Great News: DA 18-55 WR Kit Lens to Come!

asdf · 04-27-2009, 09:20 PM

Originally posted by RiceHigh:

Amongst the three, the 17-70 is the worst, corner sharpness is worst unless you stop down quite much.

If you're basing your opinion on the digitalcamerareview.com review, then you're a bigger idiot than most people think:

https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-slr-lens-discussion/55729-doing-wr...eview-com.html

EDIT:
Oh, wait, you are:
http://ricehigh.blogspot.com/2008/09/new-da-17-70-f4-lens-test.html

Q.E.D.

Last edited by asdf; 04-27-2009 at 09:32 PM.

RiceHigh · 04-27-2009, 09:24 PM

Originally posted by mattdm

Because a completely-sealed mid-entry level camera kit would be completely unique.

A complete sealed KIT LENS is MORE UNIQUE !

RiceHigh · 04-27-2009, 09:25 PM

Originally posted by asdf

If you're basing your opinion on the digitalcamerareview.com review, then you're a bigger idiot than most people think:

https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-slr-lens-discussion/55729-doing-wr...eview-com.html

EDIT:
Oh, wait, you are:
RiceHigh's Pentax Blog: New DA 17-70 F4 Lens Test

Q.E.D.

Nope. Not Only. There are more evidences.

asdf · 04-27-2009, 09:26 PM

Originally posted by RiceHigh

Nope. Not Only. There are more evidences.

OK, what are they?

EDIT: BTW, the silly nonsense on digitalcamerareview.com is only the evidence of the stupidity of the reviewer. So your statement "there are more evidences" is peculiar.

Last edited by asdf; 04-27-2009 at 09:32 PM.

ogl · 04-27-2009, 09:56 PM

DA18-55/3.5-5.6 II is really good kit lens with good bokeh, colour and contrast.
DA18-55 with weather resist is really good move of Pentax.
Roland Mabo said already about WR lenses too.

DA50-200 will be the same.

mattdm · 04-27-2009, 10:52 PM

Originally posted by RiceHigh

A complete sealed KIT LENS is MORE UNIQUE !

Err, yeah, that's what I said. I mean, you can't have a kit without a kit lens.

**Hannican** · 04-27-2009, 10:53 PM

News flash: Rice High IS Ned Bunnel! We've all been duped by his C*non fanboy antics and amazing Engrish skills!

RiceHigh · 04-27-2009, 10:59 PM

Originally posted by MSM

Perhaps one of these is the new kit lens.

We can only hope. As I understand it, there is more to weather sealing a lens than simply adding a rubber ring near the mount. I can't imagine Pentax would redesign the 18-55 mm (Mark III) to be on the latest and greatest camera's kit lens. Also, isn't a weather sealed lens now the mark of a DA*? or is it weather sealing and SDM?

Yes, it is Real. Its a "re-designed" DA18-55.

vitalsax · 04-27-2009, 11:29 PM

oh my goodness rice! you're a machine of rumors i have to have this source as well

RiceHigh · 04-27-2009, 11:39 PM

Originally posted by vitalsax

oh my goodness rice! you're a machine of rumors i have to have this source as well

I'm not a machine, but just a Robot! ;-)

asdf · 04-28-2009, 01:23 AM

Originally posted by RiceHigh

I'm not a machine, but just a Robot! ;-)

Uhh, a robot is a machine.

CSpronken · 04-28-2009, 02:09 AM

Weather sealing the kit lens would be a very nice move, but as said by someone else if you already got a 18-55mm L kit lens why still maintain 18-55mm for the second one and even add weather sealing to it? I think a 16-55mm or 16-60mm F3.5-5.6 weather sealed kit lens would really add much more appeal to lure people to the Pentax brand and with the extra wide angle and weather sealing really would signal that Pentax does things more the photographers way then other brands even in the kit lenses.

janneman · 04-28-2009, 02:21 AM

Originally posted by RiceHigh

And, I really appreciate that Pentax/Hoya did accept and take my suggestion - and most importantly, implement it!

