Expected K-7 Retail Price: (US)$1,400

k100d · 05-19-2009, 09:05 PM

Originally posted by jct us101

Not bad, but still way out of my price range ($0).

really, i think we all get it now

RiceHigh · 05-19-2009, 09:07 PM

Originally posted by snofox

At CAD 1600 - 1700 the K-7 is twice the price of a K20D body. I doubt very much if it will be twice the camera. The K20D just became semi-pro enough for this user.

Every higher ranked or even pro camera is not in proportion for what you will get in addition!

If you are to make decision based on that, you'll never buy an upper ranked camera!

To get the unique features and higher performance of any upper class DSLR, we have to pay for the premium!

Chocolar · 05-19-2009, 09:17 PM

That's US200 cheaper than Pany GH1, with WR!

RiceHigh · 05-19-2009, 09:22 PM

Originally posted by Chocolar

That's US200 cheaper than Pany GH1, with WR!

The GH1 is good for Movie (Full HD, realtime AF and AE, but yet still without power zoom) but not good for still photog with its smaller 4/3 sensor and the lack of an optical finder.

So, I would prefer a K-7 and GH1 has been out from my purchase consideration list since I learnt about K7 last month!

The Video capability is a bonus but it should by no means prevail the importance of still picture taking!

snofox · 05-19-2009, 09:25 PM

Originally posted by RiceHigh

Every higher ranked or even pro camera is not in proportion for what you will get in addition!

If you are to make decision based on that, you'll never buy an upper ranked camera!

To get the unique features and higher performance of any upper class DSLR, we have to pay for the premium!

Understood. That's what the Lincoln salesman said too.

The K20D is an awesome camera, ranked by some (even dpreview) with the semi-pros. From what I have read, the K7 just doesn't give me enough extra incentive to shell out twice the money. So I am buying a K20D, barring some unanticipated (pleasant) surprises from the Pentax K-7 unveiling.

deadwolfbones · 05-19-2009, 09:38 PM

Originally posted by snofox

Understood. That's what the Lincoln salesman said too.

The K20D is an awesome camera, ranked by some (even dpreview) with the semi-pros. From what I have read, the K7 just doesn't give me enough extra incentive to shell out twice the money. So I am buying a K20D, barring some unanticipated (pleasant) surprises from the Pentax K-7 unveiling.

Maybe we can make a deal once the K7 is available.

RiceHigh · 05-19-2009, 09:46 PM

Originally posted by snofox

Understood. That's what the Lincoln salesman said too.

The K20D is an awesome camera, ranked by some (even dpreview) with the semi-pros. From what I have read, the K7 just doesn't give me enough extra incentive to shell out twice the money. So I am buying a K20D, barring some unanticipated (pleasant) surprises from the Pentax K-7 unveiling.

If the K-7 really has better and more reliable AF and AE, better and more reliable weather seal, a smaller metal but lighter body, updated and bonus features like fully functional LiveView and HD Movie, 100% viewfinder and so on.. WHY Not worth the extra money?

Frankly, the K20 is a camera that I would never buy!

Vaikis_ · 05-19-2009, 10:21 PM

Originally posted by RiceHigh

If the K-7 really has better and more reliable AF and AE, better and more reliable weather seal, a smaller metal but lighter body, updated and bonus features like fully functional LiveView and HD Movie, 100% viewfinder and so on.. WHY Not worth the extra money?

Frankly, the K20 is a camera that I would never buy!

waiting for your tests K-7 vs K20

snofox · 05-19-2009, 10:24 PM

Originally posted by RiceHigh

If the K-7 really has better and more reliable AF and AE, better and more reliable weather seal, a smaller metal but lighter body, updated and bonus features like fully functional LiveView and HD Movie, 100% viewfinder and so on.. WHY Not worth the extra money?
Frankly, the K20 is a camera that I would never buy!

AF and AE... not a problem for me with my 200D, don't anticipate it being worse on a K20D.

better and more reliable weather seal I don't shoot underwater or in downpours. K200/K20 weather sealing is fine for me.

a smaller metal but lighter body Even with my small hands and weak old limbs the K20D is not a problem here. I like the weight and balance of the camera.

bonus features like fully functional LiveView and HD Movie, Live View is a marginally attractive extra for me. If I want HD movies I will buy a movie cam.

100% viewfinder ATTRACTIVE!

