I've seen the K-7 compared to a wide range of cameras.

NothingInCommon · 05-20-2009, 04:32 PM

Let's get serious here. Which camera's are the K-7's true competitors?

Canon t1i << It may have alot of good specs, but have you actually held one? Feels like a toy.

Canon 50D

Olympus E-30

Sony DSLR-A700

Nikon D90

Nikon D300

Nikon D700 <<

wishful thinking?

Which camera do you think most closely resembles the K-7 overall ?

Last edited by NothingInCommon; 05-20-2009 at 04:48 PM.

Photomy · 05-20-2009, 04:42 PM

Olympus E-3

I think that someone at Pentax woke up and said there is no reason Olympus should have more unit sales than Pentax. I think they are targeting potential Olympus buyers with the trump card that Pentax can deliver better overall image quality.

gazonk · 05-20-2009, 04:42 PM

Originally posted by NothingInCommon

Which camera do you think most closely resembles the K-7's overall ?

The D300 should be pretty close. But the K-7 is lighter, smaller, properly sealed, has built-in SR and a video mode...

esman7 · 05-20-2009, 04:44 PM

I would guess between a d90 and a d300....

there's the video + the rugged build. The only thing the d300 really has in terms of a huge advantage is that it's full frame and has 51 point AF... the K7 is weather sealed after all

To be honest, the the K7 looks awesome, i'm glad to see they incorporated a 920,000 dot screen.

There's too many different levels now, I would not compare it to the new rebel, I agree, it feels like a toy. I'm surprised canon has gotten away with building slr's (5 so far!) that have a grip made for a 6 year old's hands

Edvinas · 05-20-2009, 04:53 PM

Originally posted by esman7

there's the video + the rugged build. The only thing the d300 really has in terms of a huge advantage is that it's full frame and has 51 point AF... the K7 is weather sealed after all

Nikon D300 is an APS-C camera.

GerryL · 05-20-2009, 04:57 PM

We will know soon enough after we all get reviews of its real specs as in IQ, noise suppression (am I thinking of a gun?) or its live view even.
Tests are a'cummin!
That will actually sell the camera!

wll · 05-20-2009, 04:59 PM

Head to head with Nikon D300

wll

Art Vandelay II · 05-20-2009, 05:05 PM

I keep seeing a lot of gadget sites mention the Rebel T1i and the Nikon D5000. These gadget blogs just see video and small size and they don't understand anything else. They are starting to remind me of Best Buy employees. Each time I see those two cameras mentioned I leave a comment attempting to edumicate the writer....yeah, I have a lot of time on my hands.

On a side note, Canon really needs a new product naming system on the Rebel line here in the US. They should switch to the euro system and just use a model number.

robgo2 · 05-20-2009, 05:08 PM

Originally posted by gazonk

The D300 should be pretty close. But the K-7 is lighter, smaller, properly sealed, has built-in SR and a video mode...

The D300 is nearly 2 years old, and any reasonable person would recognize that the K-7 surpasses it, and does so in a much smaller package. As far as I can see, the K-7 is at the head of its class, which I would consider to be the higher end APS-C cameras. All of this presumes that the camera will perform up to our expectations and not be laden with bugs and manufacturing problems.

Regarding FF cameras, I would not be surprised the the K-7 IQ will equal that of the D700 and 5D-II, except at high ISO. Does that mean that it cannot compete with them in other ways? This camera may be a bit of a category breaker. It all depends on how really good it is.

Rob

wll · 05-20-2009, 06:05 PM

Originally posted by robgo2

The D300 is nearly 2 years old, and any reasonable person would recognize that the K-7 surpasses it, and does so in a much smaller package. As far as I can see, the K-7 is at the head of its class, which I would consider to be the higher end APS-C cameras. All of this presumes that the camera will perform up to our expectations and not be laden with bugs and manufacturing problems.

Regarding FF cameras, I would not be surprised the the K-7 IQ will equal that of the D700 and 5D-II, except at high ISO. Does that mean that it cannot compete with them in other ways? This camera may be a bit of a category breaker. It all depends on how really good it is.

Rob

I think you are very correct. I believe it will rival many ff cameras to date.

wll

**monochrome** · 05-20-2009, 06:26 PM

Originally posted by wll

I think you are very correct. I believe it will rival many ff cameras to date.

wll

And a lot of reviewers will have to swallow a lot of bile to say that.

Ian Tokeo · 05-20-2009, 06:44 PM

Originally posted by Photomy

Olympus E-3

I think that someone at Pentax woke up and said there is no reason Olympus should have more unit sales than Pentax. I think they are targeting potential Olympus buyers with the trump card that Pentax can deliver better overall image quality.

I think you nailed it. Olympus, even more so than Pentax, always emphasized miniaturization. The OM-1 (and the rest of the series that followed) was a little jewel. But what's the point of the 4/3 format when the camera is bulkier than an APS-C camera that will deliver superior image quality?

