K-7 Image Samples from Japan

RiceHigh · 05-23-2009, 02:56 AM

Originally posted by ddhytz

Maybe you want to consider that as those samples all have +0.3EV to +0.7EV exposure compensation!

Oh, no, I don't want to repeat that again! If Pentax do not cure the problem this time, I shall not buy the K-7!

Kunzite · 05-23-2009, 03:02 AM

Yes, yes, we know the story, an endless series of messages on your blog (with an appropriate amount of flooding on all the forums you're still allowed to post on) stating that a Pentax camera should overexpose, just because you want it - and how your 5D is sooo much better.

Go away.

**RuiC** · 05-23-2009, 03:20 AM

Originally posted by UK-K20-User

Now they look nice

I can forgive for photo #1 because she is so pretty, but the other photos just STINK

Rui

**RuiC** · 05-23-2009, 03:28 AM

Originally posted by Kunzite

Yes, yes, we know the story, an endless series of messages on your blog (with an appropriate amount of flooding on all the forums you're still allowed to post on) stating that a Pentax camera should overexpose, just because you want it - and how your 5D is sooo much better.

Go away.

I think that RiceHigh is just about right. For a brand like Pentax the expectations are so high that they should have been more careful picking a handful of images to show, wouldn't you? In an overall appreciation those are stinking. I could forgive #1 'cause she's pretty and as you can see my judgment became biased on this one. Be realistic.

Rui

Kunzite · 05-23-2009, 03:34 AM

RuiC, I agree with this: they should have been more carefully. They should realize people will not print those images, but pixel peep them to death. For this, very true, they stink.
But RiceHigh is talking about exposure metering, and that's another story. Can you honestly say the K-7 is not metering properly, based on those samples?

benjikan · 05-23-2009, 03:35 AM

Originally posted by RuiC

I think that RiceHigh is just about right. For a brand like Pentax the expectations are so high that they should have been more careful picking a handful of images to show, wouldn't you? In an overall appreciation those are stinking. I could forgive #1 'cause she's pretty and as you can see my judgment became biased on this one. Be realistic.

Rui

They should have let me use the K7 for one of my Fashion shoots that would actually be published...

jaad75 · 05-23-2009, 03:39 AM

Originally posted by RiceHigh

So, they (Pentax) intended to cheat??

Too bad.. And, pls teach us how to see the info *deep* inside the EXIF!

RiceHigh · 05-23-2009, 03:46 AM

Originally posted by Kunzite

Yes, yes, we know the story, an endless series of messages on your blog (with an appropriate amount of flooding on all the forums you're still allowed to post on) stating that a Pentax camera should overexpose, just because you want it - and how your 5D is sooo much better.

Go away.

Nope, you're totally wrong. Just the 300D had been so much better than any Pentax DSLRs up till now, as far as exposure and metering accuracy is concerned!

I hope the K-7 would be different. Thats my own hope.

And, no one forces you to read or even to respond to my posts, you can go away *yourself*!

RiceHigh · 05-23-2009, 03:49 AM

Originally posted by jaad75

Oh, I see. You have an eagle eye and careful mind, I must say. Brilliant!

But too bad that Pentax's people have cheated. I always hate people who are inhonest!

WHY they had to edit the EXIF data if it is not so?? They should have to wait for the production firmware out before they posted the samples. Posting beta samples and cheated Pentaxians those are production ones is silly and ridiculous, which will only hurt themselves!

**RuiC** · 05-23-2009, 03:53 AM

Originally posted by benjikan

They should have let me use the K7 for one of my Fashion shoots that would actually be published...

You're getting to the point Ben. I believe they could have turned a little better.

**RuiC** · 05-23-2009, 04:01 AM

Originally posted by Kunzite

RuiC, I agree with this: they should have been more carefully. They should realize people will not print those images, but pixel peep them to death. For this, very true, they stink.
But RiceHigh is talking about exposure metering, and that's another story. Can you honestly say the K-7 is not metering properly, based on those samples?

