Could the K-7 be the new LX??

**carlb** · 05-21-2009, 01:57 AM

The K-7 certainly seems to have excited a lot of people and the specs, build, design etc all seem really good. So do the members think that based on what we know so far, that the K-7 could be Pentax's LX for the digital era (at least for now).

I'm not sure if this is the right place for this so the mods are free to move it if they like

RiceHigh · 05-21-2009, 02:03 AM

Originally posted by carlb

The K-7 certainly seems to have excited a lot of people and the specs, build, design etc all seem really good. So do the members think that based on what we know so far, that the K-7 could be Pentax's LX for the digital era (at least for now).

I'm not sure if this is the right place for this so the mods are free to move it if they like

of 1/75s

Now, people suggested that the K-7 is even a bit slower than the bottom-of-line Canon DSLR, the 1000D, which has a 1/200s X-sync.

feronovak · 05-21-2009, 03:28 AM

Originally posted by RiceHigh

of 1/75s

Now, people suggested that the K-7 is even a bit slower than the bottom-of-line Canon DSLR, the 1000D, which has a 1/200s X-sync.

Come on, how many people will use flash and that sync? I am trying to avoid flash use at all costs as it degrades photography ... I am sure that sometimes you simply have to use is you can still HSS cant you?

and · 05-21-2009, 03:33 AM

Originally posted by feronovak

Come on, how many people will use flash and that sync? I am trying to avoid flash use at all costs as it degrades photography ... I am sure that sometimes you simply have to use is you can still HSS cant you?

Flash degrades photography?

wow most proffessional portrait photography are examples of degraded photography, i did not know.

can just use HSS...

seems x sync is the most misunderstood feature of dslrs, dont we have a knowledge base article on this...

mattdm · 05-21-2009, 04:12 AM

Originally posted by and

can just use HSS...

seems x sync is the most misunderstood feature of dslrs, dont we have a knowledge base article on this...

I've seen many people (not necessarily here) under the misconception that the x-sync speed is the best motion-stopping speed the camera is capable of getting from a flash. But of course if the ambient light isn't significant for the aperture/ISO you've selected, it's only the flash pulse duration that matters.

RiceHigh · 05-21-2009, 04:14 AM

Originally posted by feronovak

Come on, how many people will use flash and that sync? I am trying to avoid flash use at all costs as it degrades photography ... I am sure that sometimes you simply have to use is you can still HSS cant you?

HSS degrades flash output power by more than half and they consume much battery energy!

RiceHigh · 05-21-2009, 04:15 AM

Originally posted by mattdm

I've seen many people (not necessarily here) under the misconception that the x-sync speed is the best motion-stopping speed the camera is capable of getting from a flash. But of course if the ambient light isn't significant for the aperture/ISO you've selected, it's only the flash pulse duration that matters.

X-sync is the best motion-stopping speed for *ambient* light shooting! Believe it or not!

and · 05-21-2009, 04:17 AM

Originally posted by mattdm

I've seen many people (not necessarily here) under the misconception that the x-sync speed is the best motion-stopping speed the camera is capable of getting from a flash. But of course if the ambient light isn't significant for the aperture/ISO you've selected, it's only the flash pulse duration that matters.

that is correct.
one thing i keep seeing is people who think hss is a substitute for fast x sync when hss doesnt have the power, the motion stopping capabilities or simply the compatibilities (studio strobes, triggering via pocket wizards etcetcetcetc) that regular x sync does.

whatever7 · 05-21-2009, 05:26 AM

I think is in the MZ-S class, not quite the LX class.

LX with a waist finder probably goes for the same amount in the used market as a MZ-S right now. Which one would you pick, I pick the LX.

feronovak · 05-21-2009, 07:23 AM

Originally posted by and

Flash degrades photography?

wow most proffessional portrait photography are examples of degraded photography, i did not know.

can just use HSS...

seems x sync is the most misunderstood feature of dslrs, dont we have a knowledge base article on this...

But that is very specific kind of photography do you agree? As well as wedding photography. This camera is aimed at outdoor activity and frankly you dont need flash in these situations ...

stanleyk · 05-21-2009, 07:44 AM

"This camera is aimed at outdoor activity and frankly you dont need flash in these situations ..."

I would tend to agree with you. I own both a K10D and a K20D and have never used the flash. Perhaps Pentax's ideal market is not fashion/portrait with flash photography.

I'm not big on the DPR reveiws (really a person should just try a camera out themselves to see if it's right for them) but I think the reviewer is correct about this:

"Its spec isn't quite what the rumors might have suggested, but it still manages to look an awful lot like the wish-list of most enthusiast photographers (though one based in reality, rather than the increasingly surreal suggestions being churned out by the rumor mill)."

A camera can't be all things to all photographers.

