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Caat · 05-18-2009, 03:58 AM

Originally posted by doraMZS

AFAIK camera manufacturers often use words like 'almost' or 'approx' when mentioning 100% viewfinder because no camera has 'precise' 100% viewfinder.

See here : Nikon | Imaging Products | Nikon D3

Ah I see. Thanks

Caat · 05-18-2009, 03:59 AM

Originally posted by watchthewaves

I take the Chinese word to mean "approximately" or "about" more than "almost". If you notice, its the same word they also use to state that the sensor is 14.6MP.

Makes sense. So we are talking about a 100% viewfinder for all intents and purposes then.

robjmitchell · 05-18-2009, 03:59 AM

SR button bottom front. That will make people happy!

soccerjoe5 · 05-18-2009, 04:00 AM

Originally posted by robjmitchell

SR button bottom front. That will make people happy!

I believe that's the lens release button

ddhytz · 05-18-2009, 04:03 AM

Originally posted by ogl

There are 2 versions of specification of K-7. Funny...There is difference.
One has 1/180 x-sync, second - 1/250. For example.

Where did you get that 1/250? It is 1/180.

**rparmar** · 05-18-2009, 04:05 AM

Originally posted by er1kksen

Folks, could we read any replies a post has before we leave a reply ourselves?

Actually, that's not always possible. By the time I reply sometimes a page of other responses have been added. We may as well be on IM!

**rparmar** · 05-18-2009, 04:07 AM

Originally posted by Caat

Looks like the 77mm to me.

I guess they pictured it with that because it is a good looking lens - although they could equally have used the 35mm Macro ltd or one of the other DAs.

I think they chose the FA77 because everyone should have one on their camera.

kolouch · 05-18-2009, 04:16 AM

I guess, that it's not important if there it is FA77 .. it's about new K-7 body ..

Turo · 05-18-2009, 04:18 AM

Where is the big surprise?

These specs can be found in any other camera manufacturer...

Originally posted by rparmar

I think they chose the FA77 because everyone should have one on their camera.

May be they are using the old FA77 because you need a FF lens to use the new feature, a sensor that can be shifted...

(may be I am expecting too much)

Philippos · 05-18-2009, 04:26 AM

Originally posted by codiac2600

What you guys are misreading is Hz and FPS.

Actually there's a much greater connection than you think. You see, when television was not yet digital, the system(s) used the electric current frequency to synchronise. The frequency is 60Hz (110V) for the US and 50Hz(220V) for Europe. Therefore we have 60 FIELDS (not FRAMES) per second for NTSC (60HZ), and 50 fields per second for PAL/SECAM (50Hz). The FIELD is actually half a frame with each field containg the even or odd lines of a frame only. Two consecutive fields make a FRAME - although in no interlaced system is a complete frame ever projected. The technique was effective and is still in use, but it produces many artifacts, mostly the famous "zebra" artifact and of course flickering.
Progressive systems do show the entire frame at once, hence the talk about 1080p frames per second.

The flicker frequency of you monitor or refresh rate as some call it, with modern technology displays is rather obsolete (pixels in TFT do not have to flicker) and applicable only to displays that actually have yet analog inputs (all TVs, most PC monitors). What it has become to mean is how many frames can your monitor display every second (again no flickering).
When all video becomes digital, monitor refresh rates will eventually be abandoned and replaced by actual fps.

mattdm · 05-18-2009, 04:27 AM

Originally posted by Turo

May be they are using the old FA77 because you need a FF lens to use the new feature, a sensor that can be shifted...

(may be I am expecting too much)

Seriously, I think you're setting yourself up for disappointment. Can't it just be a really nice well-spec'd camera without some weird new feature of questionable utility?

JorgeDeSilva · 05-18-2009, 04:29 AM

i'm confused again... in chinesse forum they talk abou crop 1.3x ... aps-h!!! so better use of FA lens...

Dams2One · 05-18-2009, 04:30 AM

Originally posted by ddhytz

Where did you get that 1/250? It is 1/180.

I wrote that few pages before and i'm keep telling that. That's 1/250 sync.
I'm 150% sure about that. Maybe we can bet.

Asahiflex · 05-18-2009, 04:32 AM

Originally posted by JorgeDeSilva

i'm confused again... in chinesse forum they talk abou crop 1.3x ... aps-h!!! so better use of FA lens...

Utter bullshit

ogl · 05-18-2009, 04:37 AM

New lens roadmap will be announced too. At least 3-4 new lenses.

