There is yet another DSLR in the works....

WerTicus · 12-16-2009, 01:57 AM

seriously doubt they will be doing a full frame any time soon, it just does not fit with the DA lenses.

it will be a k7 almost exactly + sensor upgrade.

wll · 12-16-2009, 03:13 AM

Originally posted by Nubi

Squeezing in another DSLR between K-7 and K-x does not make a whole lot of sense to me, but maybe that is just me.

Nubi,

For me it makes a lot of sense, I do want a battery grip and weather sealing. Don't mind a plastic body, and high fps is not important.

What is important is sensor quality in the high ISO and DR department. I'm sure the new camera will have very good video also.

wll

Class A · 12-16-2009, 04:56 AM

Originally posted by monochrome

...the K-7 changed direction about this time last year (spread 645/FF R&D over a larger volume product)

What is known about this change of direction? I'm curious as to what happened and why anyone outside Pentax knows about it.

Originally posted by monochrome

Well, maybe they made a somewhat inferior macro a better lens...

In what way was the previous lens "somewhat inferior"? Again, I'm genuinely curious.

FWIW, Nubi might be right about the timing of an FF camera. Sony's A850 (Almost A900 technology for a bargain price) is something to watch out for for Pentax. Somehow I feel that Sony may become the biggest threat to Pentax.

falconeye · 12-16-2009, 06:42 AM

I smell FF for 2010.

DA 60-250 was delayed. I still have to run my lens test over Xmas to see if it rates +++ as a FF lens. If it does (and it may well do) then the lens situation isn't that bad:

FA 31, DA*55, DFA100WR (NEW!!), DA*200 primes (new tele coming?)
1.4x (FF?) converter (another curious delay ...)
DA* 60-250/4 zoom

The only lens missing for a launch would be
DFA* 24-70/2.8 zoom

(It should be noted that an 1.4x converter makes a sharp DA lens full frame capable by definition (it magnifies the image circle).)

I mean, why not call the DFA100WR DA100WR and ignore the 35mm suitability if APS-C would be carved in stone?

The problem I see is that a FF body implies a comittment for the SLR business I don't see Hoya is yet ready to make. But this must not prevent them to develop the body.

thibs · 12-16-2009, 07:12 AM

You forgot DA*300

Oh, DA40, FA43, FA77 as well.

But why would Pentax release DA200/300 as DA and not as DFA then?
Because they changed their mind?

falconeye · 12-16-2009, 08:10 AM

Originally posted by thibs

You forgot DA*300

Oh, DA40, FA43, FA77 as well.

But why would Pentax release DA200/300 as DA and not as DFA then?
Because they changed their mind?

DA40 DA70 etc. got only a "+" in my rating ( https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-slr-lens-discussion/31629-da-lens-...ts-thread.html ). DA*300 a "++" with an option to receive "+++" if it performs as well as an FA*300/4.5 in the corners.

My list was meant to list potential +++ lenses on FF. DFA*200 and DFA*55 possibly were too early as any new DFA lenses fuel the FF speculation

thibs · 12-16-2009, 08:55 AM

OK, got it, thank Falk.

infoomatic · 12-16-2009, 02:18 PM

they will be doing full frame in 2010 ... but "full frame" in pentax world is the dfa645. Pentax won't have a 35mm equivalent full frame next year.

Asahiflex · 12-16-2009, 02:55 PM

Originally posted by infoomatic

they will be doing full frame in 2010 ... but "full frame" in pentax world is the dfa645. Pentax won't have a 35mm equivalent full frame next year.

And you know that because...?

GLXLR · 12-16-2009, 05:01 PM

Originally posted by Asahiflex

And you know that because...?

Rofl same thing in my mind.

deadwolfbones · 12-16-2009, 06:59 PM

Probably because they've said repeatedly that they've got no plans in that direction.

Most reliable info we have at this point.

WerTicus · 12-16-2009, 11:31 PM

because Pentax don't have the clout to do a full frame and a medium in one year.

And if we've heard about the 645d, we would have heard something about the full frame.

maybe they will do one, but not for 3-5 years.

Christopher M.W.T · 12-17-2009, 12:36 AM

Whatever happened to official Pentax people actually posting here?

I thought Ned Bunnell was a regular once upon a time, whatever happened to him?

Seriously all this talk about FF is getting crazy, look at Olympus! All they have is micro 4/3 and they seem to be doing fine at the moment.

Class A · 12-17-2009, 04:24 AM

Originally posted by C.W Tsorotes

Whatever happened to official Pentax people actually posting here?

I thought Ned Bunnell was a regular once upon a time, whatever happened to him?

JCPentax just seemed to have vanished after he did his marketing spiel. Not a great loss, AFAIC, as he dodged questions he didn't like, and told people off when their Pentax love wasn't unconditional.

I never saw Ned Bunnel post. What is his user name? It is a bit peculiar to see him speculating about the K-x on his blog. Why doesn't he ask Pentax Japan instead of guessing how the K-x deals with different battery types?

**Rondec** · 12-17-2009, 05:18 AM

I think a lot of Pentax's decision on full frame has to do with the availability of a sensor for a cost they think they can manage. Not saying that we are there yet, but I think Sony would certainly be willing to sell them a full frame sensor and that's where it starts. Samsung also seems to be in the running. I don't see Samsung being able to launch a full frame camera on their own and so, if they want one, they'll need help from someone else.

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12-16-2009, 01:57 AM	#76
WerTicus Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Perth Australia Photos: Albums Posts: 1,514	seriously doubt they will be doing a full frame any time soon, it just does not fit with the DA lenses. it will be a k7 almost exactly + sensor upgrade.

