is this pic of K30D?

Vaikis_ · 05-13-2009, 10:28 PM

Originally posted by Edvinas

Tai ten tu K20D omnitel.foto pardavinėjai už 2050Lt?

ne

Maniski pazystamas paeme

Sebbe_J · 05-13-2009, 10:37 PM

Originally posted by ryan s

Edit: Anyone with good PS skills care to make a comparison to the K-m?

My PS skills aren't that great, but here is a quick n' dirty sample.

Looks quite like the size of the k-m.

ogl · 05-13-2009, 10:41 PM

Originally posted by illdefined

Revolutionary to me, would mean bringing something new to the industry itself, versus just bringing Pentax to the level of it's current competitors.

I'm not sure if SMALL and current alone qualifies.

There is something NEW.

ogl · 05-13-2009, 10:42 PM

Originally posted by Sebbe_J

My PS skills aren't that great, but here is a quick n' dirty sample.

Looks quite like the size of the k-m.

NO. Close to K200D. I think K200D's size is better than K20D. IMO.

Last edited by ogl; 05-13-2009 at 11:25 PM.

illdefined · 05-13-2009, 10:50 PM

Originally posted by ogl

There is something NEW.

Wonderful. I really hope you're right ogl, it could make all this inflated hype worth it.

Pentax already has me with me with the K-7. I want it to get others too though, people outside of Pentax.

lol101 · 05-13-2009, 11:15 PM

Originally posted by bpjod

For those who use their left eye to look through the viewfinder, let me assure you that you can learn to shoot with your right eye. I'm left eye dominant and used the left eye with the viewfinder for years. Then I got a Hexar AF and it was such a great advantage to use the right eye that I retrained myself to use the right eye at the viewfinder. I rarely use the Hexar anymore but that habit has pretty much stuck with me.

Of course I must qualify that this behaviour can be learned if you are merely left eye dominant. If you're amblyopic, have reduced sight in your right eye due to disease or trauma or you have a prosthetic right eye, well then I hope you can find a place to put your nose because you're going to have to stick with using your left eye.

Alas... amblyopic is my middle name (4/10 on the right eye... with glasses!)...

But I cannot blame that on Pentax now can I?

Erik · 05-13-2009, 11:18 PM

I'm absolutely amazed at all the whining about the camera not being big enough. What? If a compact, lightweight camera is that horrible, there will be a battery grip. If that's not enough, glue a brick or two to the battery grip, and if that's not enough, buy a D3 or something as Pentax is obviously just not your "thing". In the 70's, pro photographers used 35mm bodies that were all smaller than any current DSLR, and yet here we are in 2009 and cannot accept that our amorphous black plastic blob is smaller than other amorphous black plastic blobs. Again, what?

Some of us choose Pentax because the cameras are small, and will not be really happy until a DSLR is at least as small as the MX. The smaller the better, with no reservations whatsoever.

lol101 · 05-13-2009, 11:25 PM

Originally posted by ogl

Did you take K-7 in your hands?
No. What are we talking about?

Ogl is right here, ergonomic details and general feeling can only be known when one has tried the camera in person.

I fear it will be too small for me and awkward to use because I am left eyed but until I have tried it, there is nothing certain.

And even after that, ergonomics is something really particular to one person: you like it or you don't.

ogl · 05-13-2009, 11:26 PM

Compact DSLR is Pentax's feature. For a long time. Pentax made a lot of small SLR and DSLR.

ogl · 05-13-2009, 11:28 PM

Originally posted by lol101

Ogl is right here, ergonomic details and general feeling can only be known when one has tried the camera in person.

I fear it will be too small for me and awkward to use because I am left eyed but until I have tried it, there is nothing certain.

And even after that, ergonomics is something really particular to one person: you like it or you don't.

battery-grip will help. testers said that K-7 with grip is more comfortable than K10D and more compact.

xhanatos · 05-13-2009, 11:29 PM

If the k-7 was released 1-2 years ago, I'd complain about the size as well. But now that I have found my niche, which is street photography, I'm very pleased with K-7's size.

Now I'll just wait for pentax to release a pancake 30mm f1.8.. that'd be a killer combo!

k-7!k-7! k-7!k-7!k-7!k-7!k-7!k-7!k-7!k-7!k-7!

lol101 · 05-13-2009, 11:31 PM

Originally posted by Erik

I'm absolutely amazed at all the whining about the camera not being big enough. What? If a compact, lightweight camera is that horrible, there will be a battery grip. If that's not enough, glue a brick or two to the battery grip, and if that's not enough, buy a D3 or something as Pentax is obviously just not your "thing". In the 70's, pro photographers used 35mm bodies that were all smaller than any current DSLR, and yet here we are in 2009 and cannot accept that our amorphous black plastic blob is smaller than other amorphous black plastic blobs. Again, what?

Some of us choose Pentax because the cameras are small, and will not be really happy until a DSLR is at least as small as the MX. The smaller the better, with no reservations whatsoever.

Some like small cameras, and some don't... ergo the one who like small cameras will rave about it and the one that don't... won't!

