Okay, No More Leak of the K-7, Its Time to Sum it Up!

elkarrde · 05-06-2009, 07:34 AM

Originally posted by Asahiflex

But my pictures could have been shopped too. Om81 is just playing with us

very true, indeed! intriguing, nonetheless.

although i would like to see decrippled mount, i don't see why should pentax do that - green/AE-L button does the trick flawlessly.

falconeye · 05-06-2009, 07:42 AM

I think Om81 has just in this very moment lost his credit in the international community. This is a sorry thing.

gazonk · 05-06-2009, 07:45 AM

Originally posted by elkarrde

green/AE-L button does the trick flawlessly.

Really? Not on my K10D. It's close to worthless, I thought this was well known.

I usually meter (with the green button) at open aperture, and then I stop down the aperture N steps, and double the shutter time N times.

falconeye · 05-06-2009, 07:49 AM

Originally posted by gazonk

I stop down the aperture N steps, and double the shutter time N times.

Isn't this last step at least easier with AEL coupling in M mode? I mean, press AEL and just stop down?

Asahiflex · 05-06-2009, 07:51 AM

Originally posted by falconeye

Isn't this last step at least easier with AEL coupling in M mode? I mean, press AEL and just stop down?

In theory, yes. But the metering is close to worthless (pictures are over- or underexposed a lot).

Asahiflex · 05-06-2009, 07:54 AM

Originally posted by falconeye

I think Om81 has just in this very moment lost his credit in the international community. This is a sorry thing.

I agree with you. For all we know we could be discussing things that are there on the "press kit photos" but what if those photos originate from Om81 in the first place?

The whole time I was thinking about the strange "hole" at the side of the grip, next to the mount. This seems to be shopped too, otherwise this is a *very* strange design move from Pentax. A hole that does nothing, just being a hole?

Wieland, what do you think? Do you also think this might be shopped, but in reality this is the stop-down lever?

deejjjaaaa · 05-06-2009, 08:20 AM

Originally posted by ogl

ржу не могу

CSpronken · 05-06-2009, 08:24 AM

Originally posted by Rush2112

Nice specs on that viewfinder, being 100% x 1.0x is dooable on APS-C, as the prism wouldn't have to be nearly as big as a full frame comparison. I'd be pretty happy about that if I were a pentaxian as it would be the best specced APS-C viewfinder in any current DSLR.

I shoot with a 100% coverage viewfinder on one of my other DSLR's and really enjoy knowing the edges of the frame are legit. Much better than a 100% view on the LCD only.

Carl

Couldn't agree more. Less than 100% coverage adds an additional complication to composing that I find very unappealing.

PS. I would call it SAFVOX III EVO. SAFVOX III hardware, but evolution in algorithms and thus performance (or just 3.2).

deejjjaaaa · 05-06-2009, 08:30 AM

Originally posted by emr

Or are ogl and his nadsat droogs going to tolchock an old veck and razrez his cameras?

RaduA · 05-06-2009, 08:36 AM

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deejjjaaaa · 05-06-2009, 08:39 AM

Originally posted by RaduA

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Torphoto · 05-06-2009, 09:44 AM

The problem is those under NDA are not giving us answers, we don't want full specs but answers

simple yes or no would do to at least get many rumors squashed ( 1.3 crop, square sensors etc ).

Now this is only a prediction of mine

the camera can record video HIGHER than 1080p ( it's a standard that does not have to be kept hard and fast ). There is no point in putting an hdmi port if it only did 480p or 720p. It will have 1080p24 as one of the modes.

we will get full rez at 3.5 fps in raw, faster frame rates in jpeg and lower rez. I believe the camera just can't handle much more than 3.5 fps in raw but the K-7 can do it until the card is full.

Much faster frame rates in live view mode as no mirror/shutter is in the mix but again in jpeg and lower rez. Not full raw.

if not metal a very metalic feel to the build

the improved 14.6 mp sensor will have better noise and dr, the question is how much better.

shutter and sync will be 1/6000 and 1/200 ( no typo ) in optical photo mode, in LV mode I guess since once again we have not mirror or shutter 1/8000 1/250 or better..

all the controls will have very good tactile response and feel to them, from the buttons to the switches and rocker dials and knobs. The camera will just feel right.

There will be a surprise in the finder just matters how much of a surprise.

now some one who really knows the answers just say yes or no

Kunzite · 05-06-2009, 10:08 AM

Originally posted by Torphoto

Now this is only a prediction of mine

the camera can record video HIGHER than 1080p ( it's a standard that does not have to be kept hard and fast ). There is no point in putting an hdmi port if it only did 480p or 720p. It will have 1080p24 as one of the modes.
No

we will get full rez at 3.5 fps in raw, faster frame rates in jpeg and lower rez. I believe the camera just can't handle much more than 3.5 fps in raw but the K-7 can do it until the card is full.
No

Much faster frame rates in live view mode as no mirror/shutter is in the mix but again in jpeg and lower rez. Not full raw.

if not metal a very metalic feel to the build

the improved 14.6 mp sensor will have better noise and dr, the question is how much better.

shutter and sync will be 1/6000 and 1/200 ( no typo ) in optical photo mode, in LV mode I guess since once again we have not mirror or shutter 1/8000 1/250 or better..
No

all the controls will have very good tactile response and feel to them, from the buttons to the switches and rocker dials and knobs. The camera will just feel right.
No

There will be a surprise in the finder just matters how much of a surprise.

now some one who really knows the answers just say yes or no

Happy now?

