Any News on K200D Replacement !

flippedgazelle · 07-19-2009, 07:40 AM

Don't the K2000 & the K20D basically cover the K200D's slot?

ytterbium · 07-19-2009, 08:23 AM

Logically it should be feature and build wise downgraded camera, with K-7's new technologies.

This means it may have video, new AF system (but with less juice because of the AA's), same-new sensor (but those 14mpix are not very desirable in a enthusiast/entry camera, waste of storage space), shake reduction.
And most of the already known limitations. Such as less levers/buttons/dials, pentamirror, no/less sealing, maybe no HDMI out.

I see a logical choice leaving out/downgrading the features that many people looking for a first dslr dosnt care about to lower the price. Like top lcd, SR generation (like the new \w tilt compensation, composition adjust and level display), flash power (increases recharge time).

If pentax had released SDM kit with k-7 a would expect it is already time to make crippled SMD only entry level bodies. No internal AF motor - noticeable price decrease, more pressure to get higher end bodies and buy expensive SDM lenses.
But since Pentax design new lenses as SDM very selectively i doubt they plan to switch completely to SDM or internal motors.

GLXLR · 07-19-2009, 09:31 AM

Originally posted by ytterbium

Logically it should be feature and build wise downgraded camera, with K-7's new technologies.

This means it may have video, new AF system (but with less juice because of the AA's), same-new sensor (but those 14mpix are not very desirable in a enthusiast/entry camera, waste of storage space), shake reduction.
And most of the already known limitations. Such as less levers/buttons/dials, pentamirror, no/less sealing, maybe no HDMI out.

I see a logical choice leaving out/downgrading the features that many people looking for a first dslr dosnt care about to lower the price. Like top lcd, SR generation (like the new \w tilt compensation, composition adjust and level display), flash power (increases recharge time).

If pentax had released SDM kit with k-7 a would expect it is already time to make crippled SMD only entry level bodies. No internal AF motor - noticeable price decrease, more pressure to get higher end bodies and buy expensive SDM lenses.
But since Pentax design new lenses as SDM very selectively i doubt they plan to switch completely to SDM or internal motors.

I still see the K20D in the line up so I am guessing that the K20D will eventually phase out the K200D.

tibbitts · 07-19-2009, 07:04 PM

Originally posted by flippedgazelle

Don't the K2000 & the K20D basically cover the K200D's slot?

Not to K200 advocates, but I'm suggesting that Pentax may feel that two bodies are sufficient, except during transitions.

Paul

Nubi · 07-20-2009, 05:43 AM

In just few short months....

The opinion of this camera, especially in this forum, will be divided, i think.

**Aristophanes** · 07-20-2009, 07:01 AM

Any K200D replacement will likely have HD video, same specs as the K-7.

Hopefully it will continue with the differentiation from its peers by using AA batteries, although video and size will be issues.

There is a gap between the K20D and the K2000 that is prime market. The K20D is too expensive, even with the K-7 out. The K2000 is too entry-level for many, especially those who will stay with a brand through lens development.

The interesting aspect of the K200D is the WR factor, and the advent of WR on the new "kit lens". That's a good match and a core marketing strength of Pentax.

Live View and articulating screens are options with returns, but smaller ones compared to video, power, and WR durability. It still needs to hit the right price point.

thibs · 07-20-2009, 07:36 AM

Originally posted by Aristophanes

Any K200D replacement will likely have HD video, same specs as the K-7.

Hopefully it will continue with the differentiation from its peers by using AA batteries, although video and size will be issues.

There is a gap between the K20D and the K2000 that is prime market. The K20D is too expensive, even with the K-7 out. The K2000 is too entry-level for many, especially those who will stay with a brand through lens development.

The interesting aspect of the K200D is the WR factor, and the advent of WR on the new "kit lens". That's a good match and a core marketing strength of Pentax.

Live View and articulating screens are options with returns, but smaller ones compared to video, power, and WR durability. It still needs to hit the right price point.