What's so strange?

I have very good reasons not to like small cameras and you probably have very good reasons to like them...

I see you are quick to get the traditional "if you don't like it, shut up and leave it!" argument but tell me this: if Pentax gets out a bigger camera sometimes in the future, will you switch to Olympus or micro 4/3 quietly and without a second look?

ogl · 05-13-2009, 11:50 PM

Originally posted by lol101

if Pentax gets out a bigger camera sometimes in the future, will you switch to Olympus or micro 4/3 quietly and without a second look?

good question...

Erik · 05-14-2009, 12:07 AM

Originally posted by lol101

Some like small cameras, and some don't... ergo the one who like small cameras will rave about it and the one that don't... won't!

Yeah, but you get the battery grip, though.

Originally posted by lol101

What's so strange?

Well, honestly, I was being a bit more inflammatory than I needed to because that's the tone expected in this thread by now

... but what's so strange is people go with Pentax and then act surprised when Pentax releases compact bodies. It's what Pentax does.

Originally posted by lol101

I see you are quick to get the traditional "if you don't like it, shut up and leave it!" argument but tell me this: if Pentax gets out a bigger camera sometimes in the future, will you switch to Olympus or micro 4/3 quietly and without a second look?

No, I'd keep my K100D Super, but let's say it broke down and suddenly the only Pentax models available were D3 sized -- yes, I'd go Olympus faster than you can say E-420. I would miss my K glass, but honestly, no way in flaming hell am I carrying that sort of crap around.

Yohan Pamudji · 05-14-2009, 12:24 AM

Originally posted by illdefined

Wonderful. I really hope you're right ogl, it could make all this inflated hype worth it.

Pentax already has me with me with the K-7. I want it to get others too though, people outside of Pentax.

Yvon Borque at PENTAX DSLRs claims that "Other DSLRs will have to play catch-up" and the general buzz from people who have seen the real specs seems to be genuine excitement.

All we laymen have now is rumored specs. Let's see what the real specs are and what this supposedly amazing new feature is that will leave other DSLRs in the dust. Even if it only has the oft-repeated rumored specs I would consider it a great camera, and the fact that it packs all of that into such a compact frame is in its own way revolutionary. Nobody else is doing it. At the very least it's unique, which is something Pentax definitely need to emphasize and use to their advantage.

05-13-2009, 10:37 PM	#2612
Sebbe_J Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Växjö Photos: Gallery Posts: 127	Originally posted by ryan s Edit: Anyone with good PS skills care to make a comparison to the K-m? My PS skills aren't that great, but here is a quick n' dirty sample. Looks quite like the size of the k-m. Attached Images

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05-13-2009, 10:28 PM	#2611
Vaikis_ Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 213	Originally posted by Edvinas Tai ten tu K20D omnitel.foto pardavinėjai už 2050Lt? ne Maniski pazystamas paeme

05-13-2009, 10:41 PM	#2613
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	Originally posted by illdefined Revolutionary to me, would mean bringing something new to the industry itself, versus just bringing Pentax to the level of it's current competitors. I'm not sure if SMALL and current alone qualifies. There is something NEW.

05-13-2009, 10:42 PM	#2614
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	Originally posted by Sebbe_J My PS skills aren't that great, but here is a quick n' dirty sample. Looks quite like the size of the k-m. NO. Close to K200D. I think K200D's size is better than K20D. IMO. Last edited by ogl; 05-13-2009 at 11:25 PM.

05-13-2009, 10:50 PM	#2615
illdefined Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: NYC Posts: 929	Originally posted by ogl There is something NEW. Wonderful. I really hope you're right ogl, it could make all this inflated hype worth it. Pentax already has me with me with the K-7. I want it to get others too though, people outside of Pentax.

05-13-2009, 11:15 PM	#2616
lol101 Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Garennes sur Eure France Photos: Gallery Posts: 899	Originally posted by bpjod For those who use their left eye to look through the viewfinder, let me assure you that you can learn to shoot with your right eye. I'm left eye dominant and used the left eye with the viewfinder for years. Then I got a Hexar AF and it was such a great advantage to use the right eye that I retrained myself to use the right eye at the viewfinder. I rarely use the Hexar anymore but that habit has pretty much stuck with me. Of course I must qualify that this behaviour can be learned if you are merely left eye dominant. If you're amblyopic, have reduced sight in your right eye due to disease or trauma or you have a prosthetic right eye, well then I hope you can find a place to put your nose because you're going to have to stick with using your left eye. Alas... amblyopic is my middle name (4/10 on the right eye... with glasses!)... But I cannot blame that on Pentax now can I?

05-13-2009, 11:18 PM	#2617
Erik Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Umeå, Sweden Posts: 755	I'm absolutely amazed at all the whining about the camera not being big enough. What? If a compact, lightweight camera is that horrible, there will be a battery grip. If that's not enough, glue a brick or two to the battery grip, and if that's not enough, buy a D3 or something as Pentax is obviously just not your "thing". In the 70's, pro photographers used 35mm bodies that were all smaller than any current DSLR, and yet here we are in 2009 and cannot accept that our amorphous black plastic blob is smaller than other amorphous black plastic blobs. Again, what? Some of us choose Pentax because the cameras are small, and will not be really happy until a DSLR is at least as small as the MX. The smaller the better, with no reservations whatsoever.

