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08-13-2009, 08:11 PM   #31
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QuoteOriginally posted by GLXLR Quote
Nope. If you look closely, you can see the lens is designed much like the Samsung lenses with the "SA" logo block on the lens. It even has the blue ring. Although releasing an 85mm as the first FF lens from Samsung is kinda odd. Google translate also translates the page into a bunch of gibberish (you can pick up a few words but that's it).
With the lenses they already have in the fold, a 85/1.4 could make sense, as Pentax doesn't have one at the moment.

As a big sensor maker, I think it is more Samsung that is interested in FF, than Pentax.


QuoteOriginally posted by Angevinn Quote
The Coating is blue/green much like Nikon's. From what I've seen of the Samyang's their coating is more yellow like Canon's. As a Nikon crossover to Pentax, I hope Samsung goes with the blue/green coating. Blue/Green offers better color to my eyes.

Anyways, I hope this lens (and hopefully more FF Samsung lenses) precludes a FF Samsung or Pentax K Mount DSLR shortly!

A K mount FF DSLR for less than $2,000 with excellent low light capabilities and low noise all around is what I want my next camera to be.

Sony is working on a low price FF DSLR but the Sony 24 million megapixel chip is a dog, it's way too noisy at average speeds and gets worse as you go beyond 800 ISO. I have a friend that has one and am really underwhelmed by it. Supposedly Sony is using this same chip in their next round of FF DSLRs. No thanks.

I'll gladly wait for the Samsung/Pentax FF DSLR!
I think, release will wait till general world economy has cleared up more

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QuoteOriginally posted by nmd Quote
For SLR, no... but as far as I've understood, they're still designing lenses for other types of businesses.

Now, would the core competency be MUCH different to go back to the SLR market ? I wouldn't think so, especially for a fixed focal of "average" length (no extreme wide or tele).


And on the other side... as far as optical engineering is concerned, we all know the A* 85/1.4 is great. If Samsung could get a license on the optical specs, and would just have worked on adding autofocus to it... then we'd have a real killer for sure.
For sure, they could make some sort of SLR lenses that would work...but anything that could compete with the long unbroken expertice on SLR lenses that you find with Pentax, Nikon, Canon and the best they can produce? Schneider has never built anything with autofocus. They have never tweaked optics to do its best on digital sensors etc etc. And the rumor here is not about an average kit lens but a presumably awesome 85mm (what would the point be if it was not at least as good as the current Samyan, Vivitar etc offers?). And if the demand is only as low as to make a lens that produce a picture, they will have a multitude of possibly partners with at least as much know-how as Schneider. Including whomever make the lenses for the Samsung point-and-shoot and the coming NX (if this is Samsung themself or not I do not know). If it is not a Pentax lens, I think this is a much more likely source than Scheider. Most likely is still probably that this is a fake. (Don't missunderstand me, I'd like to see a fast K mount 85mm with autofocus full frame or not, it would act close to a fast 135mm on my APS-C's...I'm just sceptic.)
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Maybe they've hired russians to redesign zenitar/helios lenses . They could do that. Those people can make elephants fly.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Angevinn Quote
I'll gladly wait for the Samsung/Pentax FF DSLR!
I`m doing that right now. Waiting that is

Actually when Sony announced 135/1:1.8 it was the day that they delivered a message "we will have FF"

Hope Samsung is going the same path here with 85\1.4

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Well have Samsung or even Pentax for that matter ever stated that SAMSUNG wont make FF?
I remember only Pentax telling of sticking to APS-C, nothing about Samsung, or am i wrong?

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Considering Samsung are working on 35mm sensor tech you would expect them to release some full frame lenses before hand that would also be popular with APS-c. There is very little benefit in making and 85/1.4 APS-c only so if this lens does exist (considering the lens in the picture is clearly something new) it is most likely full frame. Its probably just a mix up in translation, I'e the lens is for APS-c cameras (K-mount) not NX, but it would be compatible with full frame.
Considering how massive a company samsung is, I see no reason that they couldn't make and design their own lenses if they wanted too.
08-15-2009, 12:11 AM   #37
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Just a funny thought,

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has anybody noticed that while the first photo isn't focused on the camera or the lens, it is focused on the beer(?) bottle and the partial view of its label reads "ass"? Now that would be a great prank, wouldn't it?
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(And so people won't think I'm dead serious about this...)

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Lol i didnt notice. I just tought the DOF was very shallow or AF has missed. But the bear bottle is so in focus.

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To me it looks like a rebranded DA* 55mm 1.4. I could be wrong though, as I didn't compare pictures of the 2. It looks too small to be an 85mm 1.4, unless it is designed specifically for APS-C.
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Well if one really has s**tloads of free time the image seems to be orthognal enough (Long FL) to find the dimensions of the lens (distance, front element) from known camera dimensions.

This could save some time for people rumoring.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Votesh Quote
To me it looks like a rebranded DA* 55mm 1.4. I could be wrong though, as I didn't compare pictures of the 2. It looks too small to be an 85mm 1.4, unless it is designed specifically for APS-C.

An 85/1.4 made for APS will have exactly the same dimension as one for 35mm FF. It looks like a 85/1.4 lens to me judging from the front lens diametre.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Pål Jensen Quote
An 85/1.4 made for APS will have exactly the same dimension as one for 35mm FF. It looks like a 85/1.4 lens to me judging from the front lens diametre.
But less glass and therefore cheaper.

Either way, it doesn't look like the 55mm at all. The front element looks wayyy too huge.
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QuoteOriginally posted by GLXLR Quote
But less glass and therefore cheaper.

Either way, it doesn't look like the 55mm at all. The front element looks wayyy too huge.
have you seen the front element of Sigma 50/1.4?
That one is far bigger than any other 50/1.4, so one never knows. It would be nice though if Samsung managed to get their own lenses into production. It would mean more choice for users. It would be even nicer if Schneider would really have their hands in it. I know, some said they haven't made SLR lenses for ages, but why couldn't they start again?!? At the end of the day they are one of the fines optical companies, ever, full stop. I'm not too sure if they are actualy co-developing with Samsung (f.e. lenses for P&S cameras labeled S-K) or they just sold the name. If the first would be actually true, than ther result of cooperation between Hoya - Pentax - Tokina and Samsung - Schneider could be actualy VERY SWEET indeed. I know it's probably a far (maybe even too far) fetched dream, but oh boy, I think I'd rather enjoy that kind of cooperation in the name of K mount.

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But less glass and therefore cheaper.
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No. The same amount of glass, but a slightly smaller exit pupil. However, the price difference between this piece of glass and and one covering FF is probably measured in cents.....
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QuoteOriginally posted by axl Quote
have you seen the front element of Sigma 50/1.4?
That one is far bigger than any other 50/1.4, so one never knows. It would be nice though if Samsung managed to get their own lenses into production. It would mean more choice for users. It would be even nicer if Schneider would really have their hands in it. I know, some said they haven't made SLR lenses for ages, but why couldn't they start again?!?Peter


Samsung doesn't make SLR lenses. They certainly won't start with a 85/1.4, a 60 Macro and a 300/2.8! With Samsungs marketshare they would sell minuscule numbers of these lenses. All Samsung DSLR lenses are made by Pentax. Less than six months ago Samsung said that their cooperation in DSLR's are still with Pentax. These lenses are Pentax lenses until proven otherwise! Conceivably, Samsung could get someone else like Cosina to make an 85/1.4 for them but hardly anyone I can think of have 300/2.8 lying around (except Pentax)....
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