Originally posted by nosnoop We are not. This is not about K-7; the same can be applied to any camera from any manufacturers. We will not compare IQ from ANY beta firmware camera period.
We? Speaking for others again?
Quote: Whenever ANY camera manufacturers give out pre-production cameras to ANY reviewers / beta testers after the embargo date, ALL of them would do this under two conditions - no images from the beta camera, and no conclusive judgment of IQ based on beta camera.
Like the K20D beta images from the Pentax sponsored Dubai press release for the camera?
Quote: And no, there is NO such restrictions on any other pre-release features, which can be freely reviewed and discussed.
Can you see the difference? If you cannot, then I can't help you either.
See the comment about the K20D images above.
I was not aware that Pentax is in control of what can be freely discussed here.
Quote: Beta firmware can give out images which have little resemblance to the final output. The K10D leaked beta firmware images came to mind; those were so noisy that got most people worried. It was much more noisy when compared with A100 at that time. In the end, it turns out that the final firmware has less noise than A100. If users had concluded from the K10D beta firmware images that they would go with A100 to have less noise, I would consider it to be a wrong conclusion.
So? The opposite is true of the K20D initial images.
Can you explain why you believe yourself to be responsible for making sure that such (perhaps) erroneous conclusions are not drawn?
Quote: It is not just me, or anyone you accuse of being "fanboy"; no camera manufacturer or any reputable camera review sites would agree with you either.
Fanboy? Where did I say that?
Quote: "Children"? Can you keep this type of personal characterization out of discussions?
There are many users reading this forum who are looking to buy their first DSLR. And many do not know the pitfall in making buying decision based on beta firmware pictures.
Not when self-appointed people like you feel the need to "warn" everyone and somehow feel that they must take responsibility for making sure that everyone comes to the correct conclusion, whatever that might be.
I repeat: this is the Pentax News and Rumors forums, not the Facts about Released Cameras forum.
Such discussions are the very nature of this forum and what newbies might think about a lot of these discussions doesn't seem to concern you unless it might look bad.
Quote: This is not called forum police. This is all part of the forum discussion - and the whole point of having forum in the first place. You make a comment, and I make mine. I may or may not agree with you. I am not policing anyone. And that's why we have thread ratings as well. So are you saying that you only allow those who agree with you to post? Aren't you the forum police in this case? Or your thread guardian - trying to attack all the negative comments on your thread?
My OP was simply a link and comments about the images being beta. You and others felt the need to "warn" folks, and to tell everyone that the thread is pointless. If you feel it is pointless, why not just read it and move on? No, you and others decided that it was somehow your responsibility to warn everyone as if they cannot read the statements about the images being from Beta firmware.
One such poster felt that at least one reason the linked images were nonsense was because they were not in English. Now there's a cogent argument for you.
Why do you feel that it is any of your business what conclusion someone else might draw from any post? This is EXACTLY the definition of forum policing and you are not being intellectually honest by not admitting that.
Your purpose in posting was only to make sure that someone else did not make a conclusion you think might be wrong. What else would you call this?
Quote: Again, you are putting in personal characterization in your discussions.
In this case, twisting my original intention to "assume everyone else" as "so stupid".
You stated yourself that you wanted to warn people and keep them from drawing the wrong conclusions. This implies:
1. They cannot read and comprehend the OP.
2. They are incapable of making a judgement for themselves.
3. They need someone else to warn them about making such judgements.
4. You are a better judge of what conclusion they should or should not draw than they are.
5. All of the above.
Pretty arrogant of you it seems to me.
Quote: There are different stages of beta firmware development. And we have no idea when the noise optimization or image optimization comes in at which stage. The firmware version gives little indication either.
True, and also true for for every other feature in the camera at this point.
Quote: [shrug] Even if you don't care what the camera manufacturers want, at least all the reputable review sites agree with me.
Of course I do not care what the manufacturers want. Why should I? I am the customer, they are supposed to care what I want.
Lastly, I repeat: this is the Pentax News and Rumors forum where all sorts of things, real, not real, released and un-released are discussed every day. Your comment about reputable testing sites is a not relevant here.
Thaaaaaat's all folks.
Ray