Expected K-7 Retail Price: (US)$1,400

ryan s · 05-19-2009, 11:15 PM

Originally posted by RiceHigh

If the K-7 really has better and more reliable AF and AE, better and more reliable weather seal, a smaller metal but lighter body, updated and bonus features like fully functional LiveView and HD Movie, 100% viewfinder and so on.. WHY Not worth the extra money?

Frankly, the K20 is a camera that I would never buy!

What do you mean...IF? This thread is all about saying how right you are but you still bust out "IF"? You should mean "since...SINCE the K-7..." because you say that you know everything about it. Don't tell me your English isn't good enough to tell the difference

And it doesn't really matter that you wouldn't own a K20D because you don't (and won't) own any Pentax camera.

Originally posted by RiceHigh

"Gadget person" *can also* be a "photographer"! I can't get your "point" (which has no logic)!

And, a camera is a light-tight box with focusing and exposure control. The sensor is just the film. The K20 is problematic with AF and AE, which the most two basic primitive functions what a *camera* does! Of course, the last Samsung sensor is buggy, too. I hope this has been mostly debugged this time!

Stop making stuff up as you go.

So what are the most basic functions of a camera...being a light-tight box with exposure controls or having AF and AE? Pretty sure the first cameras were cameras even without AF and AE. Also confident that a cereal box with a hole poked in the front with a hat as a shutter is also a camera. Maybe you have inside info on an automatic pinhole camera?

**AlexM** · 05-19-2009, 11:21 PM

Geez.... This the first camera to produce a TRUE HDR photo in-camera from three exposure bracketed shots. I sure hope they put a fast processor in that puppy!

These features sound interesting:

HDR (High Dynamic Range) Mode (One Composite Image from 3 Exposure Bracketed Images), Dynamic Range Expansion, Auto Distortion and CA Corrections, Multiple Exposures, Copyright Credits Attachment, Dedicated RAW Button, 16 Digital Filters

Alex

PentaxPoke · 05-19-2009, 11:31 PM

Originally posted by AlexM

Geez.... This the first camera to produce a TRUE HDR photo in-camera from three exposure bracketed shots. I sure hope they put a fast processor in that puppy!

These features sound interesting:

HDR (High Dynamic Range) Mode (One Composite Image from 3 Exposure Bracketed Images), Dynamic Range Expansion, Auto Distortion and CA Corrections, Multiple Exposures, Copyright Credits Attachment, Dedicated RAW Button, 16 Digital Filters

Alex

HDR in camera; Yuck. Marketing gimmick.

RiceHigh · 05-20-2009, 12:05 AM

Originally posted by ryan s

What do you mean...IF? This thread is all about saying how right you are but you still bust out "IF"? You should mean "since...SINCE the K-7..." because you say that you know everything about it. Don't tell me your English isn't good enough to tell the difference

The K-7 distributed around the world is still with V0.2 firmware and it has been completed for every function, nor, it could represent the stable performance of a production camera!

Quote:

And it doesn't really matter that you wouldn't own a K20D because you don't (and won't) own any Pentax camera.

Guy, don't do it personal! Btw, I have had many Pentax cameras already so your proposition is incorrect:

RiceHigh's Pentax Blog: My 7th Pentax SLR Body?

Quote:

So what are the most basic functions of a camera...being a light-tight box with exposure controls or having AF and AE? Pretty sure the first cameras were cameras even without AF and AE. Also confident that a cereal box with a hole poked in the front with a hat as a shutter is also a camera. Maybe you have inside info on an automatic pinhole camera?

The problem is the AF and AE of K20D are not even up to the par with other modern *entry* level DSLRs of other brands like C, N, S, O. Don't ask me to use ancient cameras. They do take pictures but they are not modern products. Modern Pentax DSLRs with AF and AE systems that are inferior to their old MZ line bodies in the 90s is just a joke!

RiceHigh · 05-20-2009, 12:07 AM

Originally posted by PentaxPoke

HDR in camera; Yuck. Marketing gimmick.