NothingInCommon · 05-20-2009, 07:00 PM

Originally posted by robgo2

The D300 is nearly 2 years old, and any reasonable person would recognize that the K-7 surpasses it, and does so in a much smaller package. As far as I can see, the K-7 is at the head of its class, which I would consider to be the higher end APS-C cameras. All of this presumes that the camera will perform up to our expectations and not be laden with bugs and manufacturing problems.

Regarding FF cameras, I would not be surprised the the K-7 IQ will equal that of the D700 and 5D-II, except at high ISO. Does that mean that it cannot compete with them in other ways? This camera may be a bit of a category breaker. It all depends on how really good it is.

Rob

thats a bold statement!

I hope your right man.. because I'll be a proud owner from day 1

Wheatfield · 05-20-2009, 07:20 PM

Originally posted by robgo2

The D300 is nearly 2 years old, and any reasonable person would recognize that the K-7 surpasses it, and does so in a much smaller package. As far as I can see, the K-7 is at the head of its class, which I would consider to be the higher end APS-C cameras. All of this presumes that the camera will perform up to our expectations and not be laden with bugs and manufacturing problems.

If it's AF performs up to it's drive speed, it will be very nice indeed. This looks like a performance camera, I'm very much anticipating a satisfying jump in AF performance and overall handling.
I'm really very excited by this one, I think it's going to be one small camera for a man, one giant picture taker for mankind.

I've been lucky so far, in that none of my DSLR cameras have had any bugs, I expect this new camera to carry on in that tradition.

Quote:

Regarding FF cameras, I would not be surprised the the K-7 IQ will equal that of the D700 and 5D-II, except at high ISO. Does that mean that it cannot compete with them in other ways? This camera may be a bit of a category breaker. It all depends on how really good it is.

Rob

There will pretty much always be a disconnect in high ISO performance between APS-C and low density full frame cameras such as the D700, though I also expect the difference to get smaller over time.
The thing is, at some point, it just stops mattering.

regken · 05-20-2009, 08:08 PM

It creates a new class of DSLR, The affordable compact outdoor enthusiast. This puts Pentax into a niche that separates them from everybody else. The interesting thing is that it might be just good enough to draw sales away from the larger units and the yet to arrive smaller units that will copy the Panny GH-1.

My bet is Ben will be raving about the form factor of this thing. If the reviews show the AF speed, tracking, and low light ability is up to snuff both my K10D and Sony A700 will be going up for sale.

Let's hope the marketing department doesn't drop the ball on this one.

05-20-2009, 04:32 PM	#1
NothingInCommon Forum Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Miami Posts: 60	I've seen the K-7 compared to a wide range of cameras. Let's get serious here. Which camera's are the K-7's true competitors? Canon t1i << It may have alot of good specs, but have you actually held one? Feels like a toy. Canon 50D Olympus E-30 Sony DSLR-A700 Nikon D90 Nikon D300 Nikon D700 << wishful thinking? Which camera do you think most closely resembles the K-7 overall ? Last edited by NothingInCommon; 05-20-2009 at 04:48 PM.

05-20-2009, 08:08 PM	#15
regken Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Bangor, Maine Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,377	None of them! It creates a new class of DSLR, The affordable compact outdoor enthusiast. This puts Pentax into a niche that separates them from everybody else. The interesting thing is that it might be just good enough to draw sales away from the larger units and the yet to arrive smaller units that will copy the Panny GH-1. My bet is Ben will be raving about the form factor of this thing. If the reviews show the AF speed, tracking, and low light ability is up to snuff both my K10D and Sony A700 will be going up for sale. Let's hope the marketing department doesn't drop the ball on this one.

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05-20-2009, 04:42 PM	#2
Photomy Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Kansas City, MO Posts: 174	Olympus E-3 I think that someone at Pentax woke up and said there is no reason Olympus should have more unit sales than Pentax. I think they are targeting potential Olympus buyers with the trump card that Pentax can deliver better overall image quality.

05-20-2009, 04:42 PM	#3
gazonk Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Oslo area, Norway Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,746	Originally posted by NothingInCommon Which camera do you think most closely resembles the K-7's overall ? The D300 should be pretty close. But the K-7 is lighter, smaller, properly sealed, has built-in SR and a video mode...

05-20-2009, 04:44 PM	#4
esman7 Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 322	I would guess between a d90 and a d300.... there's the video + the rugged build. The only thing the d300 really has in terms of a huge advantage is that it's full frame and has 51 point AF... the K7 is weather sealed after all To be honest, the the K7 looks awesome, i'm glad to see they incorporated a 920,000 dot screen. There's too many different levels now, I would not compare it to the new rebel, I agree, it feels like a toy. I'm surprised canon has gotten away with building slr's (5 so far!) that have a grip made for a 6 year old's hands

05-20-2009, 04:53 PM	#5
Edvinas Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Kaunas Posts: 1,458	Originally posted by esman7 there's the video + the rugged build. The only thing the d300 really has in terms of a huge advantage is that it's full frame and has 51 point AF... the K7 is weather sealed after all Nikon D300 is an APS-C camera.

05-20-2009, 04:57 PM	#6
GerryL Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: CA Posts: 2,731	We will know soon enough after we all get reviews of its real specs as in IQ, noise suppression (am I thinking of a gun?) or its live view even. Tests are a'cummin! That will actually sell the camera!