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05-18-2009, 03:58 AM	#3226
Caat Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: United Kingdom Photos: Albums Posts: 927	Originally posted by doraMZS AFAIK camera manufacturers often use words like 'almost' or 'approx' when mentioning 100% viewfinder because no camera has 'precise' 100% viewfinder. See here : Nikon \| Imaging Products \| Nikon D3 Ah I see. Thanks

05-18-2009, 03:59 AM	#3227
Caat Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: United Kingdom Photos: Albums Posts: 927	Originally posted by watchthewaves I take the Chinese word to mean "approximately" or "about" more than "almost". If you notice, its the same word they also use to state that the sensor is 14.6MP. Makes sense. So we are talking about a 100% viewfinder for all intents and purposes then.

05-18-2009, 03:59 AM	#3228
robjmitchell Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Melbourne Aus Posts: 1,776	SR button bottom front. That will make people happy!

05-18-2009, 04:00 AM	#3229
soccerjoe5 Veteran Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Philippines Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,343	Originally posted by robjmitchell SR button bottom front. That will make people happy! I believe that's the lens release button

05-18-2009, 04:03 AM	#3230
ddhytz Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Melbourne Posts: 602	Originally posted by ogl There are 2 versions of specification of K-7. Funny...There is difference. One has 1/180 x-sync, second - 1/250. For example. Where did you get that 1/250? It is 1/180.

05-18-2009, 04:05 AM	#3231
rparmar Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2008 Photos: Gallery Posts: 8,823	Originally posted by er1kksen Folks, could we read any replies a post has before we leave a reply ourselves? Actually, that's not always possible. By the time I reply sometimes a page of other responses have been added. We may as well be on IM!

05-18-2009, 04:07 AM	#3232
rparmar Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2008 Photos: Gallery Posts: 8,823	Originally posted by Caat Looks like the 77mm to me. I guess they pictured it with that because it is a good looking lens - although they could equally have used the 35mm Macro ltd or one of the other DAs. I think they chose the FA77 because everyone should have one on their camera.

05-18-2009, 04:16 AM	#3233
kolouch Forum Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Czech Republic, Ostrava Posts: 90	I guess, that it's not important if there it is FA77 .. it's about new K-7 body ..

05-18-2009, 04:18 AM	#3234
Turo Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Chengdu Posts: 31	Where is the big surprise? These specs can be found in any other camera manufacturer... Originally posted by rparmar I think they chose the FA77 because everyone should have one on their camera. May be they are using the old FA77 because you need a FF lens to use the new feature, a sensor that can be shifted... (may be I am expecting too much)

05-18-2009, 04:26 AM	#3235
Philippos Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Volos - Greece Posts: 178	Originally posted by codiac2600 What you guys are misreading is Hz and FPS. Actually there's a much greater connection than you think. You see, when television was not yet digital, the system(s) used the electric current frequency to synchronise. The frequency is 60Hz (110V) for the US and 50Hz(220V) for Europe. Therefore we have 60 FIELDS (not FRAMES) per second for NTSC (60HZ), and 50 fields per second for PAL/SECAM (50Hz). The FIELD is actually half a frame with each field containg the even or odd lines of a frame only. Two consecutive fields make a FRAME - although in no interlaced system is a complete frame ever projected. The technique was effective and is still in use, but it produces many artifacts, mostly the famous "zebra" artifact and of course flickering. Progressive systems do show the entire frame at once, hence the talk about 1080p frames per second. The flicker frequency of you monitor or refresh rate as some call it, with modern technology displays is rather obsolete (pixels in TFT do not have to flicker) and applicable only to displays that actually have yet analog inputs (all TVs, most PC monitors). What it has become to mean is how many frames can your monitor display every second (again no flickering). When all video becomes digital, monitor refresh rates will eventually be abandoned and replaced by actual fps.

05-18-2009, 04:27 AM	#3236
mattdm Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Boston, MA Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,948	Originally posted by Turo May be they are using the old FA77 because you need a FF lens to use the new feature, a sensor that can be shifted... (may be I am expecting too much) Seriously, I think you're setting yourself up for disappointment. Can't it just be a really nice well-spec'd camera without some weird new feature of questionable utility?

05-18-2009, 04:29 AM	#3237
JorgeDeSilva Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Switzerland \| Portugal Posts: 77	i'm confused again... in chinesse forum they talk abou crop 1.3x ... aps-h!!! so better use of FA lens...

05-18-2009, 04:30 AM	#3238
Dams2One New Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Caen (France) Posts: 22	Originally posted by ddhytz Where did you get that 1/250? It is 1/180. I wrote that few pages before and i'm keep telling that. That's 1/250 sync. I'm 150% sure about that. Maybe we can bet.

05-18-2009, 04:32 AM	#3239
Asahiflex Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Netherlands Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,795	Originally posted by JorgeDeSilva i'm confused again... in chinesse forum they talk abou crop 1.3x ... aps-h!!! so better use of FA lens... Utter bullshit

05-18-2009, 04:37 AM	#3240
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	New lens roadmap will be announced too. At least 3-4 new lenses.

is this pic of K30D?

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