A "marketing gimmick" that is convenient, useful and practical!

janneman · 05-20-2009, 12:17 AM

after all, who uses the dollar anyways?

okay, a renownded German seller has the K-7 on pre order for "approximately € 1500,00.
IIRC the same seller had the K20D at an initial price of € 1299 (okay with kit)

Same seller sells K20D now for € 749,00

So yes, at the current priceof the K20D the K-7 is twice as much, but I think it is fair to compare with initial prices of K20D.

To be honest, the € 1500 is a guestimate by the seller an my hunc is a conservative one, the K20D price was the official price after announcement.

K20D body prices have been lowerd to get the stock gone so maybe they are now being sold at a loss... They may actually rise the K20D price now to prevent it from interfering with the K-7

Vaikis_ · 05-20-2009, 12:30 AM

Originally posted by janneman

after all, who uses the dollar anyways?

okay, a renownded German seller has the K-7 on pre order for "approximately € 1500,00.
IIRC the same seller had the K20D at an initial price of € 1299 (okay with kit)

Same seller sells K20D now for € 749,00

So yes, at the current priceof the K20D the K-7 is twice as much, but I think it is fair to compare with initial prices of K20D.

To be honest, the € 1500 is a guestimate by the seller an my hunc is a conservative one, the K20D price was the official price after announcement.

K20D body prices have been lowerd to get the stock gone so maybe they are now being sold at a loss... They may actually rise the K20D price now to prevent it from interfering with the K-7

don't think that K20D prices changes. Now when economics go down K-7 price should be ~1100 eur, no more!

robjmitchell · 05-20-2009, 12:33 AM

Well I paid about Aus$1700 for the K10d and Sigma 17-70 when it was released. At current exchange rate the K7 would be $1800 plus 10%tax. Seems like a good price to me!

Bophoto · 05-20-2009, 01:14 AM

The entry level(now K-m/K2000) always for around 400€.
And the middle camera, now K20D, for 7-800€.
And the top camera, now K7 for over 1000€,
first ~1500€, then as times... down to 1000€.
Then a new camera comes, K6? for ~1500€,
and K7 are the middle camera for 7-800€.
And so on...(to develop 2 cameras and sell 3).

This seams to be economic for Pentax in this bad economy.

But Pentax can come with a K70? this year too.
Then we have a entry level for ~400€.
A middle one(K70) for 7-900€, or 900 first and 700 in the end.
And a top camera(K7) for 12-1500€, first 1500€ and in the end 1200€.

In this scenario Pentax most develop 3 cameras ~every year.
The cameras have shorter lifetimes, but are more up to date.

But sell Pentax more or get more money than in the first example?

**RobA_Oz** · 05-20-2009, 01:22 AM

Originally posted by RiceHigh

A "marketing gimmick" that is convenient, useful and practical!

...for some people, but probably not for me. However, the main thing is that the marketing people at Pentax have done enough research to know that it will be valued by potential buyers.

ogl · 05-20-2009, 05:30 AM

SLR Digital Cameras | B&H Photo Video

1199.95 USD for body now...

IT'S COOL....ITS GREAT

jct us101 · 05-20-2009, 05:31 AM

No way! That's cheap!

janneman · 05-20-2009, 05:47 AM

Originally posted by ogl

SLR Digital Cameras | B&H Photo Video

1199.95 USD for body now...

IT'S COOL....ITS GREAT

how can they expect to make a profit?

wll · 05-20-2009, 05:52 AM

Originally posted by janneman

how can they expect to make a profit?

For you alone, they will charge $1750.00 :-)

wll

awo425 · 05-20-2009, 06:10 AM

Good people from B&H have it at $1,199.95 on preorder, approximately arriving in July.
It this is initial price in US I think it will become very competitive by the New Year.

