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05-30-2009, 08:45 PM | #61 |
Nubi Guest |
It may not be a bargain of the century, but wouldn't it still be a pretty good deal though? How about as a back up to K-7? It sounds pretty reasonable. No? |
05-30-2009, 10:08 PM | #62 |
fact - measure it... Pentax still has longer shatter lag I can tell you that I 'd not be missing 1) 3-exposure HDR; Multiple exposures up to 9 exposures (without tone mapping or overexposure) - I have enough software that can do this much better 2) LCD color calibration 3) Copyright embedding in EXIF 4) DNG support (with lossless compression) - as I can get DNG from PEF any time and DNG is fully supported by less raw converters comparing with PEF etc, etc, etc... apparently all those features are important to you, but I'd trade all of them for a flash system which will be on par w/ Nikon The amount of limitations and incompatible lenses is very high, so I wouldn't rush into conclusions regarding the level of backward compatibility offered. It's an interesting subject that does warrant further discussion though, so I might open a new thread about it. you forgot better ISO and DR, better support for AF from AE sensor, etc... | |
05-30-2009, 10:29 PM | #63 |
The only bs here is your grassroot marketing. К-7 has old AF system, but w/ improved algorithms that help w/ AF-S and extra sensor detecting light spectrum/color temperature that helps w/ BF/FF problems but it has nothing that can match what D300 has to track moving targets (AF-C). | |
05-30-2009, 10:40 PM | #64 |
AF-S probably will be better... I hope... AF-C still will not match D300 \ | |
05-30-2009, 11:18 PM | #65 |
Is that so? Where are the lab tests that prove it? Quote: yeap, D300 is better here with or withour grip Quote: I did not make it longer - it was one line that D300 has 12 or 14bit raw on demand... as for your note that IQ is differences are barely noticeable - look I did not comment on your line about having an option to shoot raw in either PEF or DNG... and to have 14bit raw is way better than to have a DNG which you can get from NEF using a free adobe converter if you really need that, while you can't get extra 2 bit in Pentax in case you want that... so it is you who are making the list artificially longer than it needs to be For me, the main point in using DNG is long term support. Closed formats become unsupported after a long time. Open ones much less so. I can still print picture I shot 20 years ago, but I have no easy way to access 5.25 floppies formatted by my Apple II. For all intent, this data is gone for good, and to a large extent other data in proprietary formats used by this machine is unusable in modern PC's, even if I can transfer the files. Emulation is one way to tackle this, but it has its limitations. Therefore, I wouldn't rely on Adobe's DNG converter converting your old RAW files when its current D300-NEF-supporting version doesn't run any longer on the OS of the time. You'd better do the conversions now, when you still can. As for the length of the list, I didn't claim all advantages have the same weight, but they are all advantages. 12 bit support can't be considered one, nor the speculative items. Quote: I am not listing just lossless compression - I am listing an option to have either lossless or lossy w/ RAW... one line, not two... Quote: fact - measure it... Pentax still has longer shatter lag Quote: I can tell you that I 'd not be missing 1) 3-exposure HDR; Multiple exposures up to 9 exposures (without tone mapping or overexposure) - I have enough software that can do this much better 2) LCD color calibration 3) Copyright embedding in EXIF 4) DNG support (with lossless compression) - as I can get DNG from PEF any time and DNG is fully supported by less raw converters comparing with PEF etc, etc, etc... apparently all those features are important to you, but I'd trade all of them for a flash system which will be on par w/ Nikon Quote: still it is a fact - D300 has a better viewfinder - Eye-point distance - Brightness - Manual focus snappiness - DOF representation If I were you I would probably claim that the K-7 viewfinder is better than the Nikon's because my hunch would tell me that its viewfinder is better in these parameters, but I'm not. I only listed facts, not speculation. Quote: still D300 has an edge here, it is like K-7 that can read aperture from pre "A" lenses... Quote: of course - the point is K-7 has an edge on usability and affordability, but still can't beat 2 years old D300 on several important things Other than the number of AF points, FPS-with-grip or X-sync, I doubt you could find many Nikon users who would claim these features are important. Quote: you forgot better ISO and DR, better support for AF from AE sensor, etc... Prog. | |
05-30-2009, 11:35 PM | #66 |
К-7 has old AF system, but w/ improved algorithms that help w/ AF-S and extra sensor detecting light spectrum/color temperature that helps w/ BF/FF problems but it has nothing that can match what D300 has to track moving targets (AF-C). still does not help AF-C where you need (1) more points and (2) smaller area per point... and as Nikon has (3) help from AE RGB sensor that helps w/ tracking of the moving target between focus points. AF-S probably will be better... I hope... AF-C still will not match D300 Prog. | |
05-30-2009, 11:45 PM | #67 |