Most people here will moan (which may be justified) because of probable pentamirrror and absence of HyperM/HyperP.

vk4akp · 07-20-2009, 09:41 AM

Well I'm in the market to buy now!.

I have a K200D and would like to spend some money Pentax!

Current offerings I have no interest in.

What I want.

- AA Batterys
- Pentaprism
- LiveView
- Video
- Weatherproofing
- Close to 100% field of view

Past that I don't care. !

Although I think the curves of the K200D look much nicer then the ugly flats of the K7 body.

Anyhow, please Pentax. Make another great camera in the tradition of the K200D in a similar price and market bracket.
But please don't create another dog like the K-M.

My open wallet awaits!

.-.-.

GLXLR · 07-20-2009, 10:38 AM

Originally posted by vk4akp

Well I'm in the market to buy now!.

I have a K200D and would like to spend some money Pentax!

Current offerings I have no interest in.

What I want.

- AA Batterys
- Pentaprism
- LiveView
- Video
- Weatherproofing
- Close to 100% field of view

Past that I don't care. !

Although I think the curves of the K200D look much nicer then the ugly flats of the K7 body.

Anyhow, please Pentax. Make another great camera in the tradition of the K200D in a similar price and market bracket.
But please don't create another dog like the K-M.

My open wallet awaits!

.-.-.

I doubt 100% field of view., although everything else looks reasonable.

thibs · 07-20-2009, 10:52 AM

Originally posted by vk4akp

Well I'm in the market to buy now!.

I have a K200D and would like to spend some money Pentax!

Current offerings I have no interest in.

What I want.

- AA Batterys
- Pentaprism
- LiveView
- Video
- Weatherproofing
- Close to 100% field of view

Past that I don't care. !

Although I think the curves of the K200D look much nicer then the ugly flats of the K7 body.

Anyhow, please Pentax. Make another great camera in the tradition of the K200D in a similar price and market bracket.
But please don't create another dog like the K-M.

My open wallet awaits!

.-.-.

IMO minus 100% VF and pentaprism.

vk4akp · 07-20-2009, 11:29 AM

Oh, I did say close to 100% field of view so 95-96% etc.

But pentaprism is a must. Pentamirror is just crap. I'm sorry.

The K-M has pentamirror, so that leaves room for the K300D to have Pentaprism surly!

.-.-.

thibs · 07-20-2009, 03:21 PM

Originally posted by vk4akp

Oh, I did say close to 100% field of view so 95-96% etc.

But pentaprism is a must. Pentamirror is just crap. I'm sorry.

The K-M has pentamirror, so that leaves room for the K300D to have Pentaprism surly!

.-.-.

Still doubt it but heck I'd like it to be. I don't need this camera, I have a K-7 and I already love it. Still I'd like others to be happy as well.

**Aristophanes** · 07-20-2009, 04:43 PM

Originally posted by vk4akp

Oh, I did say close to 100% field of view so 95-96% etc.

But pentaprism is a must. Pentamirror is just crap. I'm sorry.

.-.-.

Not going to happen. Prism vs. mirror is the price point breaker.

You want a prism? Pony up!

cyg · 07-20-2009, 05:22 PM

Originally posted by vk4akp

- AA Batteries
- Pentaprism
- LiveView
- Video
- Weatherproofing
- Close to 100% field of view

Additional guesses:
- only one control wheel
- 3fps "only"
- 14Mp sensor

DS-style Pentaprism would be nice, but sounds unlikely...

Das Boot · 07-20-2009, 09:00 PM

I think it should be sub-entry level... Just a couple of meaningless buttons and a viewfinder like the one on Rodney Dangerfield's putter in "Caddyshack" that tells you when you have that perfect shot. Maybe a trackball and a touchscreen or roulette wheel would make it nicer.... Oh yeah a couple of built-in games too - 3D of course.

