K-7: the specs are known already

Ishpuini · 05-05-2009, 05:51 AM

Originally posted by Asahiflex

What you should be hoping for is that the K-7 inherits the exposure system of the Pentax LX where the exposure is determined at two stages: metering on the first curtain, of directly from the film during longer exposures. Seems feasible in the K-7 too; this way it doesn't matter which screen you use.

Indeed, that would be the best solution. No impact at all on metering. Even now with my optibright treated KatzEye my K20D underexposes 1 stop on average. Easily compensated for of course. A more consistent new(?) metering would be better even if a constant compensation of required due to the focus screen, but completely independent metering is the ideal situation. I'm not counting on the anyhow...

Wim

janneman · 05-05-2009, 05:52 AM

Originally posted by Edvinas

- Om81 was able to quickly try K-7, he says it is very good camera although there's something he didn't like about the body

-Maybe om prefers plastic bodies and this one is metal
-Maybe Om wants metal and it is plastic
-Maybe he is used to the K20D size and thinks it too small
-Maybe he has tiny hands and wanted it even smaller
-Maybe he thinks it is ugly
-Maybe it is only available in black
-Maybe it will come in different colours, the black one is is only a limited series

Did I forget anything?

Kenn100D · 05-05-2009, 05:53 AM

its SAFOX IX not IIX after 7 then 9. AF Contrast metering. And maybe the manual and AF lever has been removed or placed somewhere on the RH side.

Asahiflex · 05-05-2009, 05:57 AM

Originally posted by Ishpuini

Indeed, that would be the best solution. No impact at all on metering. Even now with my optibright treated KatzEye my K20D underexposes 1 stop on average. Easily compensated for of course. A more consistent new(?) metering would be better even if a constant compensation of required due to the focus screen, but completely independent metering is the ideal situation. I'm not counting on the anyhow...

Neither am I, but *if* the K-7 indeed has a metering system derived from the one on the LX, then this means that we finally can use our beloved MF lenses like they should. I.e. without metering errors because the metering takes place with closed diaphragm at the time of exposure. Now, wouldn't that be cool? This way, it doesn't matter anymore that the mount is crippled

(Although there's a drawback too: you'll never know which shutter speed the camera is going to use).

lol101 · 05-05-2009, 05:58 AM

Originally posted by Asahiflex

What you should be hoping for is that the K-7 inherits the exposure system of the Pentax LX where the exposure is determined at two stages: metering on the first curtain, of directly from the film during longer exposures. Seems feasible in the K-7 too; this way it doesn't matter which screen you use.

The only problem is that there is no more film to meter from....

surface reflectivity of the sensor would render "off the sensor" metering very difficult if not impossible I am afraid.

Asahiflex · 05-05-2009, 05:58 AM

Originally posted by Kenn100D

And maybe the manual and AF lever has been removed or placed somewhere on the RH side.

No; it's still where you would expect it.

lol101 · 05-05-2009, 06:00 AM

Originally posted by janneman

Did I forget anything?

Yes, actually you forgot a lot of possibilities but the list is too long...

losecontrol · 05-05-2009, 06:00 AM

Is this all about taking better photos? ...I mean Come on!! :S

The cameramens of the future can't capture the moment, don't know when to press at the right moment, don't know how to metering well and don't even tell me about set the DOF at the right point..

ohh, wait a minute! We don't need this no more! Everything we dream of is just inside the camera. We don't need practice anything..just but a better camera and continue complain about the gear and we will be PRO's everyone.

........

gosh

Asahiflex · 05-05-2009, 06:00 AM

Originally posted by lol101

The only problem is that there is no more film to meter from....

surface reflectivity of the sensor would render "off the sensor" metering very difficult if not impossible I am afraid.

I've heard that before... doesn't the sensor reflect light? Anyway, couldn't the sensor itself be used as a light meter?

Edit: it should be possible. Didn't the *ist D and DS have off-the-sensor TTL flash metering?

Kenn100D · 05-05-2009, 06:04 AM

eventually mr. rice is recently inactive. I guess he is trying the K-7. That why he says it's his 7 pentax camera.

**RuiC** · 05-05-2009, 06:12 AM

Originally posted by ogl

There is one problem with body...

People will be very disappointed. But we lived without for years.

falconeye · 05-05-2009, 06:13 AM

Originally posted by Kenn100D

eventually mr. rice is recently inactive.

No, he was quick to tell me that "10 - 2 = 8". Globalization at work

Graham67 · 05-05-2009, 06:13 AM

Originally posted by janneman

-Maybe om prefers plastic bodies and this one is metal
-Maybe Om wants metal and it is plastic
-Maybe he is used to the K20D size and thinks it too small
-Maybe he has tiny hands and wanted it even smaller
-Maybe he thinks it is ugly
-Maybe it is only available in black
-Maybe it will come in different colours, the black one is is only a limited series

Did I forget anything?

Maybe it's FF and his DA lenses don't work without vignetting?

(Me bad.)

**RuiC** · 05-05-2009, 06:14 AM

When the marketing Director tells about a new concept, there will be many things that are different, accessories,... etc.

Kenn100D · 05-05-2009, 06:23 AM

K-7 - the new top of Pentaks, foreign intelligence officers of reading is forbidden!

