seem neck and neck and even have the same dips and peaks its almost scary. It's like everyone that uses them are ROBOTS!!!
C in Pink. N in blue.

Also i checked out the # of users for each of their cameras. As predicted the Rebel was on top. I think it is funny and peculiar that for pentax, their top camera seller is their most expensive model instead of their entry level(k10d well when it was released)! its almost backwards.

if theses pseudo stats say anything, i think pentax may hit it big with the k-7. maybe most k10d users were satisfied enough to not upgrade to k20d and waiting for the next one?

**Pål Jensen** · 05-12-2009, 07:24 AM

Originally posted by eyou

Also i checked out the # of users for each of their cameras. As predicted the Rebel was on top. I think it is funny and peculiar that for pentax, their top camera seller is their most expensive model instead of their entry level(k10d well when it was released)! its almost backwards.

if theses pseudo stats say anything, i think pentax may hit it big with the k-7. maybe most k10d users were satisfied enough to not upgrade to k20d and waiting for the next one?

I think that is very much spot on. Pentax nowadays is an enthusiast brand; not a default choice of the masses. If Pentax can used this to their advantage, they could find a profitable niche in the market. In spite of the fact that the pros are using Nikon and Canon, their brand value is bound by the fact that 80% are using them; not something you will choose in order to be different. They are the GM and Ford of the DSLR world.....

GoldenWreckedAngle · 05-12-2009, 07:29 AM

Originally posted by eyou

I think it is funny and peculiar that for pentax, their top camera seller is their most expensive model instead of their entry level(k10d well when it was released)! its almost backwards.

if theses pseudo stats say anything, i think pentax may hit it big with the k-7. maybe most k10d users were satisfied enough to not upgrade to k20d and waiting for the next one?

That would be me. According to DxO Lab's camera rankings, the K10D actually edged out the K20D in RAW image quality. Surprisingly, the Samsung GX20 did better than both. If I were going to make a stop gap upgrade, I would move to the GX20, not the K20D.

I may still do that, depending on how long it takes the K-7 to depreciate a bit. Much as I hope to see explosive sales for the K-7, I don't personally buy newly released anything.

thibs · 05-12-2009, 07:42 AM

Originally posted by GoldenWreckedAngle

That would be me. According to DxO Lab's camera rankings, the K10D actually edged out the K20D in RAW image quality. Surprisingly, the Samsung GX20 did better than both. If I were going to make a stop gap upgrade, I would move to the GX20, not the K20D.

I may still do that, depending on how long it takes the K-7 to depreciate a bit. Much as I hope to see explosive sales for the K-7, I don't personally buy newly released anything.

DXO smoked crack as following them the sensor is not the same between K20/GX20.
Maybe they should get a clue..

Erik · 05-12-2009, 07:52 AM

Originally posted by thibs

DXO smoked crack as following them the sensor is not the same between K20/GX20.

The sensor is the same, the processing is different. Every review of the GX20 mentions this; there is more of a difference between GX20 and K20D than there was between GX10 and K10D.

ogl · 05-12-2009, 08:07 AM

new riddle

980 15 670

jct us101 · 05-12-2009, 08:09 AM

What are the riddles?

thibs · 05-12-2009, 08:40 AM

Originally posted by Erik

The sensor is the same, the processing is different. Every review of the GX20 mentions this; there is more of a difference between GX20 and K20D than there was between GX10 and K10D.

I know the processing is different but according to DXO the pixel pitch isn't the same

NorwegianViking · 05-12-2009, 08:43 AM

Originally posted by ogl

new riddle

980 15 670

Its a phonenumber to Kongsberg Defence & Aerospace in Norway.

Kongsberg Defence Systems - Kongsberg Gruppen

GoldenWreckedAngle · 05-12-2009, 08:44 AM

Originally posted by thibs

DXO smoked crack as following them the sensor is not the same between K20/GX20.
Maybe they should get a clue..

Clues are oft distributed but rarely acquired. Sort of like stray puppies... Everyone thinks the world's problems would be solved if everyone else would just take one home.

ShutterWaster · 05-12-2009, 08:49 AM

Originally posted by ogl

new riddle

980 15 670

670 should be weight.
980 is 98% viewfinder? or 980$? or video width is 980?
no way for 15fps. maybe 15Mbps for video recording?

Turo · 05-12-2009, 08:54 AM

Originally posted by ShutterWaster

980mm in height?

I hope not !!!

(so weight maybe is 670 Kg.)

leeak · 05-12-2009, 09:01 AM

I got it now. 980FPS at 670MP and selling for $15?

BTW is this really a riddle?

05-12-2009, 06:30 AM	#2328
eyou Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 224	wow that flickr stats graph is so cool. i didnt realize they had that. Just for fun i wanted to see how the two big wigs were duking it out. They seem neck and neck and even have the same dips and peaks its almost scary. It's like everyone that uses them are ROBOTS!!! C in Pink. N in blue. Also i checked out the # of users for each of their cameras. As predicted the Rebel was on top. I think it is funny and peculiar that for pentax, their top camera seller is their most expensive model instead of their entry level(k10d well when it was released)! its almost backwards. if theses pseudo stats say anything, i think pentax may hit it big with the k-7. maybe most k10d users were satisfied enough to not upgrade to k20d and waiting for the next one? Last edited by eyou; 05-12-2009 at 06:43 AM.

05-12-2009, 08:49 AM	#2338
ShutterWaster New Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Beijing Posts: 18	Originally posted by ogl new riddle 980 15 670 670 should be weight. 980 is 98% viewfinder? or 980$? or video width is 980? no way for 15fps. maybe 15Mbps for video recording? Last edited by ShutterWaster; 05-12-2009 at 09:01 AM. Reason: ops...

