is this pic of K30D?

ryan s · 05-19-2009, 09:56 AM

Originally posted by mysterick

and it could be like Hotel California, you can't check out!

Originally posted by heliphoto

More pedantry: I believe you can check out any time you like, but you can never leave

...

Nice!

About the rant forum: We are all just prisoners here...of our own device

Originally posted by Votesh

I'm getting a nice feeling in my Yingwu as we speak. The K-7 may have just entered my shopping list. Hopefully it's around $1200 at release.

I LOL'd

Originally posted by dave sz

anyone else find it hilarious that earlier in this thread OGL said there is no 1080 video(page 104). Yet in the thread above he sneaks in and says "Final version of video modes"? Even funnier is that it's the output of the HDMI to a TV/monitor and not the video resolution itself, like he has no clue about this camera. Funny stuff...

He knows as much as the rest of us. Like me...he waits for bits of info from others to make his claims. Difference is...I don't make it sound like I have an "inside man" or anything...just that some rumors are easily confirmed and some stay ambiguous. I'm OK with saying "I'm not sure about this or that"

Originally posted by Erik

YES. Thank you. Thank you.

AF Assist will most likely be through the on-board flash. That's where my money lies

ryan s · 05-19-2009, 09:58 AM

Originally posted by Mats

Are there any images of the K-7 with the flash lifted?
Would be interesting to see if the AF assist lamp (led) is in the flash.
Another thing that is unclear to me is where the built in mic are placed? could that also be on the flash assembly? Maybe a way of decoupling it from AF motor vibrations?

/Mats

A few pages back

Since I'm nice https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/601159-post3404.html

I'm guessing the mic is on the flash "hump"...see the second pic in that post? That little hole should be the mic...

Mats · 05-19-2009, 10:03 AM

Originally posted by ryan s

A few pages back

Since I'm nice https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/601159-post3404.html

I'm guessing the mic is on the flash "hump"...see the second pic in that post? That little hole should be the mic...

Thanks,
Missed that.
/Mats

Robert S Donovan · 05-19-2009, 10:05 AM

Originally posted by and

Will be sad to see this thread quiet down after the official specs come out

looks like it will end at around 3500, not a bad record that

Looks like your guess might have been a bit conservative

Robert S Donovan · 05-19-2009, 10:06 AM

See what I mean?

janneman · 05-19-2009, 10:06 AM

Originally posted by Robert S Donovan

My only complaint about FF VFs is not being able to see the info bar in certain situatons. It can be like sitting on the front row of the movie theater. You have to really look around. FF does make focus and compasition much easier as well as giving a more realistic sense of DoF. Of course, anyone who has ever peered through a tiny Olympus 4/3 viewfinder will instantly recognize that bigger is better!

Oh, that rules me out for FF, I use the in-VF information a lot.

But a 1.0x 100% VF, wouldn't that be bigger that the camera itsself, or at least look very weird?

dave sz · 05-19-2009, 10:08 AM

Originally posted by ryan s

AF Assist will most likely be through the on-board flash. That's where my money lies

so then what happens when you have a flash on the hot shoe? No AF assist?

Last edited by dave sz; 05-19-2009 at 10:25 AM.

hinman · 05-19-2009, 10:17 AM

I have been watching this thread and my hope is high on one single thing in Pentax. It is not the body, not the new features, not the frame rate, not the video, not the size, not the buttons, not even the viewfinder.

I care most about the AF performance. I care more about how responsive the AF work as compared to the current models as in K10D and K20D. Falconeye posted an article rating the performance of Pentax being the least performance among others in terms of AF.C performance

https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-news-rumors/25521-magazine-review-...good-info.html

It is something I truly hope Pentax delivers this time.

Thanks,
Hin

ryan s · 05-19-2009, 10:23 AM

Originally posted by dave sz

so then what happens when you have a flsh on he hot shoe? No AF assist?

My guess: It will use the onboard flash as long as it's the 360/540. Don't they already do the pre-flash thing? I don't own one...

Priyantha Bleeker · 05-19-2009, 10:30 AM

Originally posted by ryan s

My guess: It will use the onboard flash as long as it's the 360/540. Don't they already do the pre-flash thing? I don't own one...

They have a working AF assist beam(red), which is working okay, aka it is needed to focus in the dark. Without the AF assist beam there is no working AF.

Art Vandelay II · 05-19-2009, 10:31 AM

Originally posted by janneman

Oh, that rules me out for FF, I use the in-VF information a lot.