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05-05-2009, 06:00 AM	#174
Asahiflex Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Netherlands Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,795	Originally posted by lol101 The only problem is that there is no more film to meter from.... surface reflectivity of the sensor would render "off the sensor" metering very difficult if not impossible I am afraid. I've heard that before... doesn't the sensor reflect light? Anyway, couldn't the sensor itself be used as a light meter? Edit: it should be possible. Didn't the ist D and DS have off-the-sensor TTL flash metering? Last edited by Asahiflex; 05-05-2009 at 06:12 AM.*

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05-05-2009, 05:51 AM	#166
Ishpuini Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Antwerp, Belgium Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,727	Originally posted by Asahiflex What you should be hoping for is that the K-7 inherits the exposure system of the Pentax LX where the exposure is determined at two stages: metering on the first curtain, of directly from the film during longer exposures. Seems feasible in the K-7 too; this way it doesn't matter which screen you use. Indeed, that would be the best solution. No impact at all on metering. Even now with my optibright treated KatzEye my K20D underexposes 1 stop on average. Easily compensated for of course. A more consistent new(?) metering would be better even if a constant compensation of required due to the focus screen, but completely independent metering is the ideal situation. I'm not counting on the anyhow... Wim

05-05-2009, 05:52 AM	#167
janneman Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Netherlands Photos: Gallery Posts: 908	Originally posted by Edvinas - Om81 was able to quickly try K-7, he says it is very good camera although there's something he didn't like about the body -Maybe om prefers plastic bodies and this one is metal -Maybe Om wants metal and it is plastic -Maybe he is used to the K20D size and thinks it too small -Maybe he has tiny hands and wanted it even smaller -Maybe he thinks it is ugly -Maybe it is only available in black -Maybe it will come in different colours, the black one is is only a limited series Did I forget anything?

05-05-2009, 05:53 AM	#168
Kenn100D Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Paranaque City, Philippines Photos: Gallery Posts: 697	its SAFOX IX not IIX after 7 then 9. AF Contrast metering. And maybe the manual and AF lever has been removed or placed somewhere on the RH side.

05-05-2009, 05:57 AM	#169
Asahiflex Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Netherlands Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,795	Originally posted by Ishpuini Indeed, that would be the best solution. No impact at all on metering. Even now with my optibright treated KatzEye my K20D underexposes 1 stop on average. Easily compensated for of course. A more consistent new(?) metering would be better even if a constant compensation of required due to the focus screen, but completely independent metering is the ideal situation. I'm not counting on the anyhow... Neither am I, but if the K-7 indeed has a metering system derived from the one on the LX, then this means that we finally can use our beloved MF lenses like they should. I.e. without metering errors because the metering takes place with closed diaphragm at the time of exposure. Now, wouldn't that be cool? This way, it doesn't matter anymore that the mount is crippled (Although there's a drawback too: you'll never know which shutter speed the camera is going to use).

05-05-2009, 05:58 AM	#170
lol101 Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Garennes sur Eure France Photos: Gallery Posts: 899	Originally posted by Asahiflex What you should be hoping for is that the K-7 inherits the exposure system of the Pentax LX where the exposure is determined at two stages: metering on the first curtain, of directly from the film during longer exposures. Seems feasible in the K-7 too; this way it doesn't matter which screen you use. The only problem is that there is no more film to meter from.... surface reflectivity of the sensor would render "off the sensor" metering very difficult if not impossible I am afraid.

05-05-2009, 05:58 AM	#171
Asahiflex Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Netherlands Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,795	Originally posted by Kenn100D And maybe the manual and AF lever has been removed or placed somewhere on the RH side. No; it's still where you would expect it.

05-05-2009, 06:00 AM	#172
lol101 Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Garennes sur Eure France Photos: Gallery Posts: 899	Originally posted by janneman Did I forget anything? Yes, actually you forgot a lot of possibilities but the list is too long...

05-05-2009, 06:00 AM	#173
losecontrol Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Gnesta, Sweden Posts: 373	Is this all about taking better photos? ...I mean Come on!! :S The cameramens of the future can't capture the moment, don't know when to press at the right moment, don't know how to metering well and don't even tell me about set the DOF at the right point.. ohh, wait a minute! We don't need this no more! Everything we dream of is just inside the camera. We don't need practice anything..just but a better camera and continue complain about the gear and we will be PRO's everyone. ........ gosh

05-05-2009, 06:04 AM	#175
Kenn100D Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Paranaque City, Philippines Photos: Gallery Posts: 697	eventually mr. rice is recently inactive. I guess he is trying the K-7. That why he says it's his 7 pentax camera.

05-05-2009, 06:12 AM	#176
RuiC Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Lisboa - The best destination in Europe Posts: 633	Originally posted by ogl There is one problem with body... People will be very disappointed. But we lived without for years.

05-05-2009, 06:13 AM	#177
falconeye Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Munich, Alps, Germany Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,871	Originally posted by Kenn100D eventually mr. rice is recently inactive. No, he was quick to tell me that "10 - 2 = 8". Globalization at work

05-05-2009, 06:13 AM	#178
Graham67 Inactive Account Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Leicester, England Photos: Gallery Posts: 89	Originally posted by janneman -Maybe om prefers plastic bodies and this one is metal -Maybe Om wants metal and it is plastic -Maybe he is used to the K20D size and thinks it too small -Maybe he has tiny hands and wanted it even smaller -Maybe he thinks it is ugly -Maybe it is only available in black -Maybe it will come in different colours, the black one is is only a limited series Did I forget anything? Maybe it's FF and his DA lenses don't work without vignetting? (Me bad.)

05-05-2009, 06:23 AM	#180
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