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08-08-2009, 10:46 PM   #136
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QuoteOriginally posted by K-9 Quote
Seems like the majority were in favor of not upgrading from the FA 50.
26.19% is not the majority. The 73.81% who would buy the 55/1.4 even though they already had the FA 50/1.4 are the majority.

08-09-2009, 12:19 AM   #137
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QuoteOriginally posted by Class A Quote
26.19% is not the majority. The 73.81% who would buy the 55/1.4 even though they already had the FA 50/1.4 are the majority.

If you change that from would to will, I think those numbers would change drastically.
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QuoteOriginally posted by K-9 Quote
Unless someone can point me to some astronomical MTF scores wide open, it's just like any other lens where it's always going to be sharper a few stops down. While it may be sharper than other lenses wide open, by the way the posts keep piling up here, you'd think it was sharper at 1.4 than the 43ltd at f4.

Even if you say 200% of it's 260% price increase over the FA is for the weather sealing, it still isn't a 60% overall sharper lens than the FA. Considering it's only for an APS sensor, $650 is way overpriced, IMO. Especially when you can get a Canon 50 f1.4 for $400 and a Nikon G 50mm lens for $464, and both can be utilized in Full Frame.
And still you messure sharpness like you would pay for it linear. You could pay 500% more to just get 5% better sharpness if you need that extra sharpness.

And how on earth would you compare a lens at f4.0 with a lens at f1.4. Yes, the DA*55 would be sharper because you would have a black picture with the FA43LTD at 3 stop slower apparture. :P
Why not compare them at the same fstop. otherwise it makes no sense does it ? How sharp is the 43 LTD at f1.4?? oh right, it doesnt do that. (a lens thats more expencive than the DA*55 here in sweden by 150$)

And according to slrgear the DA*55 at 1.4 is sharper than the fa43 at 1.9. Heck, its almost sharper @1.4 than the FA43 at 2.8.
Pentax Lens: Primes - Pentax 55mm f/1.4 SDM SMC DA* (Tested) - SLRgear.com! -da*55
Pentax Lens: Primes - Pentax 43mm f/1.9 Limited SMC P-FA (Tested) - SLRgear.com! -FA43ltd

You can compare with the rest of the 50s there too.
Sigma Lens: Primes - Sigma 50mm f/1.4 EX DG HSM (Tested) - SLRgear.com! -sigma pretty good but still behind especially at 1.4
Nikon Lens: Primes - Nikon 50mm f/1.4G AF-S Nikkor (Tested) - SLRgear.com! -nikon 50G, pretty bad at 1.4 1.7 and never reaches the sharpness of DA*55 no mather how much you stop down
Canon Lens: Primes - Canon EF 50mm f/1.4 USM (Tested) - SLRgear.com! - canon, useless untill 2.8. Good sharpness after that, but still not as sharp as the pentax
Canon Lens: Primes - Canon EF 50mm f/1.4 USM (Tested) - SLRgear.com! - zeiss, decent at 2.8, but still not good. have to be stopped down another notch.
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QuoteOriginally posted by melander Quote
And still you messure sharpness like you would pay for it linear. You could pay 500% more to just get 5% better sharpness if you need that extra sharpness.

And how on earth would you compare a lens at f4.0 with a lens at f1.4. Yes, the DA*55 would be sharper because you would have a black picture with the FA43LTD at 3 stop slower apparture. :P
Why not compare them at the same fstop. otherwise it makes no sense does it ? How sharp is the 43 LTD at f1.4?? oh right, it doesnt do that. (a lens thats more expencive than the DA*55 here in sweden by 150$)

And according to slrgear the DA*55 at 1.4 is sharper than the fa43 at 1.9. Heck, its almost sharper @1.4 than the FA43 at 2.8.
Pentax Lens: Primes - Pentax 55mm f/1.4 SDM SMC DA* (Tested) - SLRgear.com! -da*55
Pentax Lens: Primes - Pentax 43mm f/1.9 Limited SMC P-FA (Tested) - SLRgear.com! -FA43ltd