But a 1.0x 100% VF, wouldn't that be bigger that the camera itsself, or at least look very weird?

I wouldn't be too worried about it, I don't have a problem viewing the info bar personally. And nope, the Olympus E-3 has a 1.15x and 100% view finder. It is quite a hump, but I actually like seeing large humps like the Sony A900 has. It lets me know that there is a serious piece of glass in there. Function over form for me on that front. They could always do away with the on board flash if the hump got too large though. I haven't popped my on board flash up on my Nikon in months. I think an on-board flash is a worthless addition if you have an AF assist lamp and primarily use wireless triggers.

ryan s · 05-19-2009, 10:41 AM

Originally posted by Priyantha Bleeker

They have a working AF assist beam(red), which is working okay, aka it is needed to focus in the dark. Without the AF assist beam there is no working AF.

Ahhh...thank you

nosnoop · 05-19-2009, 10:43 AM

Originally posted by Art Vandelay II

I think an on-board flash is a worthless addition if you have an AF assist lamp and primarily use wireless triggers.

I use the on board flash as a wireless trigger!
It is a critical piece of equipment for me. I will never buy a camera without a built-in flash.

nosnoop · 05-19-2009, 10:45 AM

Originally posted by ryan s

AF Assist will most likely be through the on-board flash. That's where my money lies

But the AF assist light is clearly visible next to the battery grip!

**ManuH** · 05-19-2009, 10:45 AM

Originally posted by Robert S Donovan

My only complaint about FF VFs is not being able to see the info bar in certain situatons. It can be like sitting on the front row of the movie theater. You have to really look around. FF does make focus and compasition much easier as well as giving a more realistic sense of DoF. Of course, anyone who has ever peered through a tiny Olympus 4/3 viewfinder will instantly recognize that bigger is better!

Another problem with FF VF is for AF. The AF points are all in the center even on the Nikon D3 51-points AF. The Pentax APS-C AF sensors placement is much more useful for off-center compositions.

Speaking of AF, the big unknown about the K-7 will be AF-C performance.

05-19-2009, 10:17 AM	#3503
hinman Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Fremont, CA Photos: Albums Posts: 3,473	I have been watching this thread and my hope is high on one single thing in Pentax. It is not the body, not the new features, not the frame rate, not the video, not the size, not the buttons, not even the viewfinder. I care most about the AF performance. I care more about how responsive the AF work as compared to the current models as in K10D and K20D. Falconeye posted an article rating the performance of Pentax being the least performance among others in terms of AF.C performance https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-news-rumors/25521-magazine-review-...good-info.html It is something I truly hope Pentax delivers this time. Thanks, Hin Last edited by hinman; 05-19-2009 at 10:26 AM.

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05-19-2009, 09:56 AM	#3496
ryan s Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Madison, WI Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,383	Originally posted by mysterick and it could be like Hotel California, you can't check out! Originally posted by heliphoto More pedantry: I believe you can check out any time you like, but you can never leave ... Nice! About the rant forum: We are all just prisoners here...of our own device Originally posted by Votesh I'm getting a nice feeling in my Yingwu as we speak. The K-7 may have just entered my shopping list. Hopefully it's around $1200 at release. I LOL'd Originally posted by dave sz anyone else find it hilarious that earlier in this thread OGL said there is no 1080 video(page 104). Yet in the thread above he sneaks in and says "Final version of video modes"? Even funnier is that it's the output of the HDMI to a TV/monitor and not the video resolution itself, like he has no clue about this camera. Funny stuff... He knows as much as the rest of us. Like me...he waits for bits of info from others to make his claims. Difference is...I don't make it sound like I have an "inside man" or anything...just that some rumors are easily confirmed and some stay ambiguous. I'm OK with saying "I'm not sure about this or that" Originally posted by Erik YES. Thank you. Thank you. AF Assist will most likely be through the on-board flash. That's where my money lies

05-19-2009, 09:58 AM	#3497
ryan s Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Madison, WI Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,383	Originally posted by Mats Are there any images of the K-7 with the flash lifted? Would be interesting to see if the AF assist lamp (led) is in the flash. Another thing that is unclear to me is where the built in mic are placed? could that also be on the flash assembly? Maybe a way of decoupling it from AF motor vibrations? /Mats A few pages back Since I'm nice https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/601159-post3404.html I'm guessing the mic is on the flash "hump"...see the second pic in that post? That little hole should be the mic...

