K-7 introducing electronic viewfinder?

Slugger · 05-16-2009, 01:39 AM

This kind of imagery alludes to something.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v313/RiceHigh/K-7/1.jpg

Gimbal · 05-16-2009, 01:41 AM

It would be slightly disappointing to remove the bracketing button and add a picture style button.

falconeye · 05-16-2009, 02:46 AM

Originally posted by Gimbal

It would be slightly disappointing to remove the bracketing button and add a picture style button.

Indeed.
On the other hand, you somehow need access to all the in-camera processing options. HDR bracketing is a drive mode. And EVF overlay could be easily controlled with the new LV button.

**RuiC** · 05-16-2009, 02:47 AM

Originally posted by falconeye

Do you say the VF of K-7 has an electronic overlay display. Or don't you say so? From what you wrote, it isn't clear.

Or otherwise speaking ...

Do you say that the K-7 deploys a VF as described in the patent you are talking about?

You have to contextualize this discussion. You mixed two statements of mine. First they were talking of EVF but showing new prism system. Then you were talking of transparent mirrors which are not used on this design. It all will be clearer by 20th, May. Sorry.

thibs · 05-16-2009, 03:09 AM

Originally posted by falconeye

Indeed.
HDR bracketing is a drive mode.

OMG !! That'd be nice

falconeye · 05-16-2009, 03:19 AM

Originally posted by thibs

HDR bracketing is a drive mode
OMG !! That'd be nice

Ok, maybe I'll be more careful with my wording...

I don't know nothing about this, actually.

But if not a button, what else than a drive mode could it be?

**RuiC** · 05-16-2009, 05:00 AM

Originally posted by falconeye

Ok, maybe I'll be more careful with my wording...

I don't know nothing about this, actually.

But if not a button, what else than a drive mode could it be?

What about a multi option menu item?

mattdm · 05-16-2009, 06:25 AM

Originally posted by lol101

This is the Picture Style button.

It's probably true. And as a JPEG shooter, I'm happy for it. But it's terrible iconography.

janneman · 05-16-2009, 06:43 AM

Originally posted by cateto

But regardless, if there will be no EVF in the K-7, can anybody explain why the other brands will play catch-up after the release of K-7?.

If you know marketing and strategy as I understand it other brands have to play catch up (according to Pentax) if Pentax merely uses existing technology in one or more of the following possibilities:
-Pentax is the first to put all this in a more or less affordable body
-Pentax will have the smallest body to have some existing technology
-Pentax will be the first to have all in a body...
All of the above will give Pentax an edge no-one else has.

yipchunyu · 05-16-2009, 07:50 AM

if the strange button is just a picture style button.
I don't think we have the EVF this time. T_T

Yohan Pamudji · 05-16-2009, 09:10 AM

Originally posted by janneman

If you know marketing and strategy as I understand it other brands have to play catch up (according to Pentax) if Pentax merely uses existing technology in one or more of the following possibilities:
-Pentax is the first to put all this in a more or less affordable body
-Pentax will have the smallest body to have some existing technology
-Pentax will be the first to have all in a body...
All of the above will give Pentax an edge no-one else has.

If so, that's not just marketing speak and not just according to Pentax. Summed up, you're saying that in the K-7 Pentax would have the cheapest, smallest camera to incorporate all cutting edge technology that no other manufacturer has ever combined into one camera. I would definitely say that Pentax would be ahead of the curve in that case.

Yes it's more exciting to have 1 specific feature to point to that towers above the rest. But what you described is nothing to scoff at.

nosnoop · 05-16-2009, 09:57 AM

Originally posted by RuiC

It is done with the mirror locked up and readings are from the sensor. No need for transparent mirror. And the transparent LCD is deposited on the Condenser glass just next to the focusing screen. To avoid mirror reflection a plane screen is rolled out between the mirror and the focusing screen when the former is locked-up

In that case, the histogram would not be "live", more like a histogram preview, which is not as useful (similar to digital preview).

Anyways, you are talking as if the LCD overlay VF is confirmed.
If that's the case, would we see all the shooting info such as shutter speed/aperture/iso as an overlay superimposed image?

**RuiC** · 05-16-2009, 11:02 AM

Originally posted by nosnoop

In that case, the histogram would not be "live", more like a histogram preview, which is not as useful (similar to digital preview).