05-20-2009, 12:17 AM	#36
janneman Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Netherlands Photos: Gallery Posts: 908	in euro... after all, who uses the dollar anyways? okay, a renownded German seller has the K-7 on pre order for "approximately € 1500,00. IIRC the same seller had the K20D at an initial price of € 1299 (okay with kit) Same seller sells K20D now for € 749,00 So yes, at the current priceof the K20D the K-7 is twice as much, but I think it is fair to compare with initial prices of K20D. To be honest, the € 1500 is a guestimate by the seller an my hunc is a conservative one, the K20D price was the official price after announcement. K20D body prices have been lowerd to get the stock gone so maybe they are now being sold at a loss... They may actually rise the K20D price now to prevent it from interfering with the K-7

05-20-2009, 01:14 AM	#39
Bophoto Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Sweden Photos: Gallery Posts: 429	Pentax can do it in two different ways. The entry level(now K-m/K2000) always for around 400€. And the middle camera, now K20D, for 7-800€. And the top camera, now K7 for over 1000€, first ~1500€, then as times... down to 1000€. Then a new camera comes, K6? for ~1500€, and K7 are the middle camera for 7-800€. And so on...(to develop 2 cameras and sell 3). This seams to be economic for Pentax in this bad economy. But Pentax can come with a K70? this year too. Then we have a entry level for ~400€. A middle one(K70) for 7-900€, or 900 first and 700 in the end. And a top camera(K7) for 12-1500€, first 1500€ and in the end 1200€. In this scenario Pentax most develop 3 cameras ~every year. The cameras have shorter lifetimes, but are more up to date. But sell Pentax more or get more money than in the first example?

05-20-2009, 05:47 AM	#43
janneman Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Netherlands Photos: Gallery Posts: 908	Oh nooo pentax is doomed... Originally posted by ogl SLR Digital Cameras \| B&H Photo Video 1199.95 USD for body now... IT'S COOL....ITS GREAT how can they expect to make a profit?

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05-19-2009, 11:15 PM	#31
ryan s Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Madison, WI Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,383	Originally posted by RiceHigh If the K-7 really has better and more reliable AF and AE, better and more reliable weather seal, a smaller metal but lighter body, updated and bonus features like fully functional LiveView and HD Movie, 100% viewfinder and so on.. WHY Not worth the extra money? Frankly, the K20 is a camera that I would never buy! What do you mean...IF? This thread is all about saying how right you are but you still bust out "IF"? You should mean "since...SINCE the K-7..." because you say that you know everything about it. Don't tell me your English isn't good enough to tell the difference And it doesn't really matter that you wouldn't own a K20D because you don't (and won't) own any Pentax camera. Originally posted by RiceHigh "Gadget person" can also be a "photographer"! I can't get your "point" (which has no logic)! And, a camera is a light-tight box with focusing and exposure control. The sensor is just the film. The K20 is problematic with AF and AE, which *the most two basic primitive functions what a camera* does!** Of course, the last Samsung sensor is buggy, too. I hope this has been mostly debugged this time! Stop making stuff up as you go. So what are the most basic functions of a camera...being a light-tight box with exposure controls or having AF and AE? Pretty sure the first cameras were cameras even without AF and AE. Also confident that a cereal box with a hole poked in the front with a hat as a shutter is also a camera. Maybe you have inside info on an automatic pinhole camera?

05-19-2009, 11:21 PM	#32
AlexM Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Prescott Valley, AZ Photos: Gallery Posts: 171	Geez.... This the first camera to produce a TRUE HDR photo in-camera from three exposure bracketed shots. I sure hope they put a fast processor in that puppy! These features sound interesting: HDR (High Dynamic Range) Mode (One Composite Image from 3 Exposure Bracketed Images), Dynamic Range Expansion, Auto Distortion and CA Corrections, Multiple Exposures, Copyright Credits Attachment, Dedicated RAW Button, 16 Digital Filters Alex

05-19-2009, 11:31 PM	#33
PentaxPoke Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 1,411	Originally posted by AlexM Geez.... This the first camera to produce a TRUE HDR photo in-camera from three exposure bracketed shots. I sure hope they put a fast processor in that puppy! These features sound interesting: HDR (High Dynamic Range) Mode (One Composite Image from 3 Exposure Bracketed Images), Dynamic Range Expansion, Auto Distortion and CA Corrections, Multiple Exposures, Copyright Credits Attachment, Dedicated RAW Button, 16 Digital Filters Alex HDR in camera; Yuck. Marketing gimmick.