I am sorry to dissapoint you Rice, but I am quite sure it was me... I have been annoying the people of that other forum about Pentax needing more sealed lenses :-) , also in the cheaper range. Da18-5 is a good start but we need a more versatile zoomrange as well.
I have heard numerous reports about the 17-70 being "so-so' but it would still be a good candidate for sealing as well. IQ may be a trade off but OTOH, they have managed to improve the DA18-55 so why not manage that with the 17-70 AND add sealing at the same time? (In fact, had the 17-70 been sealed I would have gotten it already).
Oh and ofcourse a DA*30/1.4.

asdf · 04-28-2009, 02:24 AM

Originally posted by janneman

I have heard numerous reports about the 17-70 being "so-so'

Numerous? Name one.

EDIT:

"The Pentax DA SMC 17-70mm f/4 AL [IF] SDM is undoubtedly the most desirable standard zoom lens in the current Pentax lens lineup."
(from http://www.photozone.de/pentax/408-pentax_1770_4?start=2)

janneman · 04-28-2009, 02:52 AM

Originally posted by asdf

Numerous? Name one.

EDIT:

"The Pentax DA SMC 17-70mm f/4 AL [IF] SDM is undoubtedly the most desirable standard zoom lens in the current Pentax lens lineup."
(from Pentax SMC DA 17-70mm f/4 AL [IF] SDM - Review / Test Report)

Err, our friends remark in this thread, then another post in this thread, a few posts in the other forum and a few emails I received privately from people who have bought it.

Ofcourse it's range and constant f4 make it very usefull and therefore desirable.

04-27-2009, 09:56 PM	#20
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	DA18-55/3.5-5.6 II is really good kit lens with good bokeh, colour and contrast. DA18-55 with weather resist is really good move of Pentax. Roland Mabo said already about WR lenses too. DA50-200 will be the same. Last edited by ogl; 04-27-2009 at 11:13 PM.

04-28-2009, 02:21 AM	#28
janneman Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Netherlands Photos: Gallery Posts: 908	Originally posted by RiceHigh And, I really appreciate that Pentax/Hoya did accept and take my suggestion - and most importantly, implement it! I am sorry to dissapoint you Rice, but I am quite sure it was me... I have been annoying the people of that other forum about Pentax needing more sealed lenses :-) , also in the cheaper range. Da18-5 is a good start but we need a more versatile zoomrange as well. I have heard numerous reports about the 17-70 being "so-so' but it would still be a good candidate for sealing as well. IQ may be a trade off but OTOH, they have managed to improve the DA18-55 so why not manage that with the 17-70 AND add sealing at the same time? (In fact, had the 17-70 been sealed I would have gotten it already). Oh and ofcourse a *DA30/1.4.** Last edited by janneman; 04-28-2009 at 02:49 AM.

04-28-2009, 02:24 AM	#29
asdf Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Canada Posts: 1,252	Originally posted by janneman I have heard numerous reports about the 17-70 being "so-so' Numerous? Name one. EDIT: "The Pentax DA SMC 17-70mm f/4 AL [IF] SDM is undoubtedly the most desirable standard zoom lens in the current Pentax lens lineup." (from http://www.photozone.de/pentax/408-pentax_1770_4?start=2) Last edited by asdf; 04-28-2009 at 02:49 AM.

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04-27-2009, 09:20 PM	#16
asdf Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Canada Posts: 1,252	Originally posted by RiceHigh: Amongst the three, the 17-70 is the worst, corner sharpness is worst unless you stop down quite much. If you're basing your opinion on the digitalcamerareview.com review, then you're a bigger idiot than most people think: https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-slr-lens-discussion/55729-doing-wr...eview-com.html EDIT: Oh, wait, you are: http://ricehigh.blogspot.com/2008/09/new-da-17-70-f4-lens-test.html Q.E.D. Last edited by asdf; 04-27-2009 at 09:32 PM.

