Originally posted by Jonathan Mac No:
Live view, articulated screen, more than 12MP, video
You have a bias against Live View, articulated screen, more than 12MP, video and lump them to "features only beginners and soccer moms" need.
Which I strongly disagree. Live View gives you easier access to shooting from the ground without lying on your stomach or above head level. It is also helpful when you need to have a waiter to take a group picture. Articulating screen would compromise build quality, so I'm happy with the 178 degree IPS LCD screen on the K-7 for live view.
More MP than 12 is useful for crops in good light. CPU, RAM, memory cards and hard drive space cost next to nothing nowadays compared to what they did just 2 short years ago so processing power and storage is not a concern. If you need less pixels or want "cleaner ISO" in the shadows, you can always bin the pixels yourself, run it with Topaz, stack the shots, etc., like many serious photographers do. No offence.
As to video, with an external mic and any 18-200+ superzoom, K-7 can surpass a lot of dedicated video cameras anyway. I firmly believe you'll soon see a bloom of quality video shot with DSLR on YouTube. Well-made video is an art difficult to master - they rival the skill level needed to take good still pictures. What's available on the K-7 or even the D5000 give people room to grow beyond those $300 digital camcorders. So, what's wrong with video on DSLR? It's becoming a check-mark feature that no DSLR will be released without it, anyway.
All of those features, you can turn off without using it if you don't want to. These features only contribute to an insignificant cost to make the body anyway, so removing them won't make the camera any cheaper.
Originally posted by Jonathan Mac The K200D stands out among other brandsī sub-$700 cameras as arguably the only one thatīs not aimed at, or limited to, "beginners & soccer moms". Itīs aimed at providing a good, solidly-performing camera that can stand a little abuse for those that donīt have the money to spend on a K20D, K7 or D3x.
While I use a K-7 myself, I have seen enough people who use the 300D or the D50 who can produce great pictures (they're the minority nowadays given how many people buy cheap DSLR as a status symbol, but they exist). As long as the camera has an M mode - like any DSLR does, it's in theory all you need to get serious - so I don't know what you mean by a body "limited to" beginners and soccer moms.
Plus, beginners and soccer moms is a huge and lucrative market, as much as I oppose someone not serious getting into DSLR just for a status symbol and in the process driving up lens prices (instead of getting a Powershot SX200 and be very happy), it's their money to spend and Pentax is free to make them - who knows, some of these beginners and soccer moms can progress to become serious. Just remember where you were when you began, and if you were a beginner what choices would you be facing right now? (I would get a used D70 but some prefer new)
As it is, the K20D is a great bargain. Photography costs money. It always had and always will. Someone who wants to get into this hobby on the cheap should really consider getting everything used, that's the only budget way. Don't forget about the lenses. Anything with an M mode will do. But on the other hand, if you're talking about a high performance DSLR body with lots of direct buttons, 2 dials for quick control, weather sealing and on the cheap, I'm afraid this will never happen below $800 (the K20D is about to be discontinued so it's the exception rather than the rule). The same group of people are probably interested in lenses that cost $800+ anyway so in reality it is probably not a great concern.
Last edited by wolfier; 07-24-2009 at 09:01 AM.