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05-25-2009, 10:17 AM   #76
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It's FUTURE DFA and DA LENSES section. Not CURRENT.

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That is misinformation my friend. It has been stated time and time again in this forum, the DA*55, the DA 40 and DA 70 are all FF lenses.

QuoteOriginally posted by Asahiflex Quote
Just to make it clear for everyone:

DA* = crop lenses, apart from the >=200mm lenses which are fullframe by nature (because of the telephoto construction).
DA Limited = small crop lenses
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QuoteOriginally posted by cousinsane Quote
That is misinformation my friend. It has been stated time and time again in this forum, the DA*55, the DA 40 and DA 70 are all FF lenses.
DA40 with reservations.
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QuoteOriginally posted by sveinmb Quote
Actually it looks like it is..

On the first small photo the text is below a lens that looks exactly like the 645 55mm f2.8. On the new images the text is over that particular lens, and this person is suddenly holding his finger over this mystical 50mm f1.0. Why cover it up if it was shown here already ?

On the first photo the * is missing, then after a lot of people complain that in no way a lens of that class would miss a star, it magically reappears in the new images. If you look at the current roadmap that star isn't exactly small enough to disappear in that first shot.

If you check out the new images the part above "future lenses" ie the current lineup seems to be exactly the same as the current roadmap has:

1. On the second image showing the 50/1.0 there are two magenta arrows pointing at the 50mm mark, just as the current map where the 16-50 and 50-135 meet.

2. On the third image, showing the 135/2.8 ltd there is an arrow ending at 135, just like the 50-135 and a dot at 200, just like the 200/2.8

With me so far?

Then where the hell is the 60-250 on that map?
The Star appearing in the 50/1.0 is sinister indeed (barely visible under the finger in the new map)...now, I call it a fake.

All other observations can be explained away....

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QuoteOriginally posted by cousinsane Quote
That is misinformation my friend. It has been stated time and time again in this forum, the DA*55, the DA 40 and DA 70 are all FF lenses.
But they're not labelled as such by Pentax. They may work on FF but they're not specifically designed to.
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A 20mm 2.8 still doesn't make a ton of sense on FF. Its not that absurdly wide and to be honest I rarely see myself stop in that neighborhood. The 50 1.0 would be an amazing lens, but lets say for a second that it is possible. The Canon 50 1.0 costs upwards of 5000 dollars, even if Pentax halves that could they really sell enough of them? I really want to believe there is a FF Pentax on the horizon, but this lens lineup makes no since. I could understand starting with some Primes if they would also be useful on APS-C but these lens's are more than covered on APS-C. Now if we saw an 85 1.2 or 85 1.4, and maybe a DFA 135 then I would believe that Pentax is prepping a FF lineup while still satisfying current APS-C users. I would then later expect a 70-200 and 24-70 and perhaps a 16-24. They could even partner with Tokina or even Sigma for 70-200, 24-70, and 12-24. Give them all SDM and SMC coatings aswell as fix their front focus issues and that would be one very impressive FF lineup.
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I think they would get some publicity with 1.0!
Such high performance lens could be possible to make in low numbers just for the sake of it. :P

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When all K7 specs were still rumors, a guy in a french forum give the specs and the fact is they were all true. This person also said that K200D sucessor will come near september 2009 AND that a Full Frame Pentax camera will come in 2010. I believe this could be no fake afterall.

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QuoteOriginally posted by ogl Quote
It's FUTURE DFA and DA LENSES section. Not CURRENT.
But everything _above_ the line is CURRENT like it's on the official roadmap from pentax japan today. And the graphics shown _above_ that line in these shots are identical to the CURRENT-section of the CURRENT roadmap. It should have the 60-250 there.

There is also a question of where the DA* 30mm went. It's a lens a lot of people are waiting for. After PMA there was an interview with a Pentax official translated and posted on this very forum where he stated the 30mm was postponed because it was being adjusted to match the new SLR they would launch later this year. He wouldn't say what the his modification was all about, but it was said that the reason for postponing the lens would be very obvious when that camera was launched.

So, now we've got the new camera. Where is this 30mm lens on that roadmap?
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QuoteOriginally posted by claude21 Quote
When all K7 specs were still rumors, a guy in a french forum give the specs and the fact is they were all true. This person also said that K200D sucessor will come near september 2009 AND that a Full Frame Pentax camera will come in 2010. I believe this could be no fake afterall.
To be honest, I've heard something similar, but I dismissed it immediately... Now, I'm not so sure...
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QuoteOriginally posted by cousinsane Quote
That is misinformation my friend. It has been stated time and time again in this forum, the DA*55, the DA 40 and DA 70 are all FF lenses.
hasn't it also been stated time and time again that just because it covers FF it doesn't mean its good for FF?

think about it, one of the biggest challenges in making good glass is good quality from corner to corner. why would Pentax spend so much time and effort in optimizing the corners for a 35mm frame when the intention was explicitly stated designed for APS-C? (including their hoods etc)

so some DA and DA* were secretly for an upcoming FF camera and some weren't? no, much much more likely is that Pentax just used the best part of lenses, the center, for the APS-C image circle and didn't bother optimizing the excess glass coverage.

just look at the current description of DFA lenses. there's a reason there's an "F" in DFA.
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The star is just not there at all in the first photo. On the second one it appears to be the right size and same design as the rest of the chart.

If you're just photoshopping the DFA-text from the 645 lens it's a pretty obvious mistake to forget to add the star.

QuoteOriginally posted by pcarfan Quote
The Star appearing in the 50/1.0 is sinister indeed (barely visible under the finger in the new map)...now, I call it a fake.

All other observations can be explained away....
You can explain how the 50/1.0 looks exactly the same as the 645 55 in the first shot ?
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QuoteOriginally posted by joerg Quote
A 20mm 2.8 still doesn't make a ton of sense on FF. Its not that absurdly wide and to be honest I rarely see myself stop in that neighborhood. The 50 1.0 would be an amazing lens, but lets say for a second that it is possible. The Canon 50 1.0 costs upwards of 5000 dollars, even if Pentax halves that could they really sell enough of them? I really want to believe there is a FF Pentax on the horizon, but this lens lineup makes no since. I could understand starting with some Primes if they would also be useful on APS-C but these lens's are more than covered on APS-C. Now if we saw an 85 1.2 or 85 1.4, and maybe a DFA 135 then I would believe that Pentax is prepping a FF lineup while still satisfying current APS-C users. I would then later expect a 70-200 and 24-70 and perhaps a 16-24. They could even partner with Tokina or even Sigma for 70-200, 24-70, and 12-24. Give them all SDM and SMC coatings aswell as fix their front focus issues and that would be one very impressive FF lineup.
remember, they do still have the 77 Ltd. 1.8 so they may figure they have time to work on 85/1.2. in fact they even promote it on the last K-7 ad. a clue?
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QuoteOriginally posted by sveinmb Quote
The star is just not there at all in the first photo. On the second one it appears to be the right size and same design as the rest of the chart.

If you're just photoshopping the DFA-text from the 645 lens it's a pretty obvious mistake to forget to add the star.



You can explain how the 50/1.0 looks exactly the same as the 645 55 in the first shot ?
good catch. maybe this guy is the actual Pentax designer of the roadmap and forgot to add the star on the officially graphic as he's making it?

yeah ok, damn.
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Also seems strange to use the DFA designation again. since this also included an aperture ring so the lens can be used with older film bodies as well. New lenses are DA even if they do also cover FF.
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