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06-24-2009, 02:46 PM   #106
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We have today received clarification from Pentax UK on the K-7 body they gave us for review, and have now amended our review to make this clear. Details here

06-24-2009, 02:51 PM   #107
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Interesting.

All we need is a £950 RRP now
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Also they re-worded the Battery grip to what they probably meant, or at least what they want us to think they meant "Not least because there’s a new optional battery grip - the first for DSLR with both AA and li-ion battery compatibility from Pentax (D-BG4)"
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This forum has big muscles.

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K-7 FW 1.0 sample images 800-3200 iso:
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QuoteOriginally posted by jogiba Quote
K-7 FW 1.0 sample images 800-3200 iso:
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Hey, those are my sample photos which I also posted here at the forum
https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-dslr-discussion/62819-experiences-...s-imgs-11.html
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Hi Nigel,

it is great seeing you entering a dialogue.

QuoteOriginally posted by NigelAtherton Quote
As Editor of What Digital Camera I have been following this discussion about our K-7 review with interest.
How about acting upon the feedback you received through this forum and the feedback left at your review? I realize you did this to a very small extent but do you actually plan to leave all the misinformation in the review?

Your reviewer writes:
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As a result it seems that shooting Raw in order to recover underexposure and inconsistent white balance is the best way to use the K-7. But, of course, this adds up to considerable post-production time.
This is a serious detractor for any potential buyer, however, it is just plain wrong.

Underexposure is a philosophy, a feature. You can get the same "blow your highlights on a regular basis" by dialling in a constant exposure compensation.

With respect to the white balance your reviewer failed to use the proper setting. The K-7 is one of the few cameras which will do a proper automatic white balance under Tungsten lighting. You just have to use the right menu setting.

And there is nothing "inconsistent" about the white balance. It is obvious that a RAW image will show a different white balance unless the software reads out the camera white balance. It seems that your reviewer screwed up and blames the camera.

Go through the feedback and this thread and you'll notice more examples of incompetent assessment. I personally think that you would not live up to your responsibilities as an editor if you left the review like that. It currently misinforms readers which is worse than not informing them at all.

I'm not a brand zealot. I applaud reviews which point out disadvantages. But your K-7 review was not done by an expert and there is quite some evidence of double standards.
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Hey, those are my sample photos which I also posted here at the forum
https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-dslr-discussion/62819-experiences-...s-imgs-11.html
Wow, 3200 ISO looks great !

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Hi Nigel,
it is great seeing you entering a dialogue.
I guess I praised you too early...

Where are you with all these good questions left unanswered?

BTW, do you give the K-7 "value for money" credit for having built-in image stabilisation? It does not seem like it. This feature severely impacts on "value for money" since Canikonians have to pay through the nose for each VR lens. If you do not just compare camera bodies but bodies plus a few good lenses, the K-7 has a big advantage in terms of "value for money" which you don't seem to take into consideration.

Oh, why should you? Pentax is not of your big advertisers, is it?
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It is simply silly to believe that a pre-production model suddenly becomes a production unit by loading it with firmware 1.00. It is still a camera with pre-production hardware!
A production unit littery means a unit taken from the official production line, and the pre-production unit was not! It has nothing to do with the firmware installed.

About "underexposure problem" - Pentax uses a mechanical aperture in their lenses and this means that the lenses has a variation. Yes, some lenses will be spot on, some slightly underexposing and some overexposing. This is because of the mechanical linkage of the aperture in the lenses. Nikon faces the same problem. I have seen many users reporting overexposure problems with Nikon and it is lens dependant, different from lens to lens.

It has always been like this with Pentax (and Nikon). You had to learn your camera and your lenses and then compensate accordingly. But, difference now is that DSLR's are like shooting slides and most film users that has changed to digital were using printfilm with a far broader exposure latitude where small exposure errors were not noticeable.

With digital you have to be spot on because of the very narrow and tiny exposure latitude (frankly, there is no exposure latitude, there is no margin. With film, there was a margin, with digital, there is no margin).

Only way of Pentax (and Nikon) to cure this problem is to go for electronic aperture in the lenses (like Canon and 4/3-system), and this would make them loosing compatibility.
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It's strange but my pentax usually overexposes images when sigma mounted.
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QuoteOriginally posted by RMabo Quote
With digital you have to be spot on because of the very narrow and tiny exposure latitude (frankly, there is no exposure latitude, there is no margin. With film, there was a margin, with digital, there is no margin).
Well, you have a margin if you underexpose, especially if you shoot in raw. Overexposure is a big no-no in digital.

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Only way of Pentax (and Nikon) to cure this problem is to go for electronic aperture in the lenses (like Canon and 4/3-system), and this would make them losing compatibility.
They did that with SDM so there is always a possibility of having a dual system, electronic for newer bodies and mechanic for older ones. If Pentax, Nikon (and also Sony?) don't do it it's maybe because it does not worth it?
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Final 'con': 'tough competition to compete against'

What does that even mean? That having good competition is a negative for this camera?! I'm so confused.
Reading between the lines the reviewer is saying that the K-7 did not meet the standards already set by the other camera manufactures.

A perfect example of why you don't buy a camera sight unseen over the internet!

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Reading between the lines the reviewer is saying that the K-7 did not meet the standards already set by the other camera manufactures.

A perfect example of why you don't buy a camera sight unseen over the internet!
Right, like a local camera store is going to let you do a full test before you buy.
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QuoteOriginally posted by fwbigd Quote
Reading between the lines the reviewer is saying that the K-7 did not meet the standards already set by the other camera manufactures.
Reading between the lines the reviewer is telling you that he either hasn't got much of a clue about cameras or that he has an agenda to let other cameras appear in a better light.
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