Anyways, you are talking as if the LCD overlay VF is confirmed.
If that's the case, would we see all the shooting info such as shutter speed/aperture/iso as an overlay superimposed image?

Never seen one EVF working and I can imagine histogram on image as video mix. Otherwise it could also be projected on screen as already done for AF select points.

blende8 · 05-16-2009, 11:12 AM

Originally posted by RuiC

Never seen one EVF working and I can imagine histogram on image as video mix.

You said above that you have seen the K7 lifeview.

Ratmagiclady · 05-16-2009, 11:21 AM

Originally posted by Gimbal

It would be slightly disappointing to remove the bracketing button and add a picture style button.

Bracketing seems more practical, but I'm still just not used to the idea of the camera bracketing *for* me, anyway. Even when bracketing, I pick my shots, so I may as well have a dial to turn for that.

A button to make do what *you* want would be even more welcome to me. I'd probably use it to toggle my in-camera monochrome settings on and off: I'm still relying on that to get me results rather than try and remember what I wanted when I shot while fussing with my old computers. When I was toting my little old Lumix around, I actually used the scene mode spot on the dial a lot, (usually set to 'snow:' that actually tended to give me good results when I couldn't *see* too well. (I never did figure out a good way to stick an eyecup on an FZ-7, but I was working on it. Didn't *always* work, but the 'snow' mode worked in a lot of conditions where the EVF was hard to read. It was a lot faster than trying to use the manual menues, anyway. Less necessary with a camera that has more controls, but it's just a little programming, and I'm not dead-set against scene modes being there as long as they aren't in the way of anything important. Better yet would be if you could set things up how you'd like for later access.

)

I'd still love to see a 'panic button' mode, (configurable 'green' mode would do) where you could set things up to drop out of anything fancy you're doing, engage all automatics, and shoot for later press use, maybe optimized for leaning on the shutter if something suddenly happens. With all this automation, I figure you may as well be able to fire blind when you have need to.

)

05-16-2009, 07:50 AM	#70
yipchunyu Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: HK Posts: 171	if the strange button is just a picture style button. I don't think we have the EVF this time. T_T Last edited by yipchunyu; 05-16-2009 at 08:01 AM.

05-16-2009, 11:21 AM	#75
Ratmagiclady Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: GA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 13,563	Originally posted by Gimbal It would be slightly disappointing to remove the bracketing button and add a picture style button. Bracketing seems more practical, but I'm still just not used to the idea of the camera bracketing for me, anyway. Even when bracketing, I pick my shots, so I may as well have a dial to turn for that. A button to make do what you want would be even more welcome to me. I'd probably use it to toggle my in-camera monochrome settings on and off: I'm still relying on that to get me results rather than try and remember what I wanted when I shot while fussing with my old computers. When I was toting my little old Lumix around, I actually used the scene mode spot on the dial a lot, (usually set to 'snow:' that actually tended to give me good results when I couldn't see too well. (I never did figure out a good way to stick an eyecup on an FZ-7, but I was working on it. Didn't always work, but the 'snow' mode worked in a lot of conditions where the EVF was hard to read. It was a lot faster than trying to use the manual menues, anyway. Less necessary with a camera that has more controls, but it's just a little programming, and I'm not dead-set against scene modes being there as long as they aren't in the way of anything important. Better yet would be if you could set things up how you'd like for later access. ) I'd still love to see a 'panic button' mode, (configurable 'green' mode would do) where you could set things up to drop out of anything fancy you're doing, engage all automatics, and shoot for later press use, maybe optimized for leaning on the shutter if something suddenly happens. With all this automation, I figure you may as well be able to fire blind when you have need to. ) Last edited by Ratmagiclady; 05-16-2009 at 11:29 AM.

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05-16-2009, 01:39 AM	#61
Slugger Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Vancouver Island Posts: 77	This kind of imagery alludes to something. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v313/RiceHigh/K-7/1.jpg

05-16-2009, 01:41 AM	#62
Gimbal Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Sweden Posts: 2,106	It would be slightly disappointing to remove the bracketing button and add a picture style button.

05-16-2009, 02:46 AM	#63
falconeye Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Munich, Alps, Germany Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,871	Originally posted by Gimbal It would be slightly disappointing to remove the bracketing button and add a picture style button. Indeed. On the other hand, you somehow need access to all the in-camera processing options. HDR bracketing is a drive mode. And EVF overlay could be easily controlled with the new LV button.