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05-12-2009, 04:23 AM	#2326
mattdm Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Boston, MA Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,948	Originally posted by sezme Stunning! And look how well Pentax is trending against Tulips (Pentax in blue): Flickr Trends I was looking at Flickr's stats, and I was very surprised how popular the K10D is vs. all other Pentax models: Flickr: Camera Finder: Pentax (K10D is pink, K20D is yellow.) The K20D has a straight growth line, but can't manage to catch up. The green is the K200D. Looks to me that effectively these two models split the market, whereas formerly everyone interested bought the K10D. (In fact, as of today, active daily users of K20D + K200D is almost exactly equal to K10D.)

05-12-2009, 06:04 AM	#2327
rparmar Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2008 Photos: Gallery Posts: 8,819	Originally posted by mattdm The K20D has a straight growth line, but can't manage to catch up. The green is the K200D. Looks to me that effectively these two models split the market, whereas formerly everyone interested bought the K10D. (In fact, as of today, active daily users of K20D + K200D is almost exactly equal to K10D.) Makes sense. The thing about Pentax bodies is that they are all fantastic. There is not much incentive to upgrade. Whereas the "other companies" plan their entire business off customers needing to upgrade bodies and lenses all the time just to get something decent. It's one of the reasons Canikon make more money. And it's one of the reasons I have a Pentax.

05-12-2009, 07:24 AM	#2329
Pål Jensen Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Norway Photos: Albums Posts: 4,371	Originally posted by eyou Also i checked out the # of users for each of their cameras. As predicted the Rebel was on top. I think it is funny and peculiar that for pentax, their top camera seller is their most expensive model instead of their entry level(k10d well when it was released)! its almost backwards. if theses pseudo stats say anything, i think pentax may hit it big with the k-7. maybe most k10d users were satisfied enough to not upgrade to k20d and waiting for the next one? I think that is very much spot on. Pentax nowadays is an enthusiast brand; not a default choice of the masses. If Pentax can used this to their advantage, they could find a profitable niche in the market. In spite of the fact that the pros are using Nikon and Canon, their brand value is bound by the fact that 80% are using them; not something you will choose in order to be different. They are the GM and Ford of the DSLR world.....

05-12-2009, 07:29 AM	#2330
GoldenWreckedAngle Veteran Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Abilene, TX Posts: 339	Originally posted by eyou I think it is funny and peculiar that for pentax, their top camera seller is their most expensive model instead of their entry level(k10d well when it was released)! its almost backwards. if theses pseudo stats say anything, i think pentax may hit it big with the k-7. maybe most k10d users were satisfied enough to not upgrade to k20d and waiting for the next one? That would be me. According to DxO Lab's camera rankings, the K10D actually edged out the K20D in RAW image quality. Surprisingly, the Samsung GX20 did better than both. If I were going to make a stop gap upgrade, I would move to the GX20, not the K20D. I may still do that, depending on how long it takes the K-7 to depreciate a bit. Much as I hope to see explosive sales for the K-7, I don't personally buy newly released anything.

05-12-2009, 07:42 AM	#2331
thibs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Photos: Albums Posts: 7,001	Originally posted by GoldenWreckedAngle That would be me. According to DxO Lab's camera rankings, the K10D actually edged out the K20D in RAW image quality. Surprisingly, the Samsung GX20 did better than both. If I were going to make a stop gap upgrade, I would move to the GX20, not the K20D. I may still do that, depending on how long it takes the K-7 to depreciate a bit. Much as I hope to see explosive sales for the K-7, I don't personally buy newly released anything. DXO smoked crack as following them the sensor is not the same between K20/GX20. Maybe they should get a clue..

05-12-2009, 07:52 AM	#2332
Erik Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Umeå, Sweden Posts: 755	Originally posted by thibs DXO smoked crack as following them the sensor is not the same between K20/GX20. The sensor is the same, the processing is different. Every review of the GX20 mentions this; there is more of a difference between GX20 and K20D than there was between GX10 and K10D.

05-12-2009, 08:07 AM	#2333
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	new riddle 980 15 670

05-12-2009, 08:09 AM	#2334
jct us101 Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Rohnert Park, CA Posts: 3,793	What are the riddles?

05-12-2009, 08:40 AM	#2335
thibs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Photos: Albums Posts: 7,001	Originally posted by Erik The sensor is the same, the processing is different. Every review of the GX20 mentions this; there is more of a difference between GX20 and K20D than there was between GX10 and K10D. I know the processing is different but according to DXO the pixel pitch isn't the same

05-12-2009, 08:43 AM	#2336
NorwegianViking New Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Norway - Lillehammer Posts: 21	Originally posted by ogl new riddle 980 15 670 Its a phonenumber to Kongsberg Defence & Aerospace in Norway. Kongsberg Defence Systems - Kongsberg Gruppen

05-12-2009, 08:44 AM	#2337
GoldenWreckedAngle Veteran Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Abilene, TX Posts: 339	Originally posted by thibs DXO smoked crack as following them the sensor is not the same between K20/GX20. Maybe they should get a clue.. Clues are oft distributed but rarely acquired. Sort of like stray puppies... Everyone thinks the world's problems would be solved if everyone else would just take one home.

05-12-2009, 08:54 AM	#2339
Turo Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Chengdu Posts: 31	Originally posted by ShutterWaster 980mm in height? I hope not !!! (so weight maybe is 670 Kg.)

05-12-2009, 09:01 AM	#2340
leeak Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Seattle Posts: 245	I got it now. 980FPS at 670MP and selling for $15? BTW is this really a riddle?