Originally posted by nosnoop No, the analogy was not about a bad sensor. The analogy was about a key investment or a key model turning out to be a flop, and how the company could survive it. Even if Pentax has a FF camera with a kick a** sensor, it can still turn out to be a flop just like A900. The total FF market segment is just plain too small. Whatever Pentax does, it is unlikely it would be able to convert significant number of Nikon/Canon FF users. And projecting Pentax FF sales based on Nikon/Canon : Pentax sales volume from recent history would give you a very depressing figure - it would be a flop even if the sales meet the "expectation".
Exactly my point.
Just because "others can do it...others are doing it" doesn't mean Pentax is going to. What would be the point of
not having a unique FF sensor and using Sony's for example? Unless they put in better features it'll be an A900 clone.
I think even the K10D/K200D are not differentiated enough because they use the same sensor and share features. The K-7 will put more room in between "top of the line" and mid-level. (That's assuming they'll move the Kx00D up and not make a Kx0D replacement.)
Originally posted by Samsungian On this page in this thread Ryan says full frame is 2-5% sales, & you're saying 10%.
I'm curious is this unit sales 2%-5%-10% for full frame or total cash from full frame sales?
There are links somewhere...in one of these threads...in News and Rumors...but all the thread are merging together in my head
It's definitely not up to 10%. I don't think Apple has even passed 10% with OSX yet?
Originally posted by awo425 I am in NYC in downtown Manhattan right now, I went for a short walk during my lunch time just a few minutes ago after reading this thread.
Out of curiosity I was looking at the cameras tourists and photographers are using around Wall Street , Broadway and Battery park.
I've seen quite a few people with 5Ds and those "bulky useless expensive L lenses". And nobody was using Pentax cameras. It really looks like Canon is selling more expensive FF bodies then Pentax is selling cheap and not so cheap APS-C cameras.
I've seen no istDs, no K100Ds, no K10Ds, no K20Ds and no KMs.
In my humble opinion this would be a good time for Pentax and Samsung to jump into affordable FF DSLR opportunity. You'll see they will do it in a few years, definitely after Canon will release next bestseller: "FF Digital Rebel" or whatever the name they will give it. And Pentax will bite dust again the way they usually do.
Hmm...that's weird...cause I rarely see any Canon or Nikon FFs...once in a great while.
But, you know...Manhattan has to represent the US market 100%. No point in actually looking at sales figures...just look at what people use
I swear we have the most Priuses per capita, even though I've never seen a study or stat. Madison, Wisconsin is the Capital of Priuses.
Doesn't that sound ridiculous?
I do agree with your last paragraph. Pentax needs to make an affordable body, and faster than the rest. Will it happen? Probably not...I don't see FF in Pentax's immediate future and they have already alluded to that end.
Originally posted by nosnoop Of course, we won't know until it is actually launched.
But 645D has been officially announced, and launch is under preparation. And a working prototype was shown before.
This is a far cry from a FF Pentax which really does not exist in any form - official press release or prototypes.
Pentax will go through with the 645 first, IMO.
And they had at least 1 working MZ-D FF prototype back in 2001-ish.