K-7 introducing electronic viewfinder?

**RuiC** · 05-19-2009, 04:38 AM

Originally posted by falconeye

I had this in the "excited VF explained" thread, but think I'll post it here. More down to earth discussion

Also, I attach the drawing here again, taken from the other thread mentioned above.

So, I have a question, too.

Is the VF LED status line a mini board sitting at one side of the focussing ground plate? And if so, why isn't is part of the drawing? Same goes for AF overlay points.

As long as we don't see (in the schema drawing) how the VF LED status display and the AF overlay points are implemented, the drawing may just mean that we see the K-7 implementation of a plain optical VF like the one in the K20D.

From what I've read here, the patent mentioned by RuiC would require more than a plain focussing ground plate. But there is nothing else in this drawing.

So, for the time being, I consider the evidences for an electronic viewfinder overlay in the K-7 to be non conclusive.

Originally posted by Asahiflex

Isn't the small but long blue rectangle (almost completely hidden below the prism, to the right of the ground glass screen) the VF LED status you are referring to?

I have seen another Design Patent where an LCD out of the optical path, would project operation information on the viewfinder. It must be this one, I don't recall the link now. Will research later today.

falconeye · 05-19-2009, 05:19 AM

Originally posted by cateto

The Authority spoke, so please stop discussions.

I know, my post was kind of arrogant. I apologize for that.
On the other hand, I really wanted to counteract a little bit the EVF rumor which started to become overwhelming and enthusiastic.

cateto · 05-19-2009, 05:23 AM

Never mind, I posted jokingly: no big deal.

Back on the EVF history, tomorrow we will confirm or deny, definitely. But still there are hints; for instance, that picture posted in the Chinese blog, where in one of the menus you can see "Superimpose AF area", where it that superimposition being done? On the LCD screen or on the viewfinder? Can anybody give further info on this feature?

illdefined · 05-19-2009, 05:28 AM

Originally posted by Asahiflex

Isn't the small but long blue rectangle (almost completely hidden below the prism, to the right of the ground glass screen) the VF LED status you are referring to?

no, i'm pretty sure that's the focusing screen. note the small tab used to move it.

lol101 · 05-19-2009, 05:29 AM

Originally posted by cateto

Never mind, I posted jokingly: no big deal.

Back on the EVF history, tomorrow we will confirm or deny, definitely. But still there are hints; for instance, that picture posted in the Chinese blog, where in one of the menus you can see "Superimpose AF area", where it that superimposition being done? On the LCD screen or on the viewfinder? Can anybody give further info on this feature?

I think all Pentax cameras have this option and it is the option to display the AF point in the VF.

illdefined · 05-19-2009, 05:31 AM

Originally posted by cateto

Never mind, I posted jokingly: no big deal.

Back on the EVF history, tomorrow we will confirm or deny, definitely. But still there are hints; for instance, that picture posted in the Chinese blog, where in one of the menus you can see "Superimpose AF area", where it that superimposition being done? On the LCD screen or on the viewfinder? Can anybody give further info on this feature?

Superimpose AF Area is just the lighting up in Red of the AF point, the K10/20 have it now.

the clue you may be thinking of was the "Movie Info Overlay" option which the poster said did nothing at this stage of the firmware.

Asahiflex · 05-19-2009, 05:32 AM

Originally posted by illdefined

no, i'm pretty sure that's the focusing screen. note the small tab used to move it.

OK, change "focusing screen" in "ground glass screen" and everything becomes clear to you?

falconeye · 05-19-2009, 05:32 AM

Originally posted by illdefined

no, i'm pretty sure that's the focusing screen. note the small tab used to move it.

What you mean is the focusing screen. But what Asahiflex meant is the very narrow hard to identify object just behind to the right in the image. I missed it as well. Well spotted, Asahiflex!

And as blende8 is asking below, yes, we are here talking about the viewfinder status bar.

blende8 · 05-19-2009, 05:37 AM

Is it the viewfinder status bar?

illdefined · 05-19-2009, 05:46 AM

Originally posted by falconeye

What you mean is the focusing screen. But what illdefined meant is the very narrow hard to identify object just behind to the right in the image. I missed it as well. Well spotted, illdefined!

no, well spotted Asahiflex. he should've said dark blue.

**RuiC** · 05-19-2009, 06:50 AM

I think you are looking for this.

United States Patent Application: 0080170849

**RuiC** · 05-19-2009, 06:53 AM

Originally posted by falconeye

Actually, thinking about it again ...

...

Therefore, I declare to EVF overlay rumor to be dead :ugh:

R.I.P.

Rui

**RuiC** · 05-19-2009, 07:20 AM

Originally posted by blende8

Is it the viewfinder status bar?

The VF status bar is outside the image area. This one will superimpose data on the image, like that of the AF points.

falconeye · 05-19-2009, 07:25 AM

Originally posted by RuiC

R.I.P.

R.I.P. as in Rest in Piece ?