And I still say the real value of the Pentax brand is in the following:

1) Construction. Great for outdoor photography where you could drop it.
2) Backward compatibility of lenses. This is a big plus for me because I like buying and trying a lot of lenses and I'm not rich. Each one has a different characteristics. The goal of photography really shouldn't be that every lens takes exactly the same photo. Where's the fun in that?
3) New digital lens selection. I don't think Nikon or Cannon have anything like the little DA 15, 21, 40, and 70. Again those lenses aren't for everyone, but if you like going out and walking around taking pictures they are great. I have the 40 and the 21. I will be getting the 15 and the 70 soon. I much rather have those than a huge zoom lens. But that's my preference strictly so the Pentax system is perfect for me. I have no issues with changing the lens.

In the end Pentax is not going to be a camera for everyone.

And.....I cannot wait to get the K 7. My niece is getting into photography and I'm going to give her my K 10, with a heavy heart. But....she only gets the kit lens!

CaymanImaging · 05-21-2009, 07:48 AM

Originally posted by feronovak

But that is very specific kind of photography do you agree? As well as wedding photography. This camera is aimed at outdoor activity and frankly you dont need flash in these situations ...

I'm am one of those that needs it! I do weddings and indoor portraits. I was so happy when they put it on the 20.

and · 05-21-2009, 08:21 AM

you need fast x sync more outdoors than indoors, indoors the ambient is controllable unless its coming in through the windows (in which case you can close the curtains) but outdoors you cannot control the ambient directly, but you can control it with the shutter speed which only affects the ambient and not the flash exposure, this is a very powerfull situation where you control 2 exposures in 1 image and and choose to, say, if you are taking a picture of someone, to let the background be 1 stop darker than the person, or 3 stops if you so choose, brighter if you want high key.

once you are at your highest x sync then your only option is to do a power battle with the sun by reducing iso and increasing aperture and flash output power, often if you are using a hotshoe flash then you will be loosing this battle.

the people who say flash ruins a photograph, I have been there too, but the truth is if it does then you are not using it correctly. homework for you guys is to read strobist

RiceHigh · 05-21-2009, 09:20 AM

Originally posted by feronovak

But that is very specific kind of photography do you agree? As well as wedding photography. This camera is aimed at outdoor activity and frankly you dont need flash in these situations ...

Shooting *outdoor wedding* does require daylight fill flash!

feronovak · 05-21-2009, 09:23 AM

Originally posted by RiceHigh

Shooting *outdoor wedding* does require daylight fill flash!

you ignored my ideas on purpose .... this is not wedding camera, get a d700 for professional weddings ...

05-21-2009, 01:57 AM	#1
carlb Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Perth, Western Australia Posts: 1,162	Could the K-7 be the new LX?? The K-7 certainly seems to have excited a lot of people and the specs, build, design etc all seem really good. So do the members think that based on what we know so far, that the K-7 could be Pentax's LX for the digital era (at least for now). I'm not sure if this is the right place for this so the mods are free to move it if they like

05-21-2009, 02:03 AM	#2
RiceHigh Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Hong Kong Posts: 1,934	Yes, the LX has a slow X-sync! ;=) Originally posted by carlb The K-7 certainly seems to have excited a lot of people and the specs, build, design etc all seem really good. So do the members think that based on what we know so far, that the K-7 could be Pentax's LX for the digital era (at least for now). I'm not sure if this is the right place for this so the mods are free to move it if they like of 1/75s Now, people suggested that the K-7 is even a bit slower than the bottom-of-line Canon DSLR, the 1000D, which has a 1/200s X-sync.

05-21-2009, 03:28 AM	#3
feronovak Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: London, UK Photos: Gallery Posts: 123	Originally posted by RiceHigh of 1/75s Now, people suggested that the K-7 is even a bit slower than the bottom-of-line Canon DSLR, the 1000D, which has a 1/200s X-sync. Come on, how many people will use flash and that sync? I am trying to avoid flash use at all costs as it degrades photography ... I am sure that sometimes you simply have to use is you can still HSS cant you?

05-21-2009, 03:33 AM	#4
and Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,476	Originally posted by feronovak Come on, how many people will use flash and that sync? I am trying to avoid flash use at all costs as it degrades photography ... I am sure that sometimes you simply have to use is you can still HSS cant you? Flash degrades photography? wow most proffessional portrait photography are examples of degraded photography, i did not know. can just use HSS... seems x sync is the most misunderstood feature of dslrs, dont we have a knowledge base article on this...

05-21-2009, 04:12 AM	#5
mattdm Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Boston, MA Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,948	Originally posted by and can just use HSS... seems x sync is the most misunderstood feature of dslrs, dont we have a knowledge base article on this... I've seen many people (not necessarily here) under the misconception that the x-sync speed is the best motion-stopping speed the camera is capable of getting from a flash. But of course if the ambient light isn't significant for the aperture/ISO you've selected, it's only the flash pulse duration that matters.

05-21-2009, 04:14 AM	#6
RiceHigh Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Hong Kong Posts: 1,934	Originally posted by feronovak Come on, how many people will use flash and that sync? I am trying to avoid flash use at all costs as it degrades photography ... I am sure that sometimes you simply have to use is you can still HSS cant you? HSS degrades flash output power by more than half and they consume much battery energy!