07-20-2009, 09:41 AM	#23
vk4akp Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Ipswich / Qld / Australia Photos: Gallery Posts: 133	K300D Specs Well I'm in the market to buy now!. I have a K200D and would like to spend some money Pentax! Current offerings I have no interest in. What I want. - AA Batterys - Pentaprism - LiveView - Video - Weatherproofing - Close to 100% field of view Past that I don't care. ! Although I think the curves of the K200D look much nicer then the ugly flats of the K7 body. Anyhow, please Pentax. Make another great camera in the tradition of the K200D in a similar price and market bracket. But please don't create another dog like the K-M. My open wallet awaits! .-.-.

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07-19-2009, 07:40 AM	#16
flippedgazelle Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: NJ, USA Photos: Albums Posts: 1,270	Don't the K2000 & the K20D basically cover the K200D's slot?

07-19-2009, 08:23 AM	#17
ytterbium Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,076	Logically it should be feature and build wise downgraded camera, with K-7's new technologies. This means it may have video, new AF system (but with less juice because of the AA's), same-new sensor (but those 14mpix are not very desirable in a enthusiast/entry camera, waste of storage space), shake reduction. And most of the already known limitations. Such as less levers/buttons/dials, pentamirror, no/less sealing, maybe no HDMI out. I see a logical choice leaving out/downgrading the features that many people looking for a first dslr dosnt care about to lower the price. Like top lcd, SR generation (like the new \w tilt compensation, composition adjust and level display), flash power (increases recharge time). If pentax had released SDM kit with k-7 a would expect it is already time to make crippled SMD only entry level bodies. No internal AF motor - noticeable price decrease, more pressure to get higher end bodies and buy expensive SDM lenses. But since Pentax design new lenses as SDM very selectively i doubt they plan to switch completely to SDM or internal motors.

07-19-2009, 09:31 AM	#18
GLXLR Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Sugar Land, TX Photos: Gallery Posts: 684	Originally posted by ytterbium Logically it should be feature and build wise downgraded camera, with K-7's new technologies. This means it may have video, new AF system (but with less juice because of the AA's), same-new sensor (but those 14mpix are not very desirable in a enthusiast/entry camera, waste of storage space), shake reduction. And most of the already known limitations. Such as less levers/buttons/dials, pentamirror, no/less sealing, maybe no HDMI out. I see a logical choice leaving out/downgrading the features that many people looking for a first dslr dosnt care about to lower the price. Like top lcd, SR generation (like the new \w tilt compensation, composition adjust and level display), flash power (increases recharge time). If pentax had released SDM kit with k-7 a would expect it is already time to make crippled SMD only entry level bodies. No internal AF motor - noticeable price decrease, more pressure to get higher end bodies and buy expensive SDM lenses. But since Pentax design new lenses as SDM very selectively i doubt they plan to switch completely to SDM or internal motors. I still see the K20D in the line up so I am guessing that the K20D will eventually phase out the K200D.

07-19-2009, 07:04 PM	#19
tibbitts Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Oklahoma USA Posts: 2,193	Originally posted by flippedgazelle Don't the K2000 & the K20D basically cover the K200D's slot? Not to K200 advocates, but I'm suggesting that Pentax may feel that two bodies are sufficient, except during transitions. Paul

07-20-2009, 05:43 AM	#20
Nubi Guest	In just few short months.... The opinion of this camera, especially in this forum, will be divided, i think.

07-20-2009, 07:01 AM	#21
Aristophanes Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Rankin Inlet, Nunavut Photos: Albums Posts: 3,948	Any K200D replacement will likely have HD video, same specs as the K-7. Hopefully it will continue with the differentiation from its peers by using AA batteries, although video and size will be issues. There is a gap between the K20D and the K2000 that is prime market. The K20D is too expensive, even with the K-7 out. The K2000 is too entry-level for many, especially those who will stay with a brand through lens development. The interesting aspect of the K200D is the WR factor, and the advent of WR on the new "kit lens". That's a good match and a core marketing strength of Pentax. Live View and articulating screens are options with returns, but smaller ones compared to video, power, and WR durability. It still needs to hit the right price point.

