future of pentax

Nubi · 08-25-2009, 02:03 PM

I wonder if there is a such thing as excellence in aesthetics. Just wondering...

**Ash** · 08-25-2009, 02:40 PM

Originally posted by lithos

You exemplify everything I hate about Apple users, X Man.

Oh suck it up, man. You know you love 'em.

nostatic · 08-25-2009, 02:41 PM

Originally posted by Nubi

I wonder if there is a such thing as excellence in aesthetics. Just wondering...

Of course there is. It is not absolute though, and is up to individual interpretation.

**Ash** · 08-25-2009, 02:42 PM

Originally posted by Nubi

I wonder if there is a such thing as excellence in aesthetics. Just wondering...

Maybe perhaps innovation in aesthetics...

knumbnutz · 08-25-2009, 03:45 PM

Originally posted by Ash

Maybe perhaps innovation in aesthetics...

I think the new EP1 olypus is that innovation. Retro looks, slr lenses, point n shoot body.
If you really want to compare how this works else where, look at harley-davidson.
From bankrupt in the 70's to a "lifestyle" now. When u buy harley you dont just buy the bike you buy into a club. You get tshirts and bandana etc. That is the real money for them, The extras.

If pentax want to succeed they need not play with the big boys on their ground (or put all their cookies in one jar) so much, they need to become a leica/HD type which stands alone and becomes a niche product.
Cameras like the 67iiD and 645D are those sort of products that canon/nikon dont and never had because they only want to cater to the mass market and they are the sort of product that can also stand alone.

Anyway there is plenty of room for pentax, they just need to muscle in a bit more with something substantial, something that is defining.

Cheers Neil

MikePerham · 08-25-2009, 06:51 PM

Originally posted by knumbnutz

If pentax want to succeed they need not play with the big boys on their ground (or put all their cookies in one jar) so much, they need to become a leica/HD type which stands alone and becomes a niche product.
Cameras like the 67iiD and 645D are those sort of products that canon/nikon dont and never had because they only want to cater to the mass market and they are the sort of product that can also stand alone.

Anyway there is plenty of room for pentax, they just need to muscle in a bit more with something substantial, something that is defining.

I think you are correct in your hypothesis. I might add that the K-7 has the making of being an DSLR that could partner very well with the likes of a 645D to define that kind of market niche. Pentax need to round out their line of DA* lenses with additions at both ends and then market to the enthusiast market rather than the plebeian masses. I am sure there are enough of us (enthusiasts) around to support the brand.

awo425 · 08-26-2009, 06:10 AM

Originally posted by knumbnutz

I think the new EP1 olypus is that innovation. Retro looks, slr lenses, point n shoot body.
If you really want to compare how this works else where, look at harley-davidson.
From bankrupt in the 70's to a "lifestyle" now. When u buy harley you dont just buy the bike you buy into a club. You get tshirts and bandana etc. That is the real money for them, The extras.

If pentax want to succeed they need not play with the big boys on their ground (or put all their cookies in one jar) so much, they need to become a leica/HD type which stands alone and becomes a niche product.
Cameras like the 67iiD and 645D are those sort of products that canon/nikon dont and never had because they only want to cater to the mass market and they are the sort of product that can also stand alone.

Anyway there is plenty of room for pentax, they just need to muscle in a bit more with something substantial, something that is defining.

Cheers Neil

Both leica/HD doing quite badly in today's economy.
Not to mention the fact that HD, although a very pretty image, is way behind the competition as a motorcycle, except maybe one watercooled model. Not a good suggestion to Pentax overall IMHO.
BTW I think Pentax is moving in this direction lately, accessories/lenses are more and more expensive and if the trend will continue, they will be more expensive that Canon and Nikon.

**Ash** · 08-26-2009, 06:14 AM

Originally posted by knumbnutz

Anyway there is plenty of room for pentax, they just need to muscle in a bit more with something substantial, something that is defining.

Cheers Neil

Like offering its dSLR customers a Pentax bandana and T-shirt...

Nubi · 08-26-2009, 06:32 AM

Originally posted by nostatic

Of course there is. It is not absolute though, and is up to individual interpretation.

You see, if not absolute and left up to individual interpretation, how the excellence is defined might become extremely frustrating.

nostatic · 08-26-2009, 09:12 AM

Originally posted by Nubi

You see, if not absolute and left up to individual interpretation, how the excellence is defined might become extremely frustrating.

There are some things that many can agree on. There are other things that few can agree on.