05-16-2009, 02:47 AM	#64
RuiC Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Lisboa - The best destination in Europe Posts: 633	Originally posted by falconeye Do you say the VF of K-7 has an electronic overlay display. Or don't you say so? From what you wrote, it isn't clear. Or otherwise speaking ... Do you say that the K-7 deploys a VF as described in the patent you are talking about? You have to contextualize this discussion. You mixed two statements of mine. First they were talking of EVF but showing new prism system. Then you were talking of transparent mirrors which are not used on this design. It all will be clearer by 20th, May. Sorry.

05-16-2009, 03:09 AM	#65
thibs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Photos: Albums Posts: 7,001	Originally posted by falconeye Indeed. HDR bracketing is a drive mode. OMG !! That'd be nice

05-16-2009, 03:19 AM	#66
falconeye Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Munich, Alps, Germany Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,871	Originally posted by thibs HDR bracketing is a drive mode OMG !! That'd be nice Ok, maybe I'll be more careful with my wording... I don't know nothing about this, actually. But if not a button, what else than a drive mode could it be?

05-16-2009, 05:00 AM	#67
RuiC Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Lisboa - The best destination in Europe Posts: 633	Originally posted by falconeye Ok, maybe I'll be more careful with my wording... I don't know nothing about this, actually. But if not a button, what else than a drive mode could it be? What about a multi option menu item?

05-16-2009, 06:25 AM	#68
mattdm Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Boston, MA Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,948	Originally posted by lol101 This is the Picture Style button. It's probably true. And as a JPEG shooter, I'm happy for it. But it's terrible iconography.

05-16-2009, 06:43 AM	#69
janneman Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Netherlands Photos: Gallery Posts: 908	Originally posted by cateto But regardless, if there will be no EVF in the K-7, can anybody explain why the other brands will play catch-up after the release of K-7?. If you know marketing and strategy as I understand it other brands have to play catch up (according to Pentax) if Pentax merely uses existing technology in one or more of the following possibilities: -Pentax is the first to put all this in a more or less affordable body -Pentax will have the smallest body to have some existing technology -Pentax will be the first to have all in a body... All of the above will give Pentax an edge no-one else has.

05-16-2009, 09:10 AM	#71
Yohan Pamudji Inactive Account Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Mississippi Posts: 184	Originally posted by janneman If you know marketing and strategy as I understand it other brands have to play catch up (according to Pentax) if Pentax merely uses existing technology in one or more of the following possibilities: -Pentax is the first to put all this in a more or less affordable body -Pentax will have the smallest body to have some existing technology -Pentax will be the first to have all in a body... All of the above will give Pentax an edge no-one else has. If so, that's not just marketing speak and not just according to Pentax. Summed up, you're saying that in the K-7 Pentax would have the cheapest, smallest camera to incorporate all cutting edge technology that no other manufacturer has ever combined into one camera. I would definitely say that Pentax would be ahead of the curve in that case. Yes it's more exciting to have 1 specific feature to point to that towers above the rest. But what you described is nothing to scoff at.

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05-16-2009, 09:57 AM	#72
nosnoop Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 1,299	Originally posted by RuiC It is done with the mirror locked up and readings are from the sensor. No need for transparent mirror. And the transparent LCD is deposited on the Condenser glass just next to the focusing screen. To avoid mirror reflection a plane screen is rolled out between the mirror and the focusing screen when the former is locked-up In that case, the histogram would not be "live", more like a histogram preview, which is not as useful (similar to digital preview). Anyways, you are talking as if the LCD overlay VF is confirmed. If that's the case, would we see all the shooting info such as shutter speed/aperture/iso as an overlay superimposed image?

05-16-2009, 11:02 AM	#73
RuiC Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Lisboa - The best destination in Europe Posts: 633	Originally posted by nosnoop In that case, the histogram would not be "live", more like a histogram preview, which is not as useful (similar to digital preview). Anyways, you are talking as if the LCD overlay VF is confirmed. If that's the case, would we see all the shooting info such as shutter speed/aperture/iso as an overlay superimposed image? Never seen one EVF working and I can imagine histogram on image as video mix. Otherwise it could also be projected on screen as already done for AF select points.

05-16-2009, 11:12 AM	#74
blende8 Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Bremen, Germany Photos: Albums Posts: 1,521	Originally posted by RuiC Never seen one EVF working and I can imagine histogram on image as video mix. You said above that you have seen the K7 lifeview.