The name of the new Pentax body is...

RBellavance · 04-21-2009, 02:33 PM

Originally posted by thibs

If true or nearly, I buy it ASAP to replace my K10D.

I will do the same. Well, not technically "replace" since I intend to keep my K10D...

pm42 · 04-21-2009, 02:46 PM

Originally posted by emr

pm42, there are several topics here discussing the new camera and that store has been mentioned.

"HD video". Any idea what kind of?

Sorry, I did not read them all. No idea of what kind of video support it will be as I'm not the source of the infos.

One last thing: the K7, should he exists and meet the specs above is also supposed to be very compact, more than a K20D, something in the spirit of the "Limited" lenses.

Caat · 04-21-2009, 04:04 PM

Originally posted by pm42

On another forum, someone claiming having them from Pentax posted the following specs:

Name: K7
Same sensor as the K20D
Up to 6400 ISO with better noise treatment
5 images/sec
100 % viewfinder
Better weatherproofing
Mirror lockup
Liveview and HD Video
Better stabilizer .
Better DRE mode
77 zones light metering
Much better AF system even with non-SDM lenses
3 inches/ 920 000 pixels screen with in-body editing (crop...)
1/8000 shutter with 1/250 sync
Very agressive pricing, less than 1500€ with the kit lens

Please do not shoot the messenger. We'll see if it's true shortly I guess.

I think that is believable and not too outlandish at all.

In terms of video I would expect 720p. I suppose that 1080p is possible but a lot less likely.

Now the question is what is this new lens line Pentax was talking about and will we see a new kit lens?

**ManuH** · 04-21-2009, 04:22 PM

Originally posted by Caat

In terms of video I would expect 720p. I suppose that 1080p is possible but a lot less likely.

Now the question is what is this new lens line Pentax was talking about and will we see a new kit lens?

Let's hope they have something a better for the kit lens. I mean something that can compete with the Nikkor 18-105. The new Tokina 16.5-135 would be a tremendous kit lens, but I doubt it. Maybe the 17-70/4 but it's a bit expensive for a kit lens. They also really need a weathersealed kit lens.

HD video I don't care too much. I'm okay with a video mode, can be useful at times but anything is better than nothing. 720p would be OK. Let's hope it's a bit better than the D90 though.

Originally posted by Caat

I will do the same. Well, not technically "replace" since I intend to keep my K10D...

Yep that would be a real upgrade. The K20D was good but there was nothing really that much better than the K10D (unless you got one of the lemons, my K10D was and still is very good).

vinzer · 04-21-2009, 05:00 PM

Originally posted by pm42

On another forum, someone claiming having them from Pentax posted the following specs:

Name: K7
Same sensor as the K20D
Up to 6400 ISO with better noise treatment
5 images/sec
100 % viewfinder
Better weatherproofing
Mirror lockup
Liveview and HD Video
Better stabilizer .
Better DRE mode
77 zones light metering
Much better AF system even with non-SDM lenses
3 inches/ 920 000 pixels screen with in-body editing (crop...)
1/8000 shutter with 1/250 sync
Very agressive pricing, less than 1500€ with the kit lens

Please do not shoot the messenger. We'll see if it's true shortly I guess.

Sounds good. I probably won't be an early adopter, but I am interested in getting this one over time. What I needed to see are there: better stabilizer, better noise treatment, much better AF system, better viewfinder. The rest are gravy.

I really don't mind much if the HD video is 720p or 1080p. I suspect it still won't have AF during video mode anyway, so it'll have limited use to an admittedly non-videographer like me. If they can get it to 1080p at 60fps, though, kudos to them.

**rparmar** · 04-21-2009, 05:20 PM

Originally posted by ManuH

Let's hope they have something a better for the kit lens.

Isn't it the best in the business? Doubly best at the price? They just upgraded it and made an L version; I don't see them releasing a fourth version any time soon.

Those that want something better can buy the body bundled with the DA16-45, as it is pictured in many promo shots. Keeping the price of the kit package low is better than forcing people to pay more for a better lens they likely don't want anyway. Some might prefer the DA17-70, some might prefer a fixed prime... isn't variety what SLRs are all about?

ajuett · 04-21-2009, 05:26 PM

Look at any camera forum and they will say "our kit lens is the best". I'd say that is true, they are about as good as each other and they do what they are suppose to.

huqedato · 04-21-2009, 05:37 PM

Fresh from a Pentax French dealer/reseller:
it's about K7 (without "D"), it's from the same line as K20D and not a "pro" camera (as the expected K2D). It's not a FF. It has almost the same specifications as K20D. What's new: the look concept, video HD and improvements from K20D (many and consistent). The same Safox VII focus system, but "improved towards stability (?) and accuracy", but not in terms of speed.