To be honest I only wanted to bash those photo qualities. As for metering, you'll always have to adjust EV, either on the camera or in PS. But maybe it is a bit earlier to make assumptions. Anyway metering is part of the IQ.

Rui

Kunzite · 05-23-2009, 04:17 AM

RuiC: true, it's still early to make assumptions. But from those samples, metering doesn't look bad (it's OK also on my K20D).
I would join you in bashing the samples, but I'll wait for better ones (with final hardware/firmware) instead.

RiceHigh: "I always hate people who are inhonest! " - so , you hate yourself?

Like, hmm... leaking info on your blog in order to generate traffic, pretending you're impressed with the new camera and now "finding out" it's not metering "properly", i.e. it's not overexposing without using +0.3EV?

The "300D *was* so much better" is also a lie. And not having a clue about how current Pentax cameras behaves is not an excuse.
Btw, you posting here is like someone in a room full of people shouting nonsense. It's you the one who must go away (as it happened on other forums). Hopefully, when you will go full speed ahead with your usual routine (Pentax bashing on your blog, flooding this forum with links - do I have to say it?) the admin will decide it's enough.

RiceHigh · 05-23-2009, 04:35 AM

Originally posted by Kunzite

RiceHigh: "I always hate people who are inhonest! " - so , you hate yourself?

Like, hmm... leaking info on your blog in order to generate traffic, pretending you're impressed with the new camera and now "finding out" it's not metering "properly",

So, here you go again. If you do not have any evidence, don't make any defamation on me further!

Every Pentaxian was talking about the new K since later April, why I am alone could not post what I heard and knew at my blog?

Mind you that I had and have no NDA with Pentax and I have no relationship of any kind with them, directly or indirectly. So, whats the problem? You were the only one whom did not discuss the new K during the period?

I am not "pretended" to be impressed with the K-7. The K-7 is really impressive - nothing arguable here. But then whether it will be really living up to the hypes would be another story, practically.

Don't put words on my mouth and put so many guilts on me unethically further, this only hurts your own integrity and image.

Quote:

i.e. it's not overexposing without using +0.3EV?

The "300D *was* so much better" is also a lie. And not having a clue about how current Pentax cameras behaves is not an excuse.

I have used any Pentax DSLR ever produced and many people has reported about the problems of their metering system (and AF as well). If you do not have any problem with your K20D, thats fine. But that will not change what my opinions and others as well for those who have found problems.

Quote:

Btw, you posting here is like someone in a room full of people shouting nonsense. It's you the one who must go away (as it happened on other forums). Hopefully, when you will go full speed ahead with your usual routine (Pentax bashing on your blog, flooding this forum with links - do I have to say it?) the admin will decide it's enough.

That would be my last repsonse to you. I found that to "discuss" with people like you is of real "nonsense" and just a waste of my valuable time!

ogl · 05-23-2009, 08:33 AM

All photos from Pentax.jp are made in M mode.
Developed in in-camera converter.

FIRST PHOTO

Quality SuperFine
Saturation 0
Hue 0
Key 0
Sharpness -2
Contrast 0

Third photo
F10 and 1/13. Strong wind.
I bet F10 of DA12-24 is worse than F4.

The photo with car is not bad.

Why do you think that photos from in-camera RAW converter should be OUTSTANDING? Is it SUPER program?

Why do you think that in-camera RAW converter better than ACR/LR/RAW THERAPY/С1?

Stratman · 05-23-2009, 12:50 PM

Originally posted by RiceHigh

Or +0.7EV??

My *ist D and K100D needed to be compensated from -0.5 to +1.5EV for quite some "normal" scenes, although I set them to +0.5 most of the time with DA lenses. So, what should I do? I really don't want the K-7 to be such again!

My 5D and my Canon/Nikon DSLRs at work don't have similar problem, why almost all Pentax DSLRs I have used (including the K20) alone should do more frequent compensations and in larger values? The K-m is a bit better but problem is still there.

Then why don't you just use your perfect Canons, and leave us horrible Pentax users alone?

