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05-19-2009, 03:34 AM   #16
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So let's ponder what it actually does: What I can get from the description in the original post, it displays data in the optical viewfinder... when the mirror is up. I was hoping for a data overlay on top of the optical image in the viewfinder, but that clearly isn't possible when the mirror is up. So what exactly does this mean? Is it just a data overlay over... nothing? Is it a full live-view EVF implementation (that would actually be quite useful for video)? Does anyone have any specs on it yet?

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So let's ponder what it actually does: What I can get from the description in the original post, it displays data in the optical viewfinder... when the mirror is up. I was hoping for a data overlay on top of the optical image in the viewfinder, but that clearly isn't possible when the mirror is up. So what exactly does this mean? Is it just a data overlay over... nothing? Is it a full live-view EVF implementation (that would actually be quite useful for video)? Does anyone have any specs on it yet?
with the mirror up, it would work one of two ways much like the Digital Preview works now.

either a static shot is taken and you can review it along with some info (like histogram), OR the mirror flips up and engages full LV but this time inside the viewfinder.

i believe the LV button on the back would be exclusive for the back LCD, as i don't see an eye sensor to flip the feed between viewfinder and LCD. which isn't doing wonders for my theory.
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QuoteOriginally posted by er1kksen Quote
So let's ponder what it actually does: What I can get from the description in the original post, it displays data in the optical viewfinder... when the mirror is up. I was hoping for a data overlay on top of the optical image in the viewfinder, but that clearly isn't possible when the mirror is up. So what exactly does this mean? Is it just a data overlay over... nothing? Is it a full live-view EVF implementation (that would actually be quite useful for video)? Does anyone have any specs on it yet?
Actually, from someone's description of how this works, it sounds like they could in fact put a data overlay in the finder: the mirror obviously would only have to be up when making video exposures, and during that I guess you get in-finder live view. Seems to me they could re-task the same stuff to make those overlays pretty easily.

Oh, and, I suppose, Illdefined, the LV button could just toggle the LCD on or off: it seems to me that in video, you'd only need the two modes, maybe with the INFO button involved for any heads-up stuff just like on the LCD in review. Or the switch around the shutter for 'digital preview,'

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So cateto do you still stand by the EVF prediction in your blog? "superimpose AF" menu item is in both the k10d and k20d so it is nothing new.

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So cateto do you still stand by the EVF prediction in your blog? "superimpose AF" menu item is in both the k10d and k20d so it is nothing new.
Only a few hours to be clarified upon that. Anyway, there were two discussions about EVF. The real goodie would be the electroluminescent display above the focusing screen. You would be able to have LV in realtime through the eyepiece. Huge benefits would follow. Maybe it's costlier and trickier to implement.
The other VF would have some image data superimposed on the image, other than just the AF points.

Sorry, I only wanted to help.
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The real goodie would be the electroluminescent display above the focusing screen. You would be able to have LV in realtime through the eyepiece. Huge benefits would follow. Maybe it's costlier and trickier to implement.
My Pentax ME Super has Live View in realtime through the eyepiece. It's great. I can see what I'm about to shoot, through the lens. That way, if I have filters and stuff in front of the lens, I see what they do. It's especially great with polarizes.

It shouldn't be too hard for the K-7 to gain the ability to do live view through the eyepiece. I drew up a diagram that I hope they implement (though obviously it's too late to squeeze it into the K-7 -- but maybe next time):



Basically, they could do it by putting a mirror at a 45 degree angle in the camera -- this would bounce the light up. Then, using a pentaprism would reflect the image out of the eyepiece (some may call it a "view finder").

This way, the photographer can always see the same image that the sensor sees. Live view. Through the eye piece.

I think it'd be a great feature.
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QuoteOriginally posted by jay Quote
I drew up a diagram that I hope they implement (though obviously it's too late to squeeze it into the K-7 -- but maybe next time):
you should have used ms paint. and at least remove the copyright!
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QuoteOriginally posted by jay Quote
My Pentax ME Super has Live View in realtime through the eyepiece. It's great. I can see what I'm about to shoot, through the lens. That way, if I have filters and stuff in front of the lens, I see what they do. It's especially great with polarizes.

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I think it'd be a great feature.
Some people really do go to a lot of trouble for the sake of sarcasm.

Bravo!

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QuoteOriginally posted by RuiC Quote
Only a few hours to be clarified upon that. Anyway, there were two discussions about EVF. The real goodie would be the electroluminescent display above the focusing screen. You would be able to have LV in realtime through the eyepiece. Huge benefits would follow. Maybe it's costlier and trickier to implement.
The other VF would have some image data superimposed on the image, other than just the AF points.

Sorry, I only wanted to help.
QuoteOriginally posted by jay Quote
My Pentax ME Super has Live View in realtime through the eyepiece. It's great. I can see what I'm about to shoot, through the lens. That way, if I have filters and stuff in front of the lens, I see what they do. It's especially great with polarizes.

It shouldn't be too hard for the K-7 to gain the ability to do live view through the eyepiece. I drew up a diagram that I hope they implement (though obviously it's too late to squeeze it into the K-7 -- but maybe next time):



Basically, they could do it by putting a mirror at a 45 degree angle in the camera -- this would bounce the light up. Then, using a pentaprism would reflect the image out of the eyepiece (some may call it a "view finder").

This way, the photographer can always see the same image that the sensor sees. Live view. Through the eye piece.

I think it'd be a great feature.
I'm afraid you have a modern version of the ME body. Yours has the lens to the right side, mine has it to the left.

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QuoteOriginally posted by PentaxPoke Quote
So cateto do you still stand by the EVF prediction in your blog? "superimpose AF" menu item is in both the k10d and k20d so it is nothing new.

Read again my blog; I wrote "Second, in one of the menus, there is the option of "Superimpose AF area", which might be (or not) related to the EVF idea discussed before".

This was purely speculation from my side. I am waiting until the final specs are disclosed today, and for the record: I make no business out of this story, this is strictly personal interest from me. If I was right, fine; if I was wrong, so be it: no big deal. The waiting time was fun anyway.
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"Superimpose AF area" - has been a feature in Pentax DSLR's since the *ist D.
It simply means AF point indication in the viewfinder on or off.
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QuoteOriginally posted by jay Quote
My Pentax ME Super has Live View in realtime through the eyepiece. It's great. I can see what I'm about to shoot, through the lens. That way, if I have filters and stuff in front of the lens, I see what they do. It's especially great with polarizes.

It shouldn't be too hard for the K-7 to gain the ability to do live view through the eyepiece. I drew up a diagram that I hope they implement (though obviously it's too late to squeeze it into the K-7 -- but maybe next time):



Basically, they could do it by putting a mirror at a 45 degree angle in the camera -- this would bounce the light up. Then, using a pentaprism would reflect the image out of the eyepiece (some may call it a "view finder").

This way, the photographer can always see the same image that the sensor sees. Live view. Through the eye piece.

I think it'd be a great feature.
Great features = live histogram in the viewfinder, exposure preview, and any crazy augmented reality stuff you could imagine
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so is it there the EVF or not??? I have not seen anything in the previews...
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Sorry, but...

it's a no-show...total bs...malarkey...etc.

A GREAT little camera, though...

Cheers,
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