Originally posted by Timarete The portrait has blown highlights and soft resolution. Why would they post something like that as an official shot? You'd think they could use the best possible glass and keep snapping until they get it right.
I love high-key portraiture
Originally posted by mickey I don't think that's the case at all.
The majority of posters here have posted they are somewhere between satisfied to overwhelmed with the K-7 from what they've seen so far.
Then you come here, as usual, and post negatively about it, and blame everyone else for not wanting to believe your negative comments.
Agree that everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but I say you try to force yours as gospel.
To me, it looks like a great piece of kit.
This Sunday, I will get to try it at an event in Tokyo.
Looking forward to hearing how you like it.
Regarding your statement on opinion, I have a friend from back in school, who is exactly the way you describe. Where it is not a matter of logic anymore. He can be very hard to reach, on some subjects.
Originally posted by Digitalis a child would destroy the world if it had the power.
- Sigmund Freud.
I think there is some truth in this, though a strong statement
Originally posted by Stefan Carey It is the same as last time (K-m), and the time before (K20).
New Pentax Camera > sample shots released > "somehow not right". Predictable and irritating. I am surprised Pentax keep failing to realise what goes on in these forums, and when a new camera is released people love making snap judgements based on one photographer's personal preferences in a few samples.
I think judgments based on a few samples posted on another site in another language is unscientific, emotional and imprecise. We don't even know what the page with the sample say. (Pentax pull your finger out and post samples with English text, or remind your web marketing team what they're employed for.)
Making big statements based on a few JPG samples is like judging a meal based on how well cooked one pea is, e.g. one pea is slightly uncooked, let's throw the entire meal away.
Some statements appear to obsess over valid minor details, made more than likely with the right intentions. OK Ricehigh, so there might be some underexposure, but what are the benefits to a photographer of this design approach? Are there any? Will it help my workflow? Could it help me find more detail when I really need it? I think the proof is in the beautiful images we can make with these great cameras and lenses.
Supposedly my K-m produced rubbish jpgs based on the initial samples when they came out late last year. But then we see otherwise as soon as people take a few shots of their own.
Why not wait for a while. And cut each other some slack. RH's intentions are probably to help Pentax be a better manufacturer, but his way of displaying these intentions are often too forceful to be understood as helpful.
These shots are so beautiful, I wish I could take pictures like that. Are they from the DFA 100/2.8 macro ?
Originally posted by falconeye @RiceHigh:
Thanks for having a careful eye on the exposure topic. I see your reason for being cautious. As for the four images, I had an examination as well. So, let's share our results:
RESULTS:
All four images: K-7 firmware 1.0. JPG filters and shadow processing unknown.
Img #1: Matrix, +0.3EV, histogram slightly clipped in the highlights, with some room in the blacks. Would have been "perfect" at 0EV. But +0.3EV gives it more "popp".
Img #2: Center-weighted, +0.7EV, histogram has some room on both sides. Would have been perfect at +1EV.
Img #3: Matrix, +0.7EV, histogram minimally clipped on both sides. A perfect "to the right" exposure would probably have been at +0.3 or 0EV, with shadows recoverable in Raw. But +0.7EV gives it more "popp".
Img #4: Center-weighted, +0.7EV, histogram has some room on both sides. A perfect "to the right" exposure would probably have been at +1.3EV.
Let's have a closer look at Img #4 as it seems the most "underexposed". There are 77 metering zone read-outs. Unfortunately, PhotoMe only display the first 16 of them, thinking it is a traditional Pentax meter
These first 16 readings (probably the upper edge) is between 8.8 and 9.3 EV. The effective EV of the exposure is 11EV (incl. +0.7EV compensation -- would be 10.3 without).
So, the K-7 "metered" about 1 and 1.5 EV "brighter" than the image's upper edge, i.e., a lot brighter than the center. But as we know, it should have metered 3 EV brighter
Not much more we can say here before we know all 77 metering values.
So, what must be our verdict here:
For Spot Metering:
The test would have been if a 18% grey card would have come out 11% grey (with the sRGB profile, I believe, the right number was 11%). No test case supplied in the samples. This is an industry norm. A vendor has no freedom here (But some vendors are known to break the standard for non-pro cameras here. So far, Pentax (D)SLRs have always adhered to the standard, though.
For Center-weighted metering:
Two test cases supplied (incl. Img #4). Manufacturers have more freedom in interpreting metering values. However, there is only a single metering value available: the weighted average over zones. Here, it doesn't make any significant difference if the average is over 16 or 77 values. Almost identical result. If the average metering would be interpreted as 18% grey, most images would be heavily underexposed (think of snow
) So, most vendors go for some arbitrary figure higher than 18%. If you know this figure for various vendors, you can cross-compare vendors by adjusting EV compensation for the respective target luminance. Pentax is known to be more conservative than some other vendors here which, in the first place, is a good thing. No final conclusion for center-weighted metering can be reached because the center meter readings are not known.
For Matrix metering:
Two test cases supplied. Manufacturers here can combine position and value of all metering values, not just a single value. E.g., they could guess the scene type, or use the variance between zones to guess the 0.01% clip-off barrier, etc. This is the only mode yet of interest with the K-7. Both supplied samples would have been absolutely perfectly exposed without EV compensation applied.
Final verdict:
The exposure in the 4 samples leaves nothing to be desired, from what can be told from available data.
Thanks for your, as always, thorough and well balanced evaluation
Originally posted by RiceHigh For the days Pentax didn't listen to me and reacted and rectify their problems, their sales had been declining from year to year! Now, I guess they have done something right and I bet the sales will go up again!
The K10 was a homerun, a great success that landed Pentax two digit percentage of market share in important areas, and putting them comfortably third place in DSLR market.
If you were criticizing the K10, then it could hardly have had much of an impact. That one was a major comeback.
You’ve been helpful at sometimes providing some info that I was missing. And bringing interesting input, as of late.
But if you quickly jump to conclusions, or base it on false data, then you can go wrong again, like what happened here :
https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-news-rumors/45726-pentax-slips-1-6...tml#post474484
(BTW, this is not a personal critique, as I said, I liked that you provided some info on a difference between Samsung and Pentax, for me. And I read with interest your Pentax FF glass, on the Eos 5D).
I think it is great, if the K7 is the camera that you wanted Pentax to produce, and that it will make you happy.
Just don’t take the fun out of your photography, by focusing on miniscule details, when the fact is that all brands will have their quirky ways.
Best of luck with it