05-23-2009, 03:28 AM	#94
RuiC Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Lisboa - The best destination in Europe Posts: 633	Be realistic Originally posted by Kunzite Yes, yes, we know the story, an endless series of messages on your blog (with an appropriate amount of flooding on all the forums you're still allowed to post on) stating that a Pentax camera should overexpose, just because you want it - and how your 5D is sooo much better. Go away. I think that RiceHigh is just about right. For a brand like Pentax the expectations are so high that they should have been more careful picking a handful of images to show, wouldn't you? In an overall appreciation those are stinking. I could forgive #1 'cause she's pretty and as you can see my judgment became biased on this one. Be realistic. Rui

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05-23-2009, 02:56 AM	#91
RiceHigh Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Hong Kong Posts: 1,934	Originally posted by ddhytz Maybe you want to consider that as those samples all have +0.3EV to +0.7EV exposure compensation! Oh, no, I don't want to repeat that again! If Pentax do not cure the problem this time, I shall not buy the K-7!

05-23-2009, 03:02 AM	#92
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Yes, yes, we know the story, an endless series of messages on your blog (with an appropriate amount of flooding on all the forums you're still allowed to post on) stating that a Pentax camera should overexpose, just because you want it - and how your 5D is sooo much better. Go away.

05-23-2009, 03:20 AM	#93
RuiC Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Lisboa - The best destination in Europe Posts: 633	Originally posted by UK-K20-User Now they look nice I can forgive for photo #1 because she is so pretty, but the other photos just STINK Rui

05-23-2009, 03:34 AM	#95
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	RuiC, I agree with this: they should have been more carefully. They should realize people will not print those images, but pixel peep them to death. For this, very true, they stink. But RiceHigh is talking about exposure metering, and that's another story. Can you honestly say the K-7 is not metering properly, based on those samples?

05-23-2009, 03:35 AM	#96
benjikan Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Paris, France Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,308	Originally posted by RuiC I think that RiceHigh is just about right. For a brand like Pentax the expectations are so high that they should have been more careful picking a handful of images to show, wouldn't you? In an overall appreciation those are stinking. I could forgive #1 'cause she's pretty and as you can see my judgment became biased on this one. Be realistic. Rui They should have let me use the K7 for one of my Fashion shoots that would actually be published...

05-23-2009, 03:39 AM	#97
jaad75 Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Cracow Posts: 457	Originally posted by RiceHigh So, they (Pentax) intended to cheat?? Too bad.. And, pls teach us how to see the info deep inside the EXIF!

05-23-2009, 03:46 AM	#98
RiceHigh Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Hong Kong Posts: 1,934	Originally posted by Kunzite Yes, yes, we know the story, an endless series of messages on your blog (with an appropriate amount of flooding on all the forums you're still allowed to post on) stating that a Pentax camera should overexpose, just because you want it - and how your 5D is sooo much better. Go away. Nope, you're totally wrong. Just the 300D had been so much better than any Pentax DSLRs up till now, as far as exposure and metering accuracy is concerned! I hope the K-7 would be different. Thats my own hope. And, no one forces you to read or even to respond to my posts, you can go away yourself!

05-23-2009, 03:49 AM	#99
RiceHigh Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Hong Kong Posts: 1,934	Originally posted by jaad75 Oh, I see. You have an eagle eye and careful mind, I must say. Brilliant! But too bad that Pentax's people have cheated. I always hate people who are inhonest! WHY they had to edit the EXIF data if it is not so?? They should have to wait for the production firmware out before they posted the samples. Posting beta samples and cheated Pentaxians those are production ones is silly and ridiculous, which will only hurt themselves!

05-23-2009, 03:53 AM	#100
RuiC Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Lisboa - The best destination in Europe Posts: 633	Originally posted by benjikan They should have let me use the K7 for one of my Fashion shoots that would actually be published... You're getting to the point Ben. I believe they could have turned a little better.