A pro DSLR camera line is to be expected in 2010-2011, but not a word about the sensor size.

**ManuH** · 04-21-2009, 05:38 PM

Originally posted by rparmar

Isn't it the best in the business? Doubly best at the price? They just upgraded it and made an L version; I don't see them releasing a fourth version any time soon.

The 18-55 II is very good, I like it in its the DA L incarnation. But a good 18-105 like the Nikkor would be a more desirable range for an upmarket model.

mattdm · 04-21-2009, 06:08 PM

Originally posted by huqedato

it's about K7 (without "D"), it's from the same line as K20D and not a "pro" camera (as the expected K2D). It's not a FF. It has almost the same specifications as K20D. What's new: the look concept, video HD and improvements from K20D (many and consistent). The same Safox VII focus system, but "improved towards stability (?) and accuracy", but not in terms of speed.

Sounds good to me. I'd love a magical revolution, but I'm very, very happy to have things moving in the same direction as the K10D → K20D → next.

glanglois · 04-21-2009, 07:48 PM

Hard to believe that fps and noise are greatly improved on the same sensor as K20D. But then, I'm not an electronics engineer. Others may chip in (and, I hope, will).

If low-light/yellow-light AF stays at K20D performance (and therefore goes backwards from K2K performance), the aliens are welcome. They'll provide a diversion whilst I pound my head against my garden wall.

deejjjaaaa · 04-21-2009, 07:50 PM

Originally posted by ManuH

Why not? 1/8000 and 1/250 sync are rather standard on top-level bodies (40D, 50D, A700, E-3, D300). Nothing out of the ordinary.

77 zones metering: Why not? I believe the 16-segments is as old as the first *ist D. It's about time for an upgrade.

because I do not think that there were as many complaints about Pentax cameras not having 1/8000 and 1/250 as some other issues... and to have that done Pentax needs a little bit more expensive electromechanical part(s)... and once there is something w/ "mechanical" in the name vs just "electronic" it costs $ nowadays, even those parameters are nowhere exotic... $ here $ there adds to the cost and Pentax I think will have only so many new things done in a new camera at once - new sensor w/ faster readout, allowing some kind of HD video and more fps/more raws|jpegs taken in a burst (plus more RAM to keep that), may be better high ISO performance - that will already be good enough - add a new body, may be something about viewfinder, better LCD screen and that's it - most of consumers and popular review sites will notice and report that and not 1/4000 + 1/180 plus old 16 zones metering...

dafiryde · 04-21-2009, 10:06 PM

Originally posted by zipser

K7D.

Embargo on the news has been started, but the specs will be available soon :-)

it will be
Pentax KETUW

Dave

pm42 · 04-21-2009, 10:26 PM

Originally posted by huqedato

Fresh from a Pentax French dealer/reseller:
it's about K7 (without "D"), it's from the same line as K20D and not a "pro" camera (as the expected K2D). It's not a FF. It has almost the same specifications as K20D. What's new: the look concept, video HD and improvements from K20D (many and consistent). The same Safox VII focus system, but "improved towards stability (?) and accuracy", but not in terms of speed.

Sounds quite plausible too because the cost of developping such a body would be low: different cosmetics/some software to support video and give better AF...

On the other hand, it would also be somewhat sad because it is just an incremental evolution like Canon does often and I'm afraid it would not increase the attractivness of the offer up to the point it deserves.

KungPOW · 04-21-2009, 10:36 PM

Originally posted by huqedato

Fresh from a Pentax French dealer/reseller:
it's about K7 (without "D"), it's from the same line as K20D and not a "pro" camera (as the expected K2D). It's not a FF. It has almost the same specifications as K20D. What's new: the look concept, video HD and improvements from K20D (many and consistent). The same Safox VII focus system, but "improved towards stability (?) and accuracy", but not in terms of speed.

A pro DSLR camera line is to be expected in 2010-2011, but not a word about the sensor size.

I really hope that what you heard is wrong.

I don't want a K20D in a new body, but now with video.

I can't be the only one here that is looking at this camera to decide if Pentax is the system I want to spend my cash on.

Common Pentax...help keep me as a fanboy.

04-21-2009, 10:06 PM	#58
dafiryde Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Trinidad and Tobago Posts: 419	Originally posted by zipser K7D. Embargo on the news has been started, but the specs will be available soon :-) it will be Pentax KETUW Dave Last edited by dafiryde; 04-21-2009 at 10:37 PM.