05-13-2009, 11:25 PM	#2618
lol101 Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Garennes sur Eure France Photos: Gallery Posts: 899	Originally posted by ogl Did you take K-7 in your hands? No. What are we talking about? Ogl is right here, ergonomic details and general feeling can only be known when one has tried the camera in person. I fear it will be too small for me and awkward to use because I am left eyed but until I have tried it, there is nothing certain. And even after that, ergonomics is something really particular to one person: you like it or you don't.

05-13-2009, 11:26 PM	#2619
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	Compact DSLR is Pentax's feature. For a long time. Pentax made a lot of small SLR and DSLR.

05-13-2009, 11:28 PM	#2620
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	Originally posted by lol101 Ogl is right here, ergonomic details and general feeling can only be known when one has tried the camera in person. I fear it will be too small for me and awkward to use because I am left eyed but until I have tried it, there is nothing certain. And even after that, ergonomics is something really particular to one person: you like it or you don't. battery-grip will help. testers said that K-7 with grip is more comfortable than K10D and more compact.

05-13-2009, 11:29 PM	#2621
xhanatos Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Melbourne Photos: Gallery Posts: 379	If the k-7 was released 1-2 years ago, I'd complain about the size as well. But now that I have found my niche, which is street photography, I'm very pleased with K-7's size. Now I'll just wait for pentax to release a pancake 30mm f1.8.. that'd be a killer combo! k-7!k-7! k-7!k-7!k-7!k-7!k-7!k-7!k-7!k-7!k-7!

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05-13-2009, 11:31 PM	#2622
lol101 Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Garennes sur Eure France Photos: Gallery Posts: 899	Originally posted by Erik I'm absolutely amazed at all the whining about the camera not being big enough. What? If a compact, lightweight camera is that horrible, there will be a battery grip. If that's not enough, glue a brick or two to the battery grip, and if that's not enough, buy a D3 or something as Pentax is obviously just not your "thing". In the 70's, pro photographers used 35mm bodies that were all smaller than any current DSLR, and yet here we are in 2009 and cannot accept that our amorphous black plastic blob is smaller than other amorphous black plastic blobs. Again, what? Some of us choose Pentax because the cameras are small, and will not be really happy until a DSLR is at least as small as the MX. The smaller the better, with no reservations whatsoever. Some like small cameras, and some don't... ergo the one who like small cameras will rave about it and the one that don't... won't! What's so strange? I have very good reasons not to like small cameras and you probably have very good reasons to like them... I see you are quick to get the traditional "if you don't like it, shut up and leave it!" argument but tell me this: if Pentax gets out a bigger camera sometimes in the future, will you switch to Olympus or micro 4/3 quietly and without a second look?

05-13-2009, 11:50 PM	#2623
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	Originally posted by lol101 if Pentax gets out a bigger camera sometimes in the future, will you switch to Olympus or micro 4/3 quietly and without a second look? good question...

05-14-2009, 12:07 AM	#2624
Erik Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Umeå, Sweden Posts: 755	Originally posted by lol101 Some like small cameras, and some don't... ergo the one who like small cameras will rave about it and the one that don't... won't! Yeah, but you get the battery grip, though. Originally posted by lol101 What's so strange? Well, honestly, I was being a bit more inflammatory than I needed to because that's the tone expected in this thread by now ... but what's so strange is people go with Pentax and then act surprised when Pentax releases compact bodies. It's what Pentax does. Originally posted by lol101 I see you are quick to get the traditional "if you don't like it, shut up and leave it!" argument but tell me this: if Pentax gets out a bigger camera sometimes in the future, will you switch to Olympus or micro 4/3 quietly and without a second look? No, I'd keep my K100D Super, but let's say it broke down and suddenly the only Pentax models available were D3 sized -- yes, I'd go Olympus faster than you can say E-420. I would miss my K glass, but honestly, no way in flaming hell am I carrying that sort of crap around.

05-14-2009, 12:24 AM	#2625
Yohan Pamudji Inactive Account Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Mississippi Posts: 184	Originally posted by illdefined Wonderful. I really hope you're right ogl, it could make all this inflated hype worth it. Pentax already has me with me with the K-7. I want it to get others too though, people outside of Pentax. Yvon Borque at PENTAX DSLRs claims that "Other DSLRs will have to play catch-up" and the general buzz from people who have seen the real specs seems to be genuine excitement. All we laymen have now is rumored specs. Let's see what the real specs are and what this supposedly amazing new feature is that will leave other DSLRs in the dust. Even if it only has the oft-repeated rumored specs I would consider it a great camera, and the fact that it packs all of that into such a compact frame is in its own way revolutionary. Nobody else is doing it. At the very least it's unique, which is something Pentax definitely need to emphasize and use to their advantage.