In sum, I am attracted by the AF and AE a little, and a lot by the viewfinder. But not for twice as much as the K20D. Sorry, but it is too pricey for my needs. That is all there is to it.

Frankly, the K20 is a camera that I would never buy I don't understand that at all.

I think we are quits on this issue.

FWIW I am glad that Pentax is unveiling a new camera that excites Pentax users so much. It just doesn't seem to me to be that much of an advancement over the K20D. So, that's what I am going for.

Fin.

turbosaturn · 05-19-2009, 10:39 PM

I am waiting to see how its sensor compares to the K20D. The thing that I care most about is ISO performance. If it is a substancially better performer at ISO 1600 compared to the K20D, then I'll definately intend to purchase one. If not, then I'll be in the market for a K20D.

ddhytz · 05-19-2009, 10:44 PM

Originally posted by RiceHigh

If the K-7 really has better and more reliable AF and AE, better and more reliable weather seal, a smaller metal but lighter body, updated and bonus features like fully functional LiveView and HD Movie, 100% viewfinder and so on.. WHY Not worth the extra money?

Frankly, the K20 is a camera that I would never buy!

You are just a gadget person, not a photographer. You completely ignore one most important thing for a camera - image quality.

Unless the IQ of K-7 is proved to be better than that of K20D, I don't think you can say it is worth more than a K20D.

RiceHigh · 05-19-2009, 10:57 PM

Originally posted by ddhytz

You are just a gadget person, not a photographer. You completely ignore one most important thing for a camera - image quality.

Unless the IQ of K-7 is proved to be better than that of K20D, I don't think you can say it is worth more than a K20D.

"Gadget person" *can also* be a "photographer"! I can't get your "point" (which has no logic)!

And, a camera is a light-tight box with focusing and exposure control. The sensor is just the film. The K20 is problematic with AF and AE, which the most two basic primitive functions what a *camera* does! Of course, the last Samsung sensor is buggy, too. I hope this has been mostly debugged this time!

gazonk · 05-19-2009, 10:59 PM

Originally posted by turbosaturn

I am waiting to see how its sensor compares to the K20D. The thing that I care most about is ISO performance. If it is a substancially better performer at ISO 1600 compared to the K20D, then I'll definately intend to purchase one. If not, then I'll be in the market for a K20D.

I'm equally concerned with low-ISO performance. I hope it can rival my K10d at ISO 100!

RiceHigh · 05-19-2009, 11:02 PM

People who need the extra features and has the demands on more accurate and reliable things and higher performances will pay for the little premium, as I have said.

For those who don't or won't need the "extras", they would be happy to use or get the lower/older models.

Originally posted by snofox

AF and AE... not a problem for me with my 200D, don't anticipate it being worse on a K20D.

better and more reliable weather seal I don't shoot underwater or in downpours. K200/K20 weather sealing is fine for me.

a smaller metal but lighter body Even with my small hands and weak old limbs the K20D is not a problem here. I like the weight and balance of the camera.

bonus features like fully functional LiveView and HD Movie, Live View is a marginally attractive extra for me. If I want HD movies I will buy a movie cam.

100% viewfinder ATTRACTIVE!

In sum, I am attracted by the AF and AE a little, and a lot by the viewfinder. But not for twice as much as the K20D. Sorry, but it is too pricey for my needs. That is all there is to it.

Frankly, the K20 is a camera that I would never buy I don't understand that at all.

I think we are quits on this issue.

FWIW I am glad that Pentax is unveiling a new camera that excites Pentax users so much. It just doesn't seem to me to be that much of an advancement over the K20D. So, that's what I am going for.

Fin.

gazonk · 05-19-2009, 11:05 PM

Originally posted by ddhytz

Unless the IQ of K-7 is proved to be better than that of K20D, I don't think you can say it is worth more than a K20D.

IQ isn't everything, if it was, we could just as well drag pentax 67s around. As an example, if you're an action, sports or wildlife photographer, the improved fps and af of the K-7 may give you more keepers, and that may quickly pay back the price premium.

05-19-2009, 09:07 PM	#17
RiceHigh Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Hong Kong Posts: 1,934 Original Poster	Not in Proportion! Originally posted by snofox At CAD 1600 - 1700 the K-7 is twice the price of a K20D body. I doubt very much if it will be twice the camera. The K20D just became semi-pro enough for this user. Every higher ranked or even pro camera is not in proportion for what you will get in addition! If you are to make decision based on that, you'll never buy an upper ranked camera! To get the unique features and higher performance of any upper class DSLR, we have to pay for the premium!