05-21-2009, 04:15 AM	#7
RiceHigh Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Hong Kong Posts: 1,934	Originally posted by mattdm I've seen many people (not necessarily here) under the misconception that the x-sync speed is the best motion-stopping speed the camera is capable of getting from a flash. But of course if the ambient light isn't significant for the aperture/ISO you've selected, it's only the flash pulse duration that matters. X-sync is the best motion-stopping speed for ambient light shooting! Believe it or not!

05-21-2009, 04:17 AM	#8
and Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,476	Originally posted by mattdm I've seen many people (not necessarily here) under the misconception that the x-sync speed is the best motion-stopping speed the camera is capable of getting from a flash. But of course if the ambient light isn't significant for the aperture/ISO you've selected, it's only the flash pulse duration that matters. that is correct. one thing i keep seeing is people who think hss is a substitute for fast x sync when hss doesnt have the power, the motion stopping capabilities or simply the compatibilities (studio strobes, triggering via pocket wizards etcetcetcetc) that regular x sync does.

05-21-2009, 05:26 AM	#9
whatever7 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 278	I think is in the MZ-S class, not quite the LX class. LX with a waist finder probably goes for the same amount in the used market as a MZ-S right now. Which one would you pick, I pick the LX.

05-21-2009, 07:23 AM	#10
feronovak Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: London, UK Photos: Gallery Posts: 123	Originally posted by and Flash degrades photography? wow most proffessional portrait photography are examples of degraded photography, i did not know. can just use HSS... seems x sync is the most misunderstood feature of dslrs, dont we have a knowledge base article on this... But that is very specific kind of photography do you agree? As well as wedding photography. This camera is aimed at outdoor activity and frankly you dont need flash in these situations ...

05-21-2009, 07:44 AM	#11
stanleyk Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Taylor, Texas Posts: 1,018	"This camera is aimed at outdoor activity and frankly you dont need flash in these situations ..." I would tend to agree with you. I own both a K10D and a K20D and have never used the flash. Perhaps Pentax's ideal market is not fashion/portrait with flash photography. I'm not big on the DPR reveiws (really a person should just try a camera out themselves to see if it's right for them) but I think the reviewer is correct about this: "Its spec isn't quite what the rumors might have suggested, but it still manages to look an awful lot like the wish-list of most enthusiast photographers (though one based in reality, rather than the increasingly surreal suggestions being churned out by the rumor mill)." A camera can't be all things to all photographers. And I still say the real value of the Pentax brand is in the following: 1) Construction. Great for outdoor photography where you could drop it. 2) Backward compatibility of lenses. This is a big plus for me because I like buying and trying a lot of lenses and I'm not rich. Each one has a different characteristics. The goal of photography really shouldn't be that every lens takes exactly the same photo. Where's the fun in that? 3) New digital lens selection. I don't think Nikon or Cannon have anything like the little DA 15, 21, 40, and 70. Again those lenses aren't for everyone, but if you like going out and walking around taking pictures they are great. I have the 40 and the 21. I will be getting the 15 and the 70 soon. I much rather have those than a huge zoom lens. But that's my preference strictly so the Pentax system is perfect for me. I have no issues with changing the lens. In the end Pentax is not going to be a camera for everyone. And.....I cannot wait to get the K 7. My niece is getting into photography and I'm going to give her my K 10, with a heavy heart. But....she only gets the kit lens!

05-21-2009, 07:48 AM	#12
CaymanImaging Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Albuquerque, NM Photos: Gallery Posts: 194	Originally posted by feronovak But that is very specific kind of photography do you agree? As well as wedding photography. This camera is aimed at outdoor activity and frankly you dont need flash in these situations ... I'm am one of those that needs it! I do weddings and indoor portraits. I was so happy when they put it on the 20.

05-21-2009, 08:21 AM	#13
and Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,476	you need fast x sync more outdoors than indoors, indoors the ambient is controllable unless its coming in through the windows (in which case you can close the curtains) but outdoors you cannot control the ambient directly, but you can control it with the shutter speed which only affects the ambient and not the flash exposure, this is a very powerfull situation where you control 2 exposures in 1 image and and choose to, say, if you are taking a picture of someone, to let the background be 1 stop darker than the person, or 3 stops if you so choose, brighter if you want high key. once you are at your highest x sync then your only option is to do a power battle with the sun by reducing iso and increasing aperture and flash output power, often if you are using a hotshoe flash then you will be loosing this battle. the people who say flash ruins a photograph, I have been there too, but the truth is if it does then you are not using it correctly. homework for you guys is to read strobist

05-21-2009, 09:20 AM	#14
RiceHigh Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Hong Kong Posts: 1,934	Originally posted by feronovak But that is very specific kind of photography do you agree? As well as wedding photography. This camera is aimed at outdoor activity and frankly you dont need flash in these situations ... Shooting outdoor wedding does require daylight fill flash!

05-21-2009, 09:23 AM	#15
feronovak Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: London, UK Photos: Gallery Posts: 123	Originally posted by RiceHigh Shooting outdoor wedding does require daylight fill flash! you ignored my ideas on purpose .... this is not wedding camera, get a d700 for professional weddings ...