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04-21-2009, 02:33 PM	#46
RBellavance Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Near Montréal, Canada Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,716	Originally posted by thibs If true or nearly, I buy it ASAP to replace my K10D. I will do the same. Well, not technically "replace" since I intend to keep my K10D...

04-21-2009, 02:46 PM	#47
pm42 New Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Paris, France Posts: 5	Originally posted by emr pm42, there are several topics here discussing the new camera and that store has been mentioned. "HD video". Any idea what kind of? Sorry, I did not read them all. No idea of what kind of video support it will be as I'm not the source of the infos. One last thing: the K7, should he exists and meet the specs above is also supposed to be very compact, more than a K20D, something in the spirit of the "Limited" lenses.

04-21-2009, 04:04 PM	#48
Caat Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: United Kingdom Photos: Albums Posts: 927	Originally posted by pm42 On another forum, someone claiming having them from Pentax posted the following specs: Name: K7 Same sensor as the K20D Up to 6400 ISO with better noise treatment 5 images/sec 100 % viewfinder Better weatherproofing Mirror lockup Liveview and HD Video Better stabilizer . Better DRE mode 77 zones light metering Much better AF system even with non-SDM lenses 3 inches/ 920 000 pixels screen with in-body editing (crop...) 1/8000 shutter with 1/250 sync Very agressive pricing, less than 1500€ with the kit lens Please do not shoot the messenger. We'll see if it's true shortly I guess. I think that is believable and not too outlandish at all. In terms of video I would expect 720p. I suppose that 1080p is possible but a lot less likely. Now the question is what is this new lens line Pentax was talking about and will we see a new kit lens?

04-21-2009, 04:22 PM	#49
ManuH Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Montreal Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,249	Originally posted by Caat In terms of video I would expect 720p. I suppose that 1080p is possible but a lot less likely. Now the question is what is this new lens line Pentax was talking about and will we see a new kit lens? Let's hope they have something a better for the kit lens. I mean something that can compete with the Nikkor 18-105. The new Tokina 16.5-135 would be a tremendous kit lens, but I doubt it. Maybe the 17-70/4 but it's a bit expensive for a kit lens. They also really need a weathersealed kit lens. HD video I don't care too much. I'm okay with a video mode, can be useful at times but anything is better than nothing. 720p would be OK. Let's hope it's a bit better than the D90 though. Originally posted by Caat I will do the same. Well, not technically "replace" since I intend to keep my K10D... Yep that would be a real upgrade. The K20D was good but there was nothing really that much better than the K10D (unless you got one of the lemons, my K10D was and still is very good).

04-21-2009, 05:00 PM	#50
vinzer Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Philippines Posts: 1,399	Originally posted by pm42 On another forum, someone claiming having them from Pentax posted the following specs: Name: K7 Same sensor as the K20D Up to 6400 ISO with better noise treatment 5 images/sec 100 % viewfinder Better weatherproofing Mirror lockup Liveview and HD Video Better stabilizer . Better DRE mode 77 zones light metering Much better AF system even with non-SDM lenses 3 inches/ 920 000 pixels screen with in-body editing (crop...) 1/8000 shutter with 1/250 sync Very agressive pricing, less than 1500€ with the kit lens Please do not shoot the messenger. We'll see if it's true shortly I guess. Sounds good. I probably won't be an early adopter, but I am interested in getting this one over time. What I needed to see are there: better stabilizer, better noise treatment, much better AF system, better viewfinder. The rest are gravy. I really don't mind much if the HD video is 720p or 1080p. I suspect it still won't have AF during video mode anyway, so it'll have limited use to an admittedly non-videographer like me. If they can get it to 1080p at 60fps, though, kudos to them.

04-21-2009, 05:20 PM	#51
rparmar Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2008 Photos: Gallery Posts: 8,819	Originally posted by ManuH Let's hope they have something a better for the kit lens. Isn't it the best in the business? Doubly best at the price? They just upgraded it and made an L version; I don't see them releasing a fourth version any time soon. Those that want something better can buy the body bundled with the DA16-45, as it is pictured in many promo shots. Keeping the price of the kit package low is better than forcing people to pay more for a better lens they likely don't want anyway. Some might prefer the DA17-70, some might prefer a fixed prime... isn't variety what SLRs are all about?

04-21-2009, 05:26 PM	#52
ajuett Inactive Account Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Vancouver, Canada Posts: 1,100	Look at any camera forum and they will say "our kit lens is the best". I'd say that is true, they are about as good as each other and they do what they are suppose to.