2009, May 20 - 2009, May 19
He only became -1 day old

Yes, it is a sad story.
But the idea is so compelling, that I prefer R.I.P. to mean
Recovery Is Possible

Kunzite · 05-19-2009, 07:30 AM

Maybe. In a future model

05-19-2009, 05:32 AM	#128
falconeye Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Munich, Alps, Germany Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,871	Originally posted by illdefined no, i'm pretty sure that's the focusing screen. note the small tab used to move it. What you mean is the focusing screen. But what Asahiflex meant is the very narrow hard to identify object just behind to the right in the image. I missed it as well. Well spotted, Asahiflex! And as blende8 is asking below, yes, we are here talking about the viewfinder status bar. Last edited by falconeye; 05-19-2009 at 06:42 AM. Reason: Asahiflex spotted it :)

05-19-2009, 06:50 AM	#131
RuiC Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Lisboa - The best destination in Europe Posts: 633	Is it this one? I think you are looking for this. United States Patent Application: 0080170849

05-19-2009, 06:53 AM	#132
RuiC Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Lisboa - The best destination in Europe Posts: 633	Originally posted by falconeye Actually, thinking about it again ... ... Therefore, I declare to EVF overlay rumor to be dead :ugh: R.I.P. Rui

05-19-2009, 07:25 AM	#134
falconeye Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Munich, Alps, Germany Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,871	Originally posted by RuiC R.I.P. R.I.P. as in Rest in Piece ? 2009, May 20 - 2009, May 19 He only became -1 day old Yes, it is a sad story. But the idea is so compelling, that I prefer R.I.P. to mean Recovery Is Possible

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05-19-2009, 04:38 AM	#121
RuiC Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Lisboa - The best destination in Europe Posts: 633	Originally posted by falconeye I had this in the "excited VF explained" thread, but think I'll post it here. More down to earth discussion Also, I attach the drawing here again, taken from the other thread mentioned above. So, I have a question, too. Is the VF LED status line a mini board sitting at one side of the focussing ground plate? And if so, why isn't is part of the drawing? Same goes for AF overlay points. As long as we don't see (in the schema drawing) how the VF LED status display and the AF overlay points are implemented, the drawing may just mean that we see the K-7 implementation of a plain optical VF like the one in the K20D. From what I've read here, the patent mentioned by RuiC would require more than a plain focussing ground plate. But there is nothing else in this drawing. So, for the time being, I consider the evidences for an electronic viewfinder overlay in the K-7 to be non conclusive. Originally posted by Asahiflex Isn't the small but long blue rectangle (almost completely hidden below the prism, to the right of the ground glass screen) the VF LED status you are referring to? I have seen another Design Patent where an LCD out of the optical path, would project operation information on the viewfinder. It must be this one, I don't recall the link now. Will research later today.

05-19-2009, 05:19 AM	#122
falconeye Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Munich, Alps, Germany Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,871	Originally posted by cateto The Authority spoke, so please stop discussions. I know, my post was kind of arrogant. I apologize for that. On the other hand, I really wanted to counteract a little bit the EVF rumor which started to become overwhelming and enthusiastic.

05-19-2009, 05:23 AM	#123
cateto Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Spain Posts: 189 Original Poster	Never mind, I posted jokingly: no big deal. Back on the EVF history, tomorrow we will confirm or deny, definitely. But still there are hints; for instance, that picture posted in the Chinese blog, where in one of the menus you can see "Superimpose AF area", where it that superimposition being done? On the LCD screen or on the viewfinder? Can anybody give further info on this feature?

05-19-2009, 05:28 AM	#124
illdefined Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: NYC Posts: 929	Originally posted by Asahiflex Isn't the small but long blue rectangle (almost completely hidden below the prism, to the right of the ground glass screen) the VF LED status you are referring to? no, i'm pretty sure that's the focusing screen. note the small tab used to move it.

05-19-2009, 05:29 AM	#125
lol101 Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Garennes sur Eure France Photos: Gallery Posts: 899	Originally posted by cateto Never mind, I posted jokingly: no big deal. Back on the EVF history, tomorrow we will confirm or deny, definitely. But still there are hints; for instance, that picture posted in the Chinese blog, where in one of the menus you can see "Superimpose AF area", where it that superimposition being done? On the LCD screen or on the viewfinder? Can anybody give further info on this feature? I think all Pentax cameras have this option and it is the option to display the AF point in the VF.

05-19-2009, 05:31 AM	#126
illdefined Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: NYC Posts: 929	Originally posted by cateto Never mind, I posted jokingly: no big deal. Back on the EVF history, tomorrow we will confirm or deny, definitely. But still there are hints; for instance, that picture posted in the Chinese blog, where in one of the menus you can see "Superimpose AF area", where it that superimposition being done? On the LCD screen or on the viewfinder? Can anybody give further info on this feature? Superimpose AF Area is just the lighting up in Red of the AF point, the K10/20 have it now. the clue you may be thinking of was the "Movie Info Overlay" option which the poster said did nothing at this stage of the firmware.

05-19-2009, 05:32 AM	#127
Asahiflex Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Netherlands Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,795	Originally posted by illdefined no, i'm pretty sure that's the focusing screen. note the small tab used to move it. OK, change "focusing screen" in "ground glass screen" and everything becomes clear to you?

05-19-2009, 05:37 AM	#129
blende8 Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Bremen, Germany Photos: Albums Posts: 1,521	Is it the viewfinder status bar?

05-19-2009, 05:46 AM	#130
illdefined Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: NYC Posts: 929	Originally posted by falconeye What you mean is the focusing screen. But what illdefined meant is the very narrow hard to identify object just behind to the right in the image. I missed it as well. Well spotted, illdefined! no, well spotted Asahiflex. he should've said dark blue.

05-19-2009, 07:20 AM	#133
RuiC Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Lisboa - The best destination in Europe Posts: 633	Originally posted by blende8 Is it the viewfinder status bar? The VF status bar is outside the image area. This one will superimpose data on the image, like that of the AF points.

05-19-2009, 07:30 AM	#135
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Maybe. In a future model