05-23-2009, 04:01 AM	#101
RuiC Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Lisboa - The best destination in Europe Posts: 633	Originally posted by Kunzite RuiC, I agree with this: they should have been more carefully. They should realize people will not print those images, but pixel peep them to death. For this, very true, they stink. But RiceHigh is talking about exposure metering, and that's another story. Can you honestly say the K-7 is not metering properly, based on those samples? To be honest I only wanted to bash those photo qualities. As for metering, you'll always have to adjust EV, either on the camera or in PS. But maybe it is a bit earlier to make assumptions. Anyway metering is part of the IQ. Rui

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05-23-2009, 04:17 AM	#102
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	RuiC: true, it's still early to make assumptions. But from those samples, metering doesn't look bad (it's OK also on my K20D). I would join you in bashing the samples, but I'll wait for better ones (with final hardware/firmware) instead. RiceHigh: "I always hate people who are inhonest! " - so , you hate yourself? Like, hmm... leaking info on your blog in order to generate traffic, pretending you're impressed with the new camera and now "finding out" it's not metering "properly", i.e. it's not overexposing without using +0.3EV? The "300D was so much better" is also a lie. And not having a clue about how current Pentax cameras behaves is not an excuse. Btw, you posting here is like someone in a room full of people shouting nonsense. It's you the one who must go away (as it happened on other forums). Hopefully, when you will go full speed ahead with your usual routine (Pentax bashing on your blog, flooding this forum with links - do I have to say it?) the admin will decide it's enough.

05-23-2009, 04:35 AM	#103
RiceHigh Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Hong Kong Posts: 1,934	Originally posted by Kunzite RiceHigh: "I always hate people who are inhonest! " - so , you hate yourself? Like, hmm... leaking info on your blog in order to generate traffic, pretending you're impressed with the new camera and now "finding out" it's not metering "properly", So, here you go again. If you do not have any evidence, don't make any defamation on me further! Every Pentaxian was talking about the new K since later April, why I am alone could not post what I heard and knew at my blog? Mind you that I had and have no NDA with Pentax and I have no relationship of any kind with them, directly or indirectly. So, whats the problem? You were the only one whom did not discuss the new K during the period? I am not "pretended" to be impressed with the K-7. The K-7 is really impressive - nothing arguable here. But then whether it will be really living up to the hypes would be another story, practically. Don't put words on my mouth and put so many guilts on me unethically further, this only hurts your own integrity and image. Quote: i.e. it's not overexposing without using +0.3EV? The "300D was so much better" is also a lie. And not having a clue about how current Pentax cameras behaves is not an excuse. I have used any Pentax DSLR ever produced and many people has reported about the problems of their metering system (and AF as well). If you do not have any problem with your K20D, thats fine. But that will not change what my opinions and others as well for those who have found problems. Quote: Btw, you posting here is like someone in a room full of people shouting nonsense. It's you the one who must go away (as it happened on other forums). Hopefully, when you will go full speed ahead with your usual routine (Pentax bashing on your blog, flooding this forum with links - do I have to say it?) the admin will decide it's enough. That would be my last repsonse to you. I found that to "discuss" with people like you is of real "nonsense" and just a waste of my valuable time!

05-23-2009, 08:33 AM	#104
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	All photos from Pentax.jp are made in M mode. Developed in in-camera converter. FIRST PHOTO Quality SuperFine Saturation 0 Hue 0 Key 0 Sharpness -2 Contrast 0 Third photo F10 and 1/13. Strong wind. I bet F10 of DA12-24 is worse than F4. The photo with car is not bad. Why do you think that photos from in-camera RAW converter should be OUTSTANDING? Is it SUPER program? Why do you think that in-camera RAW converter better than ACR/LR/RAW THERAPY/С1?

05-23-2009, 12:50 PM	#105
Stratman Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: St Louis, Missouri U S A Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,464	Originally posted by RiceHigh Or +0.7EV?? My *ist D and K100D needed to be compensated from -0.5 to +1.5EV for quite some "normal" scenes, although I set them to +0.5 most of the time with DA lenses. So, what should I do? I really don't want the K-7 to be such again! My 5D and my Canon/Nikon DSLRs at work don't have similar problem, why almost all Pentax DSLRs I have used (including the K20) alone should do more frequent compensations and in larger values? The K-m is a bit better but problem is still there. Then why don't you just use your perfect Canons, and leave us horrible Pentax users alone?