Originally posted by Gooshin ding ding ding
need more people to understand this.
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system A for work type Z
system B for work type K
No, really, we get it. How often do you need to be told that? These arguments are as old as photography. LF vs MF and 35mm arguments were exactly the same. Stop putting words in peoples mouths.
I shot MF and 35mm for a while. However, with APSC digital I can now make A2 colour prints which are acceptably sharp with little visible grain up to ISO200. They enlarge much better than 35mm colour negatives and although 645 has more detail, digital is cleaner and sharpens better so I can often get away with it.
How many people do YOU know who regularly need to print larger than A2?
Of course, like MF, FF has some advantages....if you dont mind the bulk and the cost (and the filesizes of the latest 24MP cameras).
If I did weddings and events, or some types of photojournalism, then I could see the point of a low resolution FF camera with a bigger VF for available light work. An extra stop is always nice, though for static objects I would take SR.
If I was a pro shooting architectural work and interiors for magazines, then rectilinear wide angles and wide T&S lenses would be useful.
And yes with 24MP I can print a size larger, up to A1, where I really am putting 645 film in its place. It seems to make all those 24MP digital backs look a bit long in the tooth as well. A replacement for 645 film? Probably. It has similar resolution AND less noise.
It has a long way to go though before it can challenge higher res 645 digital and LF film, and it probably never will (its probably limited to about 30MP, just as APS is limited to around 15MP by the available optics).
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APS-C is limiting, depending on what you want done, if you cant understand that ( *isteve, and others), then stop trying to persuade the rest of us that we are idiots for seeing value in a full frame format.
Actually, I never used the word idiot, you did.
You keep claiming APS is "limiting" but failing to come up with a reasonable explanation as to why this is "limiting" your photography. Sure FF has merits, as it should for the extra more money, but if you dont do the kind of stuff I described above, I cant see how it would limit you.
I just pointed out why the shallow DOF "limitation" is overdone and largely irrelevant in real world. If you have an issue with that, point out the flaws in the argument. (Hint: One of them is not that I have my head in my ass - try a different approach).
Quote: We're trying our best to showcase situations where a Full Frame might be advantageous, but you shoot us down every time, hand waving and all, when the fact of the matter is that you are outright wrong.
1. Your showcase was a flop.
2. Please show me where I was wrong.
Quote: Seriously? Get your head out of your ass and stop being dicks.
As this is an internet forum, not a redneck bar, and as you are not carrying a hockey stick, this form of argument tends not to be very effective. You can say anything you like but...
1. I DONT CARE.
2. It makes you look inarticulate
Quote: We want full frame, let us dream, but dont tell us that its useless or has no merit.
Never said it was useless or had no merit. Dream on. Just get your facts straight, and read what people are actually writing and you might learn something, though I seriously doubt it.