Oops... I have to really know the answers? To be under NDA? I've skipped that part

Just ignore my message, then

Torphoto · 05-06-2009, 10:42 AM

Originally posted by Kunzite

Happy now?

Oops... I have to really know the answers? To be under NDA? I've skipped that part

Just ignore my message, then

GRRRRRRRR

Om81 · 05-06-2009, 10:56 AM

Originally posted by Torphoto

The problem is those under NDA are not giving us answers, we don't want full specs but answers

simple yes or no would do to at least get many rumors squashed ( 1.3 crop, square sensors etc ).

Now this is only a prediction of mine

the camera can record video HIGHER than 1080p ( it's a standard that does not have to be kept hard and fast ). There is no point in putting an hdmi port if it only did 480p or 720p. It will have 1080p24 as one of the modes.
no

we will get full rez at 3.5 fps in raw, faster frame rates in jpeg and lower rez. I believe the camera just can't handle much more than 3.5 fps in raw but the K-7 can do it until the card is full.
no

Much faster frame rates in live view mode as no mirror/shutter is in the mix but again in jpeg and lower rez. Not full raw.
no

if not metal a very metalic feel to the build
no

the improved 14.6 mp sensor will have better noise and dr, the question is how much better.
nobody knows yet

shutter and sync will be 1/6000 and 1/200 ( no typo ) in optical photo mode, in LV mode I guess since once again we have not mirror or shutter 1/8000 1/250 or better..
no no no

all the controls will have very good tactile response and feel to them, from the buttons to the switches and rocker dials and knobs. The camera will just feel right.
...

There will be a surprise in the finder just matters how much of a surprise.
dont understand

now some one who really knows the answers just say yes or no

.................

05-06-2009, 08:24 AM	#128
CSpronken Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Netherlands Posts: 105	Originally posted by Rush2112 Nice specs on that viewfinder, being 100% x 1.0x is dooable on APS-C, as the prism wouldn't have to be nearly as big as a full frame comparison. I'd be pretty happy about that if I were a pentaxian as it would be the best specced APS-C viewfinder in any current DSLR. I shoot with a 100% coverage viewfinder on one of my other DSLR's and really enjoy knowing the edges of the frame are legit. Much better than a 100% view on the LCD only. Carl Couldn't agree more. Less than 100% coverage adds an additional complication to composing that I find very unappealing. PS. I would call it SAFVOX III EVO. SAFVOX III hardware, but evolution in algorithms and thus performance (or just 3.2). Last edited by CSpronken; 05-06-2009 at 08:34 AM.

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05-06-2009, 07:34 AM	#121
elkarrde Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Zagreb, Croatia Posts: 387	Originally posted by Asahiflex But my pictures could have been shopped too. Om81 is just playing with us very true, indeed! intriguing, nonetheless. although i would like to see decrippled mount, i don't see why should pentax do that - green/AE-L button does the trick flawlessly.

05-06-2009, 07:42 AM	#122
falconeye Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Munich, Alps, Germany Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,871	I think Om81 has just in this very moment lost his credit in the international community. This is a sorry thing.

05-06-2009, 07:45 AM	#123
gazonk Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Oslo area, Norway Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,746	Originally posted by elkarrde green/AE-L button does the trick flawlessly. Really? Not on my K10D. It's close to worthless, I thought this was well known. I usually meter (with the green button) at open aperture, and then I stop down the aperture N steps, and double the shutter time N times.

05-06-2009, 07:49 AM	#124
falconeye Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Munich, Alps, Germany Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,871	Originally posted by gazonk I stop down the aperture N steps, and double the shutter time N times. Isn't this last step at least easier with AEL coupling in M mode? I mean, press AEL and just stop down?

05-06-2009, 07:51 AM	#125
Asahiflex Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Netherlands Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,795	Originally posted by falconeye Isn't this last step at least easier with AEL coupling in M mode? I mean, press AEL and just stop down? In theory, yes. But the metering is close to worthless (pictures are over- or underexposed a lot).

05-06-2009, 07:54 AM	#126
Asahiflex Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Netherlands Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,795	Originally posted by falconeye I think Om81 has just in this very moment lost his credit in the international community. This is a sorry thing. I agree with you. For all we know we could be discussing things that are there on the "press kit photos" but what if those photos originate from Om81 in the first place? The whole time I was thinking about the strange "hole" at the side of the grip, next to the mount. This seems to be shopped too, otherwise this is a very strange design move from Pentax. A hole that does nothing, just being a hole? Wieland, what do you think? Do you also think this might be shopped, but in reality this is the stop-down lever?

