Originally posted by Ray Pulley Why are you all so defensive about the K-7?
We are not. This is not about K-7; the same can be applied to any camera from any manufacturers. We will not compare IQ from ANY beta firmware camera period.
Quote: Have you made similar posts about the other pre-release features being discussed?
[sigh] Because we are not talking about the same thing!
Whenever ANY camera manufacturers give out pre-production cameras to ANY reviewers / beta testers after the embargo date, ALL of them would do this under two conditions - no images from the beta camera, and no conclusive judgment of IQ based on beta camera.
And no, there is NO such restrictions on any other pre-release features, which can be freely reviewed and discussed.
Can you see the difference? If you cannot, then I can't help you either.
Beta firmware can give out images which have little resemblance to the final output. The K10D leaked beta firmware images came to mind; those were so noisy that got most people worried. It was much more noisy when compared with A100 at that time. In the end, it turns out that the final firmware has less noise than A100. If users had concluded from the K10D beta firmware images that they would go with A100 to have less noise, I would consider it to be a wrong conclusion.
Quote: The preliminary IQ of the camera is just as legitimate to discuss as any other preliminary feature or preliminary performance data we have seen.
It is not just me, or anyone you accuse of being "fanboy"; no camera manufacturer or any reputable camera review sites would agree with you either.
Quote: I would say that you are assuming too much and treating others like they are children who need to be "warned".
"Children"? Can you keep this type of personal characterization out of discussions?
There are many users reading this forum who are looking to buy their first DSLR. And many do not know the pitfall in making buying decision based on beta firmware pictures.
Quote: It would be hard for me to write a better definition of self-appointed forum police than what you have written above. Just where is it written that you, or anyone else for that matter, need to warn others or be in any way responsible for any conclusion they draw from anything they read here?
This is not called forum police. This is all part of the forum discussion - and the whole point of having forum in the first place. You make a comment, and I make mine. I may or may not agree with you. I am not policing anyone. And that's why we have thread ratings as well. So are you saying that you only allow those who agree with you to post? Aren't you the forum police in this case? Or your thread guardian - trying to attack all the negative comments on your thread?
Quote: Are you paid by Pentax to make sure that you point out such things to others?
See? You are totally missing the point. As I said, I would say the same thing for any images from any beta cameras from any manufacturers.
Quote: Perhaps you just assume that everyone else is just so stupid that only you can guide them to the real truth and keep them from drawing the wrong conclusion?
Again, you are putting in personal characterization in your discussions.
In this case, twisting my original intention to "assume everyone else" as "so stupid".
Quote: As shown above, the K-20 Beta sample images were significantly better than what we have seen of the K-7 so far, and they were very much indicative of what the K-20 was capable of.
There are different stages of beta firmware development. And we have no idea when the noise optimization or image optimization comes in at which stage. The firmware version gives little indication either.
Quote: See the part about credibility above....
[shrug] Even if you don't care what the camera manufacturers want, at least all the reputable review sites agree with me.