Originally posted by jay Buy faster glass and STFU.
FF fanboys on these forums don't seem to get it. .
first of all, you're an idiot.
second of all, i'm not a fanboy, i have both a pentax K20D and a pentax MZ-S, i use both, successuflly, depending on the situation.
Originally posted by jay I see things like, "well, I want FF so my lenses perform at their real focal lengths"
What does that even mean?.
*looks around*, where did you hear me say that?
Originally posted by jay Pull out an 80mm f/2.0 lens for you mystical FF Pentax and I could just as easily say, "oh, that's not the REAL focal length. You need to shoot with my Mamiya 645 with my 80/1.9."
my FF pentax is not mystical... here is a picture...
Originally posted by jay The focal length is the intrinsic characteristic of a lens. it doesn't matter what sort of insignificant size you crop the image circle to -- FF, APS-C, super-16... who cares.
you are only correct if you talk about focal length, and nothing else, and completly disregard the final result, which is the image, which will have a different look to it when used on different bodies
here is a picture, since maybe words dont work on you that well (depth of field numbers for illustrative purposes only)
Originally posted by jay There's nothing inherently wrong with full-frame (nor MF or LF, for that matter). If all of your lenses are full-frame, and you're comfortable with the weight of those lenses, their image quality, and focal lengths -- great.
ever hold a takumar in your hand...... you're a joke, stop talking.
Originally posted by jay But none of the FF advocates have addressed any concerns about lens availability. They spend all their time arguing that they need less depth, or they need better IQ (We'll see how good the 5D mk II looks against a fine-tuned K-7 when it comes out...), but no one has explained to me which lenses they plan on using with this mystical FF camera.
*looks around again*, where did you see me talk about more IQ? I think you have me confused with someone else.
as to which lenses i plan to use, well "I" plan to use my FA lenses, also my takumar lenses, also i had an inkling to the Ziess pieces as well.
Originally posted by jay Pentax doesn't have any glass in production that meets these requirements. You can't go out and buy a mystical "16-35 f/2.8 SDM" like you can with Canon or Nikon to use as your ultra wide -- Pentax just doesn't make it; they never have. They don't make a 70-200/2.8, a 300/2.8, or a 400/2.8. Yes, they used to make AF versions of the teles, their AF is slow, and they're extremely hard to come by these days. And they're outrageously expensive.
okay so what are you tring to say about the 16-35, pentax doesnt have an equivalent now anyway, i dont follow? thats one.
pentax has always had the FA line, its not like the plans for these lenses magically went POOF, thats two
AFAIK all "DA" lenses above a certain focal length and aperture cover a FF circle, even the DA40, to my surpise. thats three.
so really, what are you saying? (dont answer)
Originally posted by jay Not to mention, a Pentax FF body would cost more than $2,000 USD. And again, the widest usable pro zoom you'd have available is a 24-70 f/2.8 -- with screw-drive AF. You wouldn't have SDM on *any* of your lenses. Nor would you have the water sealing.
...These were great lenses, but they're old dinosaurs. I was playing with my dad's 50-135 -- and I'm planning on ordering a 60-250 -- and it was awesome. When I look into the viewfinder, it reminds me of my old Canon 1-series film camera with a 70-200. Except, with my K10D, it was much much lighter and compact.
And I'm comparing that to my imagination of a Pentax FF camera with a big old clunky FA* 80-200, with that loud AF drive. The weight. The size of the whole package. Icky!
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dinasours! HA.
clunky, icky, love your adjectives!
also 2000 bucks for a piece of professional photo gear is not that expensive....
Originally posted by jay It just seems absolutely ridiculous that there's a single person out there who would really shell out all that dough for a few less centimeters (yes... centimeters) of depth.
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centimeters ehh, you are right, centimeters, you know how many centimeres are in a meter.... right?
Online Depth of Field Calculator
do a subject distance of 15 feet, 35mm on digital F2.8, and 50mm on film F2.8
it is centimeters.. alot of them, and "numbers" dont even begin to explain the difference that you see on the final image.
Originally posted by jay And! If you do have the dough, why not advocate for the speedy release of the Pentax 645D? I see that as Pentax's answer to the full-frame question. You all should be running your mouth in a "645D Requests" thread, and hopefully Pentax will integrate some of your ideas into their product. Start with this one.
are you blind, the forum is filled with 645 D speculations.
Originally posted by jay . But, if you're so critical of your photography, I'm sure you spend days in post production examining every pixel to make sure it's perfect. If you need even less depth, just rotoscope it in photoshop.
Or buy faster glass.
Or buy a nice Nikon.
everyone else did it, hell, even sony, why not pentax.
and also, once again, why are you ranting at me, are you angry that i see the merits of owning a FF digital pentax, and you dont?
welcome to the forums, "Jay", i'll give you a digital pat on the back if you stay around past June.