04-27-2009, 09:24 PM	#17
RiceHigh Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Hong Kong Posts: 1,934 Original Poster	Originally posted by mattdm Because a completely-sealed mid-entry level camera kit would be completely unique. A complete sealed KIT LENS is MORE UNIQUE !

04-27-2009, 09:25 PM	#18
RiceHigh Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Hong Kong Posts: 1,934 Original Poster	Originally posted by asdf If you're basing your opinion on the digitalcamerareview.com review, then you're a bigger idiot than most people think: https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-slr-lens-discussion/55729-doing-wr...eview-com.html EDIT: Oh, wait, you are: RiceHigh's Pentax Blog: New DA 17-70 F4 Lens Test Q.E.D. Nope. Not Only. There are more evidences.

04-27-2009, 09:26 PM	#19
asdf Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Canada Posts: 1,252	Originally posted by RiceHigh Nope. Not Only. There are more evidences. OK, what are they? EDIT: BTW, the silly nonsense on digitalcamerareview.com is only the evidence of the stupidity of the reviewer. So your statement "there are more evidences" is peculiar. Last edited by asdf; 04-27-2009 at 09:32 PM.

04-27-2009, 10:52 PM	#21
mattdm Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Boston, MA Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,948	Originally posted by RiceHigh A complete sealed KIT LENS is MORE UNIQUE ! Err, yeah, that's what I said. I mean, you can't have a kit without a kit lens.

04-27-2009, 10:53 PM	#22
Hannican Site Supporter Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Irvine, CA Photos: Gallery Posts: 485	News flash: Rice High IS Ned Bunnel! We've all been duped by his C*non fanboy antics and amazing Engrish skills!

04-27-2009, 10:59 PM	#23
RiceHigh Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Hong Kong Posts: 1,934 Original Poster	Originally posted by MSM Perhaps one of these is the new kit lens. We can only hope. As I understand it, there is more to weather sealing a lens than simply adding a rubber ring near the mount. I can't imagine Pentax would redesign the 18-55 mm (Mark III) to be on the latest and greatest camera's kit lens. Also, isn't a weather sealed lens now the mark of a DA*? or is it weather sealing and SDM? Yes, it is Real. Its a "re-designed" DA18-55.

04-27-2009, 11:29 PM	#24
vitalsax Inactive Account Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: U.S. /Miami - Florida. Posts: 208	oh my goodness rice! you're a machine of rumors i have to have this source as well

04-27-2009, 11:39 PM	#25
RiceHigh Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Hong Kong Posts: 1,934 Original Poster	Originally posted by vitalsax oh my goodness rice! you're a machine of rumors i have to have this source as well I'm not a machine, but just a Robot! ;-)

04-28-2009, 01:23 AM	#26
asdf Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Canada Posts: 1,252	Originally posted by RiceHigh I'm not a machine, but just a Robot! ;-) Uhh, a robot is a machine.

04-28-2009, 02:09 AM	#27
CSpronken Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Netherlands Posts: 105	Weather sealing the kit lens would be a very nice move, but as said by someone else if you already got a 18-55mm L kit lens why still maintain 18-55mm for the second one and even add weather sealing to it? I think a 16-55mm or 16-60mm F3.5-5.6 weather sealed kit lens would really add much more appeal to lure people to the Pentax brand and with the extra wide angle and weather sealing really would signal that Pentax does things more the photographers way then other brands even in the kit lenses.

04-28-2009, 02:52 AM	#30
janneman Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Netherlands Photos: Gallery Posts: 908	Originally posted by asdf Numerous? Name one. EDIT: "The Pentax DA SMC 17-70mm f/4 AL [IF] SDM is undoubtedly the most desirable standard zoom lens in the current Pentax lens lineup." (from Pentax SMC DA 17-70mm f/4 AL [IF] SDM - Review / Test Report) Err, our friends remark in this thread, then another post in this thread, a few posts in the other forum and a few emails I received privately from people who have bought it. Ofcourse it's range and constant f4 make it very usefull and therefore desirable.

Great News: DA 18-55 *WR* Kit Lens to Come!

Great News: DA 18-55 WR Kit Lens to Come!