05-20-2009, 04:59 PM	#7
wll Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Mission Hills, CA Posts: 773	Head to head with Nikon D300 wll

05-20-2009, 05:05 PM	#8
Art Vandelay II Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Charlotte, NC Photos: Gallery Posts: 886	I keep seeing a lot of gadget sites mention the Rebel T1i and the Nikon D5000. These gadget blogs just see video and small size and they don't understand anything else. They are starting to remind me of Best Buy employees. Each time I see those two cameras mentioned I leave a comment attempting to edumicate the writer....yeah, I have a lot of time on my hands. On a side note, Canon really needs a new product naming system on the Rebel line here in the US. They should switch to the euro system and just use a model number.

05-20-2009, 05:08 PM	#9
robgo2 Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: New Mexico Photos: Albums Posts: 1,125	Originally posted by gazonk The D300 should be pretty close. But the K-7 is lighter, smaller, properly sealed, has built-in SR and a video mode... The D300 is nearly 2 years old, and any reasonable person would recognize that the K-7 surpasses it, and does so in a much smaller package. As far as I can see, the K-7 is at the head of its class, which I would consider to be the higher end APS-C cameras. All of this presumes that the camera will perform up to our expectations and not be laden with bugs and manufacturing problems. Regarding FF cameras, I would not be surprised the the K-7 IQ will equal that of the D700 and 5D-II, except at high ISO. Does that mean that it cannot compete with them in other ways? This camera may be a bit of a category breaker. It all depends on how really good it is. Rob

05-20-2009, 06:05 PM	#10
wll Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Mission Hills, CA Posts: 773	Originally posted by robgo2 The D300 is nearly 2 years old, and any reasonable person would recognize that the K-7 surpasses it, and does so in a much smaller package. As far as I can see, the K-7 is at the head of its class, which I would consider to be the higher end APS-C cameras. All of this presumes that the camera will perform up to our expectations and not be laden with bugs and manufacturing problems. Regarding FF cameras, I would not be surprised the the K-7 IQ will equal that of the D700 and 5D-II, except at high ISO. Does that mean that it cannot compete with them in other ways? This camera may be a bit of a category breaker. It all depends on how really good it is. Rob I think you are very correct. I believe it will rival many ff cameras to date. wll

05-20-2009, 06:26 PM	#11
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Originally posted by wll I think you are very correct. I believe it will rival many ff cameras to date. wll And a lot of reviewers will have to swallow a lot of bile to say that.

05-20-2009, 06:44 PM	#12
Ian Tokeo Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Montana Photos: Gallery Posts: 52	Originally posted by Photomy Olympus E-3 I think that someone at Pentax woke up and said there is no reason Olympus should have more unit sales than Pentax. I think they are targeting potential Olympus buyers with the trump card that Pentax can deliver better overall image quality. I think you nailed it. Olympus, even more so than Pentax, always emphasized miniaturization. The OM-1 (and the rest of the series that followed) was a little jewel. But what's the point of the 4/3 format when the camera is bulkier than an APS-C camera that will deliver superior image quality?

05-20-2009, 07:00 PM	#13
NothingInCommon Forum Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Miami Posts: 60 Original Poster	Originally posted by robgo2 The D300 is nearly 2 years old, and any reasonable person would recognize that the K-7 surpasses it, and does so in a much smaller package. As far as I can see, the K-7 is at the head of its class, which I would consider to be the higher end APS-C cameras. All of this presumes that the camera will perform up to our expectations and not be laden with bugs and manufacturing problems. Regarding FF cameras, I would not be surprised the the K-7 IQ will equal that of the D700 and 5D-II, except at high ISO. Does that mean that it cannot compete with them in other ways? This camera may be a bit of a category breaker. It all depends on how really good it is. Rob thats a bold statement! I hope your right man.. because I'll be a proud owner from day 1

05-20-2009, 07:20 PM	#14
Wheatfield Moderator Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: The wheatfields of Canada Posts: 15,981	Originally posted by robgo2 The D300 is nearly 2 years old, and any reasonable person would recognize that the K-7 surpasses it, and does so in a much smaller package. As far as I can see, the K-7 is at the head of its class, which I would consider to be the higher end APS-C cameras. All of this presumes that the camera will perform up to our expectations and not be laden with bugs and manufacturing problems. If it's AF performs up to it's drive speed, it will be very nice indeed. This looks like a performance camera, I'm very much anticipating a satisfying jump in AF performance and overall handling. I'm really very excited by this one, I think it's going to be one small camera for a man, one giant picture taker for mankind. I've been lucky so far, in that none of my DSLR cameras have had any bugs, I expect this new camera to carry on in that tradition. Quote: Regarding FF cameras, I would not be surprised the the K-7 IQ will equal that of the D700 and 5D-II, except at high ISO. Does that mean that it cannot compete with them in other ways? This camera may be a bit of a category breaker. It all depends on how really good it is. Rob There will pretty much always be a disconnect in high ISO performance between APS-C and low density full frame cameras such as the D700, though I also expect the difference to get smaller over time. The thing is, at some point, it just stops mattering.