05-20-2009, 12:05 AM	#34
RiceHigh Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Hong Kong Posts: 1,934 Original Poster	Originally posted by ryan s What do you mean...IF? This thread is all about saying how right you are but you still bust out "IF"? You should mean "since...SINCE the K-7..." because you say that you know everything about it. Don't tell me your English isn't good enough to tell the difference The K-7 distributed around the world is still with V0.2 firmware and it has been completed for every function, nor, it could represent the stable performance of a production camera! Quote: And it doesn't really matter that you wouldn't own a K20D because you don't (and won't) own any Pentax camera. Guy, don't do it personal! Btw, I have had many Pentax cameras already so your proposition is incorrect: RiceHigh's Pentax Blog: My 7th Pentax SLR Body? Quote: So what are the most basic functions of a camera...being a light-tight box with exposure controls or having AF and AE? Pretty sure the first cameras were cameras even without AF and AE. Also confident that a cereal box with a hole poked in the front with a hat as a shutter is also a camera. Maybe you have inside info on an automatic pinhole camera? The problem is the AF and AE of K20D are not even up to the par with other modern entry level DSLRs of other brands like C, N, S, O. Don't ask me to use ancient cameras. They do take pictures but they are not modern products. Modern Pentax DSLRs with AF and AE systems that are inferior to their old MZ line bodies in the 90s is just a joke!

05-20-2009, 12:07 AM	#35
RiceHigh Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Hong Kong Posts: 1,934 Original Poster	Originally posted by PentaxPoke HDR in camera; Yuck. Marketing gimmick. A "marketing gimmick" that is convenient, useful and practical!

05-20-2009, 12:30 AM	#37
Vaikis_ Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 213	Originally posted by janneman after all, who uses the dollar anyways? okay, a renownded German seller has the K-7 on pre order for "approximately € 1500,00. IIRC the same seller had the K20D at an initial price of € 1299 (okay with kit) Same seller sells K20D now for € 749,00 So yes, at the current priceof the K20D the K-7 is twice as much, but I think it is fair to compare with initial prices of K20D. To be honest, the € 1500 is a guestimate by the seller an my hunc is a conservative one, the K20D price was the official price after announcement. K20D body prices have been lowerd to get the stock gone so maybe they are now being sold at a loss... They may actually rise the K20D price now to prevent it from interfering with the K-7 don't think that K20D prices changes. Now when economics go down K-7 price should be ~1100 eur, no more!

05-20-2009, 12:33 AM	#38
robjmitchell Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Melbourne Aus Posts: 1,776	Well I paid about Aus$1700 for the K10d and Sigma 17-70 when it was released. At current exchange rate the K7 would be $1800 plus 10%tax. Seems like a good price to me!

05-20-2009, 01:22 AM	#40
RobA_Oz Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Tasmania, Australia Photos: Gallery Posts: 8,196	Originally posted by RiceHigh A "marketing gimmick" that is convenient, useful and practical! ...for some people, but probably not for me. However, the main thing is that the marketing people at Pentax have done enough research to know that it will be valued by potential buyers.

05-20-2009, 05:30 AM	#41
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	SLR Digital Cameras \| B&H Photo Video 1199.95 USD for body now... IT'S COOL....ITS GREAT

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05-20-2009, 05:52 AM	#44
wll Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Mission Hills, CA Posts: 773	Originally posted by janneman how can they expect to make a profit? For you alone, they will charge $1750.00 :-) wll

05-20-2009, 06:10 AM	#45
awo425 Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: NYC, USA Posts: 481	Good people from B&H have it at $1,199.95 on preorder, approximately arriving in July. It this is initial price in US I think it will become very competitive by the New Year.