05-19-2009, 09:25 PM	#20
snofox Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Fredericton New Brunswick Canada Photos: Albums Posts: 334	Originally posted by RiceHigh Every higher ranked or even pro camera is not in proportion for what you will get in addition! If you are to make decision based on that, you'll never buy an upper ranked camera! To get the unique features and higher performance of any upper class DSLR, we have to pay for the premium! Understood. That's what the Lincoln salesman said too. The K20D is an awesome camera, ranked by some (even dpreview) with the semi-pros. From what I have read, the K7 just doesn't give me enough extra incentive to shell out twice the money. So I am buying a K20D, barring some unanticipated (pleasant) surprises from the Pentax K-7 unveiling. Last edited by snofox; 05-19-2009 at 09:30 PM.

05-19-2009, 11:02 PM	#29
RiceHigh Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Hong Kong Posts: 1,934 Original Poster	Needs.. People who need the extra features and has the demands on more accurate and reliable things and higher performances will pay for the little premium, as I have said. For those who don't or won't need the "extras", they would be happy to use or get the lower/older models. Originally posted by snofox AF and AE... not a problem for me with my 200D, don't anticipate it being worse on a K20D. better and more reliable weather seal I don't shoot underwater or in downpours. K200/K20 weather sealing is fine for me. a smaller metal but lighter body Even with my small hands and weak old limbs the K20D is not a problem here. I like the weight and balance of the camera. bonus features like fully functional LiveView and HD Movie, Live View is a marginally attractive extra for me. If I want HD movies I will buy a movie cam. 100% viewfinder ATTRACTIVE! In sum, I am attracted by the AF and AE a little, and a lot by the viewfinder. But not for twice as much as the K20D. Sorry, but it is too pricey for my needs. That is all there is to it. Frankly, the K20 is a camera that I would never buy I don't understand that at all. I think we are quits on this issue. FWIW I am glad that Pentax is unveiling a new camera that excites Pentax users so much. It just doesn't seem to me to be that much of an advancement over the K20D. So, that's what I am going for. Fin.

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05-19-2009, 09:05 PM	#16
k100d Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Toronto Posts: 3,911	Originally posted by jct us101 Not bad, but still way out of my price range ($0). really, i think we all get it now

05-19-2009, 09:17 PM	#18
Chocolar Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: OC, California Posts: 147	That's US200 cheaper than Pany GH1, with WR!

05-19-2009, 09:22 PM	#19
RiceHigh Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Hong Kong Posts: 1,934 Original Poster	Originally posted by Chocolar That's US200 cheaper than Pany GH1, with WR! The GH1 is good for Movie (Full HD, realtime AF and AE, but yet still without power zoom) but not good for still photog with its smaller 4/3 sensor and the lack of an optical finder. So, I would prefer a K-7 and GH1 has been out from my purchase consideration list since I learnt about K7 last month! The Video capability is a bonus but it should by no means prevail the importance of still picture taking!

05-19-2009, 09:38 PM	#21
deadwolfbones Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: La Crescenta, CA Posts: 7,450	Originally posted by snofox Understood. That's what the Lincoln salesman said too. The K20D is an awesome camera, ranked by some (even dpreview) with the semi-pros. From what I have read, the K7 just doesn't give me enough extra incentive to shell out twice the money. So I am buying a K20D, barring some unanticipated (pleasant) surprises from the Pentax K-7 unveiling. Maybe we can make a deal once the K7 is available.

05-19-2009, 09:46 PM	#22
RiceHigh Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Hong Kong Posts: 1,934 Original Poster	Originally posted by snofox Understood. That's what the Lincoln salesman said too. The K20D is an awesome camera, ranked by some (even dpreview) with the semi-pros. From what I have read, the K7 just doesn't give me enough extra incentive to shell out twice the money. So I am buying a K20D, barring some unanticipated (pleasant) surprises from the Pentax K-7 unveiling. If the K-7 really has better and more reliable AF and AE, better and more reliable weather seal, a smaller metal but lighter body, updated and bonus features like fully functional LiveView and HD Movie, 100% viewfinder and so on.. WHY Not worth the extra money? Frankly, the K20 is a camera that I would never buy!