04-21-2009, 05:37 PM	#53
huqedato Inactive Account Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: France, EU Posts: 97	Fresh from a Pentax French dealer/reseller: it's about K7 (without "D"), it's from the same line as K20D and not a "pro" camera (as the expected K2D). It's not a FF. It has almost the same specifications as K20D. What's new: the look concept, video HD and improvements from K20D (many and consistent). The same Safox VII focus system, but "improved towards stability (?) and accuracy", but not in terms of speed. A pro DSLR camera line is to be expected in 2010-2011, but not a word about the sensor size.

04-21-2009, 05:38 PM	#54
ManuH Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Montreal Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,249	Originally posted by rparmar Isn't it the best in the business? Doubly best at the price? They just upgraded it and made an L version; I don't see them releasing a fourth version any time soon. The 18-55 II is very good, I like it in its the DA L incarnation. But a good 18-105 like the Nikkor would be a more desirable range for an upmarket model.

04-21-2009, 06:08 PM	#55
mattdm Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Boston, MA Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,948	Originally posted by huqedato it's about K7 (without "D"), it's from the same line as K20D and not a "pro" camera (as the expected K2D). It's not a FF. It has almost the same specifications as K20D. What's new: the look concept, video HD and improvements from K20D (many and consistent). The same Safox VII focus system, but "improved towards stability (?) and accuracy", but not in terms of speed. Sounds good to me. I'd love a magical revolution, but I'm very, very happy to have things moving in the same direction as the K10D → K20D → next.

04-21-2009, 07:48 PM	#56
glanglois Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Madison, Wis., USA Posts: 1,506	Hard to believe that fps and noise are greatly improved on the same sensor as K20D. But then, I'm not an electronics engineer. Others may chip in (and, I hope, will). If low-light/yellow-light AF stays at K20D performance (and therefore goes backwards from K2K performance), the aliens are welcome. They'll provide a diversion whilst I pound my head against my garden wall.

04-21-2009, 07:50 PM	#57
deejjjaaaa Veteran Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: steel city / rust belt Posts: 2,043	Originally posted by ManuH Why not? 1/8000 and 1/250 sync are rather standard on top-level bodies (40D, 50D, A700, E-3, D300). Nothing out of the ordinary. 77 zones metering: Why not? I believe the 16-segments is as old as the first *ist D. It's about time for an upgrade. because I do not think that there were as many complaints about Pentax cameras not having 1/8000 and 1/250 as some other issues... and to have that done Pentax needs a little bit more expensive electromechanical part(s)... and once there is something w/ "mechanical" in the name vs just "electronic" it costs $ nowadays, even those parameters are nowhere exotic... $ here $ there adds to the cost and Pentax I think will have only so many new things done in a new camera at once - new sensor w/ faster readout, allowing some kind of HD video and more fps/more raws\|jpegs taken in a burst (plus more RAM to keep that), may be better high ISO performance - that will already be good enough - add a new body, may be something about viewfinder, better LCD screen and that's it - most of consumers and popular review sites will notice and report that and not 1/4000 + 1/180 plus old 16 zones metering...

04-21-2009, 10:26 PM	#59
pm42 New Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Paris, France Posts: 5	Originally posted by huqedato Fresh from a Pentax French dealer/reseller: it's about K7 (without "D"), it's from the same line as K20D and not a "pro" camera (as the expected K2D). It's not a FF. It has almost the same specifications as K20D. What's new: the look concept, video HD and improvements from K20D (many and consistent). The same Safox VII focus system, but "improved towards stability (?) and accuracy", but not in terms of speed. Sounds quite plausible too because the cost of developping such a body would be low: different cosmetics/some software to support video and give better AF... On the other hand, it would also be somewhat sad because it is just an incremental evolution like Canon does often and I'm afraid it would not increase the attractivness of the offer up to the point it deserves.

04-21-2009, 10:36 PM	#60
KungPOW Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Vancouver, Canada Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,699	Originally posted by huqedato Fresh from a Pentax French dealer/reseller: it's about K7 (without "D"), it's from the same line as K20D and not a "pro" camera (as the expected K2D). It's not a FF. It has almost the same specifications as K20D. What's new: the look concept, video HD and improvements from K20D (many and consistent). The same Safox VII focus system, but "improved towards stability (?) and accuracy", but not in terms of speed. A pro DSLR camera line is to be expected in 2010-2011, but not a word about the sensor size. I really hope that what you heard is wrong. I don't want a K20D in a new body, but now with video. I can't be the only one here that is looking at this camera to decide if Pentax is the system I want to spend my cash on. Common Pentax...help keep me as a fanboy.