12-16-2009, 03:13 AM	#77
wll Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Mission Hills, CA Posts: 773	Originally posted by Nubi Squeezing in another DSLR between K-7 and K-x does not make a whole lot of sense to me, but maybe that is just me. Nubi, For me it makes a lot of sense, I do want a battery grip and weather sealing. Don't mind a plastic body, and high fps is not important. What is important is sensor quality in the high ISO and DR department. I'm sure the new camera will have very good video also. wll

12-16-2009, 04:56 AM	#78
Class A Pentaxian Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Wellington, New Zealand Posts: 11,251	Originally posted by monochrome ...the K-7 changed direction about this time last year (spread 645/FF R&D over a larger volume product) What is known about this change of direction? I'm curious as to what happened and why anyone outside Pentax knows about it. Originally posted by monochrome Well, maybe they made a somewhat inferior macro a better lens... In what way was the previous lens "somewhat inferior"? Again, I'm genuinely curious. FWIW, Nubi might be right about the timing of an FF camera. Sony's A850 (Almost A900 technology for a bargain price) is something to watch out for for Pentax. Somehow I feel that Sony may become the biggest threat to Pentax.

12-16-2009, 06:42 AM	#79
falconeye Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Munich, Alps, Germany Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,871	I smell FF for 2010. DA 60-250 was delayed. I still have to run my lens test over Xmas to see if it rates +++ as a FF lens. If it does (and it may well do) then the lens situation isn't that bad: FA 31, DA55, DFA100WR (NEW!!), DA200 primes (new tele coming?) 1.4x (FF?) converter (another curious delay ...) DA* 60-250/4 zoom The only lens missing for a launch would be DFA* 24-70/2.8 zoom (It should be noted that an 1.4x converter makes a sharp DA lens full frame capable by definition (it magnifies the image circle).) I mean, why not call the DFA100WR DA100WR and ignore the 35mm suitability if APS-C would be carved in stone? The problem I see is that a FF body implies a comittment for the SLR business I don't see Hoya is yet ready to make. But this must not prevent them to develop the body.

12-16-2009, 07:12 AM	#80
thibs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Photos: Albums Posts: 7,001	You forgot DA*300 Oh, DA40, FA43, FA77 as well. But why would Pentax release DA200/300 as DA and not as DFA then? Because they changed their mind?

12-16-2009, 08:10 AM	#81
falconeye Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Munich, Alps, Germany Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,871	Originally posted by thibs You forgot DA300 Oh, DA40, FA43, FA77 as well. But why would Pentax release DA200/300 as DA and not as DFA then? Because they changed their mind? DA40 DA70 etc. got only a "+" in my rating ( https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-slr-lens-discussion/31629-da-lens-...ts-thread.html ). DA300 a "++" with an option to receive "+++" if it performs as well as an FA300/4.5 in the corners. My list was meant to list potential +++ lenses on FF. DFA200 and DFA*55 possibly were too early as any new DFA lenses fuel the FF speculation

12-16-2009, 08:55 AM	#82
thibs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Photos: Albums Posts: 7,001	OK, got it, thank Falk.

12-16-2009, 02:18 PM	#83
infoomatic Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Austria Photos: Gallery Posts: 255	they will be doing full frame in 2010 ... but "full frame" in pentax world is the dfa645. Pentax won't have a 35mm equivalent full frame next year.

12-16-2009, 02:55 PM	#84
Asahiflex Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Netherlands Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,795	Originally posted by infoomatic they will be doing full frame in 2010 ... but "full frame" in pentax world is the dfa645. Pentax won't have a 35mm equivalent full frame next year. And you know that because...?

12-16-2009, 05:01 PM	#85
GLXLR Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Sugar Land, TX Photos: Gallery Posts: 684	Originally posted by Asahiflex And you know that because...? Rofl same thing in my mind.

12-16-2009, 06:59 PM	#86
deadwolfbones Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Santa Fe, NM Posts: 7,451	Probably because they've said repeatedly that they've got no plans in that direction. Most reliable info we have at this point.

12-16-2009, 11:31 PM	#87
WerTicus Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Perth Australia Photos: Albums Posts: 1,514	because Pentax don't have the clout to do a full frame and a medium in one year. And if we've heard about the 645d, we would have heard something about the full frame. maybe they will do one, but not for 3-5 years.

12-17-2009, 12:36 AM	#88
Christopher M.W.T Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,689	Whatever happened to official Pentax people actually posting here? I thought Ned Bunnell was a regular once upon a time, whatever happened to him? Seriously all this talk about FF is getting crazy, look at Olympus! All they have is micro 4/3 and they seem to be doing fine at the moment.

12-17-2009, 04:24 AM	#89
Class A Pentaxian Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Wellington, New Zealand Posts: 11,251	Originally posted by C.W Tsorotes Whatever happened to official Pentax people actually posting here? I thought Ned Bunnell was a regular once upon a time, whatever happened to him? JCPentax just seemed to have vanished after he did his marketing spiel. Not a great loss, AFAIC, as he dodged questions he didn't like, and told people off when their Pentax love wasn't unconditional. I never saw Ned Bunnel post. What is his user name? It is a bit peculiar to see him speculating about the K-x on his blog. Why doesn't he ask Pentax Japan instead of guessing how the K-x deals with different battery types?

12-17-2009, 05:18 AM	#90
Rondec Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Gladys, Virginia Photos: Gallery Posts: 27,663	I think a lot of Pentax's decision on full frame has to do with the availability of a sensor for a cost they think they can manage. Not saying that we are there yet, but I think Sony would certainly be willing to sell them a full frame sensor and that's where it starts. Samsung also seems to be in the running. I don't see Samsung being able to launch a full frame camera on their own and so, if they want one, they'll need help from someone else.