05-19-2009, 10:03 AM	#3498
Mats Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sweden Posts: 60	Originally posted by ryan s A few pages back Since I'm nice https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/601159-post3404.html I'm guessing the mic is on the flash "hump"...see the second pic in that post? That little hole should be the mic... Thanks, Missed that. /Mats

05-19-2009, 10:05 AM	#3499
Robert S Donovan Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Anderson, SC Photos: Gallery Posts: 361	Originally posted by and Will be sad to see this thread quiet down after the official specs come out looks like it will end at around 3500, not a bad record that Looks like your guess might have been a bit conservative

05-19-2009, 10:06 AM	#3500
Robert S Donovan Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Anderson, SC Photos: Gallery Posts: 361	See what I mean?

05-19-2009, 10:06 AM	#3501
janneman Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Netherlands Photos: Gallery Posts: 908	Originally posted by Robert S Donovan My only complaint about FF VFs is not being able to see the info bar in certain situatons. It can be like sitting on the front row of the movie theater. You have to really look around. FF does make focus and compasition much easier as well as giving a more realistic sense of DoF. Of course, anyone who has ever peered through a tiny Olympus 4/3 viewfinder will instantly recognize that bigger is better! Oh, that rules me out for FF, I use the in-VF information a lot. But a 1.0x 100% VF, wouldn't that be bigger that the camera itsself, or at least look very weird?

05-19-2009, 10:08 AM	#3502
dave sz Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: carpentersville, IL Posts: 693	Originally posted by ryan s AF Assist will most likely be through the on-board flash. That's where my money lies so then what happens when you have a flash on the hot shoe? No AF assist? Last edited by dave sz; 05-19-2009 at 10:25 AM.

05-19-2009, 10:23 AM	#3504
ryan s Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Madison, WI Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,383	Originally posted by dave sz so then what happens when you have a flsh on he hot shoe? No AF assist? My guess: It will use the onboard flash as long as it's the 360/540. Don't they already do the pre-flash thing? I don't own one...

05-19-2009, 10:30 AM	#3505
Priyantha Bleeker Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Amsterdam Posts: 190	Originally posted by ryan s My guess: It will use the onboard flash as long as it's the 360/540. Don't they already do the pre-flash thing? I don't own one... They have a working AF assist beam(red), which is working okay, aka it is needed to focus in the dark. Without the AF assist beam there is no working AF.

05-19-2009, 10:31 AM	#3506
Art Vandelay II Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Charlotte, NC Photos: Gallery Posts: 886	Originally posted by janneman Oh, that rules me out for FF, I use the in-VF information a lot. But a 1.0x 100% VF, wouldn't that be bigger that the camera itsself, or at least look very weird? I wouldn't be too worried about it, I don't have a problem viewing the info bar personally. And nope, the Olympus E-3 has a 1.15x and 100% view finder. It is quite a hump, but I actually like seeing large humps like the Sony A900 has. It lets me know that there is a serious piece of glass in there. Function over form for me on that front. They could always do away with the on board flash if the hump got too large though. I haven't popped my on board flash up on my Nikon in months. I think an on-board flash is a worthless addition if you have an AF assist lamp and primarily use wireless triggers.

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05-19-2009, 10:41 AM	#3507
ryan s Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Madison, WI Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,383	Originally posted by Priyantha Bleeker They have a working AF assist beam(red), which is working okay, aka it is needed to focus in the dark. Without the AF assist beam there is no working AF. Ahhh...thank you

05-19-2009, 10:43 AM	#3508
nosnoop Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 1,299	Originally posted by Art Vandelay II I think an on-board flash is a worthless addition if you have an AF assist lamp and primarily use wireless triggers. I use the on board flash as a wireless trigger! It is a critical piece of equipment for me. I will never buy a camera without a built-in flash.

05-19-2009, 10:45 AM	#3509
nosnoop Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 1,299	Originally posted by ryan s AF Assist will most likely be through the on-board flash. That's where my money lies But the AF assist light is clearly visible next to the battery grip!

05-19-2009, 10:45 AM	#3510
ManuH Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Montreal Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,249	Originally posted by Robert S Donovan My only complaint about FF VFs is not being able to see the info bar in certain situatons. It can be like sitting on the front row of the movie theater. You have to really look around. FF does make focus and compasition much easier as well as giving a more realistic sense of DoF. Of course, anyone who has ever peered through a tiny Olympus 4/3 viewfinder will instantly recognize that bigger is better! Another problem with FF VF is for AF. The AF points are all in the center even on the Nikon D3 51-points AF. The Pentax APS-C AF sensors placement is much more useful for off-center compositions. Speaking of AF, the big unknown about the K-7 will be AF-C performance.