05-19-2009, 10:21 PM	#23
Vaikis_ Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 213	Originally posted by RiceHigh If the K-7 really has better and more reliable AF and AE, better and more reliable weather seal, a smaller metal but lighter body, updated and bonus features like fully functional LiveView and HD Movie, 100% viewfinder and so on.. WHY Not worth the extra money? Frankly, the K20 is a camera that I would never buy! waiting for your tests K-7 vs K20

05-19-2009, 10:24 PM	#24
snofox Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Fredericton New Brunswick Canada Photos: Albums Posts: 334	Originally posted by RiceHigh If the K-7 really has better and more reliable AF and AE, better and more reliable weather seal, a smaller metal but lighter body, updated and bonus features like fully functional LiveView and HD Movie, 100% viewfinder and so on.. WHY Not worth the extra money? Frankly, the K20 is a camera that I would never buy! AF and AE... not a problem for me with my 200D, don't anticipate it being worse on a K20D. better and more reliable weather seal I don't shoot underwater or in downpours. K200/K20 weather sealing is fine for me. a smaller metal but lighter body Even with my small hands and weak old limbs the K20D is not a problem here. I like the weight and balance of the camera. bonus features like fully functional LiveView and HD Movie, Live View is a marginally attractive extra for me. If I want HD movies I will buy a movie cam. 100% viewfinder ATTRACTIVE! In sum, I am attracted by the AF and AE a little, and a lot by the viewfinder. But not for twice as much as the K20D. Sorry, but it is too pricey for my needs. That is all there is to it. Frankly, the K20 is a camera that I would never buy I don't understand that at all. I think we are quits on this issue. FWIW I am glad that Pentax is unveiling a new camera that excites Pentax users so much. It just doesn't seem to me to be that much of an advancement over the K20D. So, that's what I am going for. Fin.

05-19-2009, 10:39 PM	#25
turbosaturn Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 75	I am waiting to see how its sensor compares to the K20D. The thing that I care most about is ISO performance. If it is a substancially better performer at ISO 1600 compared to the K20D, then I'll definately intend to purchase one. If not, then I'll be in the market for a K20D.

05-19-2009, 10:44 PM	#26
ddhytz Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Melbourne Posts: 602	Originally posted by RiceHigh If the K-7 really has better and more reliable AF and AE, better and more reliable weather seal, a smaller metal but lighter body, updated and bonus features like fully functional LiveView and HD Movie, 100% viewfinder and so on.. WHY Not worth the extra money? Frankly, the K20 is a camera that I would never buy! You are just a gadget person, not a photographer. You completely ignore one most important thing for a camera - image quality. Unless the IQ of K-7 is proved to be better than that of K20D, I don't think you can say it is worth more than a K20D.

05-19-2009, 10:57 PM	#27
RiceHigh Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Hong Kong Posts: 1,934 Original Poster	Originally posted by ddhytz You are just a gadget person, not a photographer. You completely ignore one most important thing for a camera - image quality. Unless the IQ of K-7 is proved to be better than that of K20D, I don't think you can say it is worth more than a K20D. "Gadget person" can also be a "photographer"! I can't get your "point" (which has no logic)! And, a camera is a light-tight box with focusing and exposure control. The sensor is just the film. The K20 is problematic with AF and AE, which the most two basic primitive functions what a camera does! Of course, the last Samsung sensor is buggy, too. I hope this has been mostly debugged this time!

05-19-2009, 10:59 PM	#28
gazonk Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Oslo area, Norway Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,746	Originally posted by turbosaturn I am waiting to see how its sensor compares to the K20D. The thing that I care most about is ISO performance. If it is a substancially better performer at ISO 1600 compared to the K20D, then I'll definately intend to purchase one. If not, then I'll be in the market for a K20D. I'm equally concerned with low-ISO performance. I hope it can rival my K10d at ISO 100!

05-19-2009, 11:05 PM	#30
gazonk Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Oslo area, Norway Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,746	Originally posted by ddhytz Unless the IQ of K-7 is proved to be better than that of K20D, I don't think you can say it is worth more than a K20D. IQ isn't everything, if it was, we could just as well drag pentax 67s around. As an example, if you're an action, sports or wildlife photographer, the improved fps and af of the K-7 may give you more keepers, and that may quickly pay back the price premium.