You can compare with the rest of the 50s there too.
Sigma Lens: Primes - Sigma 50mm f/1.4 EX DG HSM (Tested) - SLRgear.com! -sigma pretty good but still behind especially at 1.4
Nikon Lens: Primes - Nikon 50mm f/1.4G AF-S Nikkor (Tested) - SLRgear.com! -nikon 50G, pretty bad at 1.4 1.7 and never reaches the sharpness of DA*55 no mather how much you stop down
Canon Lens: Primes - Canon EF 50mm f/1.4 USM (Tested) - SLRgear.com! - canon, useless untill 2.8. Good sharpness after that, but still not as sharp as the pentax
Canon Lens: Primes - Canon EF 50mm f/1.4 USM (Tested) - SLRgear.com! - zeiss, decent at 2.8, but still not good. have to be stopped down another notch.
I guess that site hasn't tested the FA50 yet. Look at the 3 user reviews for the 55. All three mention issues with AF. Not fun for lens that price to have such issues. I'm really surprised to see 3 reviews there, as no one has reviewed it on Amazon, Adorama, or B and H. That tells me that not a lot of these are being sold. The 3 reviews we do have are all bad!

There are 3 reviews on this site:

Pentax smc DA* 55mm f/1.4 SDM Reviews

Again, all 3 mention AF issues and everyone gave it only a 3/5 rating.

Here's another reviewer on this site mentioning the AF problems again:

Pentax Lens Review - Pentax DA 55mm f/1.4 SDM

Then, if you check our 3 reviews here, 1 out of the 3 mentions slow AF.

That's 8 out of 10 reviews I've seen that criticize the AF on this lens. Most people do mention that it's sharp at f 1.4. There seems to be varying opinions on whether bokeh is better, the same, or not as good as the FA50.

So, the two big pluses of this lens are the sharpness wide open, and weathersealing. Everyone has to decide if they want those two features for the extra money, and sacrifice dealing with it's AF issues. If you don't use your camera in foul weather and don't shoot wide open, one would be hard to justify this lens, especially if you're picky about your lens' autofocus abilities.


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The same AF issues have been noticed with the new Nikon 50. This is because they make the focus longer from infinity to closefocus to increase accuracy.

And as stated many times before, how often to you go from infinity to closefocus. When you focus from different subjects at different distances the focus is snappy and precise.

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So, the two big pluses of this lens are the sharpness wide open, and weathersealing. Everyone has to decide if they want those two features for the extra money, and sacrifice dealing with it's AF issues. If you don't use your camera in foul weather and don't shoot wide open, one would be hard to justify this lens, especially if you're picky about your lens' autofocus abilities.
Wouldnt it be hard to justify the FA50/1.4 if you dont shoot wide open too? And maby stick with the kit lens.
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QuoteOriginally posted by melander Quote
The same AF issues have been noticed with the new Nikon 50. This is because they make the focus longer from infinity to closefocus to increase accuracy.

And as stated many times before, how often to you go from infinity to closefocus. When you focus from different subjects at different distances the focus is snappy and precise.



Wouldnt it be hard to justify the FA50/1.4 if you dont shoot wide open too? And maby stick with the kit lens.
Exactly

It has been mentioned in other threads that "all lenses" are just about equal at the 'sweet spot' F8, so I could argue the fact that if you were primarily a landscape shooter where F8-F16 is the norm ,why bother with a Ltd lens, save a ton of $$$ and just shoot with the kit lens??

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If you are a pentaxian like me, you'd better watch your back because, beleive me, the invasion has begun... They are among us, it's for real. We are still a few resistants in the Pentaxworld but for how long ?
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I tried my 55 with my K-7 and the focus is blazing fast compared with my K10D or K20D !

So I suppose the slow focus problem was more a camera problem than a lens problem...

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So I suppose the slow focus problem was more a camera problem than a lens problem...
Not really. The 55/1.4 focuses a bit faster on the K-7 but not much.

However, I think you are right nevertheless, as in most cases it doesn't matter how long a lens takes to go across the entire focusing range but rather how quickly it can obtain focus if it is already close.

In that sense the 55/1.4 might be even quicker than the FA 50/1.4?
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QuoteOriginally posted by Class A Quote
Not really. The 55/1.4 focuses a bit faster on the K-7 but not much.

However, I think you are right nevertheless, as in most cases it doesn't matter how long a lens takes to go across the entire focusing range but rather how quickly it can obtain focus if it is already close.

In that sense the 55/1.4 might be even quicker than the FA 50/1.4?
When I compared the two lenses, I found that the 55 was able to secure focus just as fast on a moving subject as the FA50 when shooting with the K-7. This was the final nail in the FA50's coffin for me.
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