07-20-2009, 07:36 AM	#22
thibs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Photos: Albums Posts: 7,001	Originally posted by Aristophanes Any K200D replacement will likely have HD video, same specs as the K-7. Hopefully it will continue with the differentiation from its peers by using AA batteries, although video and size will be issues. There is a gap between the K20D and the K2000 that is prime market. The K20D is too expensive, even with the K-7 out. The K2000 is too entry-level for many, especially those who will stay with a brand through lens development. The interesting aspect of the K200D is the WR factor, and the advent of WR on the new "kit lens". That's a good match and a core marketing strength of Pentax. Live View and articulating screens are options with returns, but smaller ones compared to video, power, and WR durability. It still needs to hit the right price point. Most people here will moan (which may be justified) because of probable pentamirrror and absence of HyperM/HyperP.

07-20-2009, 10:38 AM	#24
GLXLR Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Sugar Land, TX Photos: Gallery Posts: 684	Originally posted by vk4akp Well I'm in the market to buy now!. I have a K200D and would like to spend some money Pentax! Current offerings I have no interest in. What I want. - AA Batterys - Pentaprism - LiveView - Video - Weatherproofing - Close to 100% field of view Past that I don't care. ! Although I think the curves of the K200D look much nicer then the ugly flats of the K7 body. Anyhow, please Pentax. Make another great camera in the tradition of the K200D in a similar price and market bracket. But please don't create another dog like the K-M. My open wallet awaits! .-.-. I doubt 100% field of view., although everything else looks reasonable.

07-20-2009, 10:52 AM	#25
thibs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Photos: Albums Posts: 7,001	Originally posted by vk4akp Well I'm in the market to buy now!. I have a K200D and would like to spend some money Pentax! Current offerings I have no interest in. What I want. - AA Batterys - Pentaprism - LiveView - Video - Weatherproofing - Close to 100% field of view Past that I don't care. ! Although I think the curves of the K200D look much nicer then the ugly flats of the K7 body. Anyhow, please Pentax. Make another great camera in the tradition of the K200D in a similar price and market bracket. But please don't create another dog like the K-M. My open wallet awaits! .-.-. IMO minus 100% VF and pentaprism.

07-20-2009, 11:29 AM	#26
vk4akp Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Ipswich / Qld / Australia Photos: Gallery Posts: 133	Oh, I did say close to 100% field of view so 95-96% etc. But pentaprism is a must. Pentamirror is just crap. I'm sorry. The K-M has pentamirror, so that leaves room for the K300D to have Pentaprism surly! .-.-.

07-20-2009, 03:21 PM	#27
thibs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Photos: Albums Posts: 7,001	Originally posted by vk4akp Oh, I did say close to 100% field of view so 95-96% etc. But pentaprism is a must. Pentamirror is just crap. I'm sorry. The K-M has pentamirror, so that leaves room for the K300D to have Pentaprism surly! .-.-. Still doubt it but heck I'd like it to be. I don't need this camera, I have a K-7 and I already love it. Still I'd like others to be happy as well.

07-20-2009, 04:43 PM	#28
Aristophanes Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Rankin Inlet, Nunavut Photos: Albums Posts: 3,948	Originally posted by vk4akp Oh, I did say close to 100% field of view so 95-96% etc. But pentaprism is a must. Pentamirror is just crap. I'm sorry. .-.-. Not going to happen. Prism vs. mirror is the price point breaker. You want a prism? Pony up!

07-20-2009, 05:22 PM	#29
cyg Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Ottawa, ON Posts: 134	Originally posted by vk4akp - AA Batteries - Pentaprism - LiveView - Video - Weatherproofing - Close to 100% field of view Additional guesses: - only one control wheel - 3fps "only" - 14Mp sensor DS-style Pentaprism would be nice, but sounds unlikely...

07-20-2009, 09:00 PM	#30
Das Boot Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Sparkle City, South Cackalacky Photos: Gallery Posts: 689	I think it should be sub-entry level... Just a couple of meaningless buttons and a viewfinder like the one on Rodney Dangerfield's putter in "Caddyshack" that tells you when you have that perfect shot. Maybe a trackball and a touchscreen or roulette wheel would make it nicer.... Oh yeah a couple of built-in games too - 3D of course.