05-06-2009, 08:20 AM	#127
deejjjaaaa Veteran Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: steel city / rust belt Posts: 2,043	Originally posted by ogl ржу не могу

05-06-2009, 08:30 AM	#129
deejjjaaaa Veteran Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: steel city / rust belt Posts: 2,043	Originally posted by emr Or are ogl and his nadsat droogs going to tolchock an old veck and razrez his cameras?

05-06-2009, 08:36 AM	#130
RaduA Guest	vaidecapulvostrurusilor scrietimultsidegeaba

05-06-2009, 08:39 AM	#131
deejjjaaaa Veteran Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: steel city / rust belt Posts: 2,043	Originally posted by RaduA vaidecapulvostrurusilor scrietimultsidegeaba

05-06-2009, 09:44 AM	#132
Torphoto Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Trinidad W.I. Photos: Gallery Posts: 612	The problem is those under NDA are not giving us answers, we don't want full specs but answers simple yes or no would do to at least get many rumors squashed ( 1.3 crop, square sensors etc ). Now this is only a prediction of mine the camera can record video HIGHER than 1080p ( it's a standard that does not have to be kept hard and fast ). There is no point in putting an hdmi port if it only did 480p or 720p. It will have 1080p24 as one of the modes. we will get full rez at 3.5 fps in raw, faster frame rates in jpeg and lower rez. I believe the camera just can't handle much more than 3.5 fps in raw but the K-7 can do it until the card is full. Much faster frame rates in live view mode as no mirror/shutter is in the mix but again in jpeg and lower rez. Not full raw. if not metal a very metalic feel to the build the improved 14.6 mp sensor will have better noise and dr, the question is how much better. shutter and sync will be 1/6000 and 1/200 ( no typo ) in optical photo mode, in LV mode I guess since once again we have not mirror or shutter 1/8000 1/250 or better.. all the controls will have very good tactile response and feel to them, from the buttons to the switches and rocker dials and knobs. The camera will just feel right. There will be a surprise in the finder just matters how much of a surprise. now some one who really knows the answers just say yes or no

05-06-2009, 10:08 AM	#133
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Originally posted by Torphoto Now this is only a prediction of mine the camera can record video HIGHER than 1080p ( it's a standard that does not have to be kept hard and fast ). There is no point in putting an hdmi port if it only did 480p or 720p. It will have 1080p24 as one of the modes. No we will get full rez at 3.5 fps in raw, faster frame rates in jpeg and lower rez. I believe the camera just can't handle much more than 3.5 fps in raw but the K-7 can do it until the card is full. No Much faster frame rates in live view mode as no mirror/shutter is in the mix but again in jpeg and lower rez. Not full raw. if not metal a very metalic feel to the build the improved 14.6 mp sensor will have better noise and dr, the question is how much better. shutter and sync will be 1/6000 and 1/200 ( no typo ) in optical photo mode, in LV mode I guess since once again we have not mirror or shutter 1/8000 1/250 or better.. No all the controls will have very good tactile response and feel to them, from the buttons to the switches and rocker dials and knobs. The camera will just feel right. No There will be a surprise in the finder just matters how much of a surprise. now some one who really knows the answers just say yes or no Happy now? Oops... I have to really know the answers? To be under NDA? I've skipped that part Just ignore my message, then

05-06-2009, 10:42 AM	#134
Torphoto Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Trinidad W.I. Photos: Gallery Posts: 612	Originally posted by Kunzite Happy now? Oops... I have to really know the answers? To be under NDA? I've skipped that part Just ignore my message, then GRRRRRRRR

05-06-2009, 10:56 AM	#135
Om81 Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Moscow Posts: 39	Originally posted by Torphoto The problem is those under NDA are not giving us answers, we don't want full specs but answers simple yes or no would do to at least get many rumors squashed ( 1.3 crop, square sensors etc ). Now this is only a prediction of mine the camera can record video HIGHER than 1080p ( it's a standard that does not have to be kept hard and fast ). There is no point in putting an hdmi port if it only did 480p or 720p. It will have 1080p24 as one of the modes. no we will get full rez at 3.5 fps in raw, faster frame rates in jpeg and lower rez. I believe the camera just can't handle much more than 3.5 fps in raw but the K-7 can do it until the card is full. no Much faster frame rates in live view mode as no mirror/shutter is in the mix but again in jpeg and lower rez. Not full raw. no if not metal a very metalic feel to the build no the improved 14.6 mp sensor will have better noise and dr, the question is how much better. nobody knows yet shutter and sync will be 1/6000 and 1/200 ( no typo ) in optical photo mode, in LV mode I guess since once again we have not mirror or shutter 1/8000 1/250 or better.. no no no all the controls will have very good tactile response and feel to them, from the buttons to the switches and rocker dials and knobs. The camera will just feel right. ... There will be a surprise in the finder just matters how much of a surprise. dont understand now some one who really knows the answers just say yes or no .................