15% more FPS w/o grip and the thing is that if you really need FPS you can get a grip and have 8 FPS, w/ Pentax you just can't no matter what. there was an old topic on DPReview - 12bit versus 14bit - another sample test: Nikon D3 - D1 / D700 Forum: Digital Photography Review did I miss anything ? K-7 has lossy compression in RAW ? I mean D300 has lag less that K-7, do not play a blonde... oops, you are from Sweden though nowhere near Nikon flash system... well, it still shows that Pentax was not able to deliver on such "minor" difference... probably it was not that "minor" D300 has it for hss too (and each camera/flash system that has HSS can do this for its own fastest shutter speed... but I 'd not call you names for this ) D300 has better magnification, you might call it insignificant, but the fact is that it is still 0.94x vs 0.92x... I did not miss anything - I just listed the things where D300 is better, so you probably are addressing Prognathous, not me yes, however Photoshop+HDR plugins or standalone HDR programs has so much more... of course, some people don't have that, but I doubt that people who buy D300 don't have access to proper postprocessing tools | |
05-30-2009, 11:49 PM | #68 |
Let me remind you that "the Sony A700 has an AF module that's inferior to the K20D module, let alone the D300, but it's still edges the Nikon when it comes to AF-C. The AF algorithms and data processing have a lot to do with it". In short, it's to early to claim that the AF-C of the D300 is overall better than that of the K-7. It may be so, but until there's a test that proves this, it's nothing but speculation. Prog. | |
05-31-2009, 12:39 AM | #69 |
Except that I don't speculate. Unlike your list, mine is comprised of facts. Quote: ... but I see nothing in pentax spec's that indicates that AF-C is as good in tracking moving targets as D300 Prog. | |
05-31-2009, 04:34 AM | #70 |
RaduA Guest | @Prog and Roland
Didn't the three of us fed this troll long enough? He's kind of obese now and I am worried about his health. In the end all that really matters is how the K-7 will perform and how well it will sell. The rest is in this moment an useless waste of time. Radu |
05-31-2009, 05:05 AM | #71 |
Buy it if you want it
I bought my K20D in Nov 2008 for $689 new with 3 year warranty. Now its $20 less. K20D isn't the perfect back up for K-7 due to new layout, new battery, new charger. Best back up for a K-7 is another K-7 Its a common misconception any brand camera and lens warranty are transferrable. None I know of are transferrable. Why do I know this? I actually read my Pentax, Canon and Nikon dslr & lens warranty info. So I'll say again & add: For Me: Indeed, "No" , its not a bargain. B&H has these for $669 & free delivery. Pentax is running 3 year warranty to (((ORIGINAL))) owners only thru 7-31-09. Must put thru paperwork within 30 days to qualify. Auction K20D is at $470 plus $15 delivery = $485 plus $3 insurance Why isn't a brand new K20D with 3 year warranty worth $182 more? Plus if theres a problem you'll get another new K20D from B&H. http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/cont...=542060&is=REG K20D Digital SLR - Official PENTAX Imaging Web Site >>"Right now, save $200 on the feature-rich K20D. Plus, you also get an extended FREE three-year warranty (1 year standard, 2 years extended) when you purchase the K20D by 7/31/2009." | |
05-31-2009, 05:33 AM | #72 |
Site Supporter | I just bought a second K20 with a 3 year warranty back in April. I'll bet it takes great pictures for quite some time after the K-7 becomes available. Heck, my original K20 that is now out of warranty is still going strong and taking stellar photos. I don't see what a new model has to do with the functionality of an old model. |
05-31-2009, 06:07 PM | #73 |
But doesn't this come at the expense of resolution? Canikons win noise measurement figure contests but for me personally their images resulting from high NR are not very appealing. I prefer the Pentax approach which gives me the choice of either retaining some resolution and live with some grain or NR the noise away in PP and loose a lot of resolution in the process. | |
05-31-2009, 08:44 PM | #74 |
Nubi Guest | I bought my K20D in Nov 2008 for $689 new with 3 year warranty. Now its $20 less. K20D isn't the perfect back up for K-7 due to new layout, new battery, new charger. Best back up for a K-7 is another K-7 Its a common misconception any brand camera and lens warranty are transferrable. None I know of are transferrable. Why do I know this? I actually read my Pentax, Canon and Nikon dslr & lens warranty info. So I'll say again & add: For Me: Indeed, "No" , its not a bargain. B&H has these for $669 & free delivery. Pentax is running 3 year warranty to (((ORIGINAL))) owners only thru 7-31-09. Must put thru paperwork within 30 days to qualify. Auction K20D is at $470 plus $15 delivery = $485 plus $3 insurance Why isn't a brand new K20D with 3 year warranty worth $182 more? Plus if theres a problem you'll get another new K20D from B&H. http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/cont...=542060&is=REG K20D Digital SLR - Official PENTAX Imaging Web Site >>"Right now, save $200 on the feature-rich K20D. Plus, you also get an extended FREE three-year warranty (1 year standard, 2 years extended) when you purchase the K20D by 7/31/2009." I do see your point. I am going to buy one anyway and keep my k20D related gears ie batteries an so on. |
05-31-2009, 10:35 PM | #75 |
K-7 is the hottest pre-ordered dSLR commodity. K-7 has made lots of non-Pentax photo enthusiasts to jump ship and abandon their preferred dSLR brand. K-7 is responsible for influencing people to join this forum. K-7 beat the hell out of the D300 that it made their owners consider on buying the K-7 which you consider as a subpar performer behind the D300. I guess that the K-7 sucks so bad, that you didn't notice these facts. may I suggest that you to have your lens checked coz they maybe suffering from abrasions. Truly Yours, EX-NIKON shooter | |
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