Give "Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance" a read.

knumbnutz · 08-26-2009, 03:59 PM

Originally posted by awo425

Both leica/HD doing quite badly in today's economy.
Not to mention the fact that HD, although a very pretty image, is way behind the competition as a motorcycle, except maybe one watercooled model. Not a good suggestion to Pentax overall IMHO.
BTW I think Pentax is moving in this direction lately, accessories/lenses are more and more expensive and if the trend will continue, they will be more expensive that Canon and Nikon.

Yes, but very few motor vehicle companies are doing well in this climate at the moment.
In the states very few people buy their modern bikes, which do better O/S but if you look at stats here in Oz for example, the older style HD bikes take out (on average) 3-4 of the top ten bikes sold per year. People buy them not cause theyre modern but their style.
Lets face it, leica is not cheap, and i doubt if panasonic wasnt using them whether they would be still around at all.
On the other hand Hassleblad arent doing so badly because they have the medium format cameras and the name. They dont have competition. In fact there is still big demand for Xpan's which again is a huge niche that i cant believe no one wants.
This is where i could see Pentax develop. They are the only current big player that has had major cameras in 6x7, 6x4.5, 35, and apsc and they should make the most of it.
I just wish they would make a digital xpan, but thats me being greedy.
Cheers Neil

Nubi · 08-26-2009, 06:20 PM

I think it is quite possible that every single camera manufacture on the market will go entirely out of business and that the days of DSLR, or any optic equipment for personal entertainment and amusement, will all be over soon.

gazonk · 08-27-2009, 01:15 AM

Originally posted by Nubi

I think it is quite possible that every single camera manufacture on the market will go entirely out of business and that the days of DSLR, or any optic equipment for personal entertainment and amusement, will all be over soon.

I think it's possible that a blue whale will materialise in the stratosphere any day soon. But only remotely possible.

Nubi · 08-27-2009, 05:11 AM

We all will have to find ourselves new hobbies.

**monochrome** · 08-27-2009, 05:37 AM

Originally posted by KungPOW

....that's what a wife is for...

Originally posted by monochrome

Maybe that's why mine drives the Subaru.

Originally posted by nostatic

You're wife is a lesbian?

Well, I suppose that might be interesting if she's open minded...

Nah. She just likes to tweak peoples assumptions.

It was really a blast to see the looks when she pulled up at a Lacrosse game with kids in the seats, groceries in the back, a Yakima rack on the top and a W04 sticker on the rear window.

We just appreciate good engineering. Kinda like Pentax.

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08-25-2009, 02:03 PM	#46
Nubi Guest	I wonder if there is a such thing as excellence in aesthetics. Just wondering...

08-25-2009, 02:40 PM	#47
Ash Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Toowoomba, Queensland Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,920	Originally posted by lithos You exemplify everything I hate about Apple users, X Man. Oh suck it up, man. You know you love 'em.

08-25-2009, 02:41 PM	#48
nostatic Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: socal Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,575	Originally posted by Nubi I wonder if there is a such thing as excellence in aesthetics. Just wondering... Of course there is. It is not absolute though, and is up to individual interpretation.

08-25-2009, 02:42 PM	#49
Ash Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Toowoomba, Queensland Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,920	Originally posted by Nubi I wonder if there is a such thing as excellence in aesthetics. Just wondering... Maybe perhaps innovation in aesthetics...

08-25-2009, 03:45 PM	#50
knumbnutz Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Melbourne, Australia Photos: Gallery Posts: 394	Originally posted by Ash Maybe perhaps innovation in aesthetics... I think the new EP1 olypus is that innovation. Retro looks, slr lenses, point n shoot body. If you really want to compare how this works else where, look at harley-davidson. From bankrupt in the 70's to a "lifestyle" now. When u buy harley you dont just buy the bike you buy into a club. You get tshirts and bandana etc. That is the real money for them, The extras. If pentax want to succeed they need not play with the big boys on their ground (or put all their cookies in one jar) so much, they need to become a leica/HD type which stands alone and becomes a niche product. Cameras like the 67iiD and 645D are those sort of products that canon/nikon dont and never had because they only want to cater to the mass market and they are the sort of product that can also stand alone. Anyway there is plenty of room for pentax, they just need to muscle in a bit more with something substantial, something that is defining. Cheers Neil

08-25-2009, 06:51 PM	#51
MikePerham Veteran Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Prince George, BC Canada Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 642	Originally posted by knumbnutz If pentax want to succeed they need not play with the big boys on their ground (or put all their cookies in one jar) so much, they need to become a leica/HD type which stands alone and becomes a niche product. Cameras like the 67iiD and 645D are those sort of products that canon/nikon dont and never had because they only want to cater to the mass market and they are the sort of product that can also stand alone. Anyway there is plenty of room for pentax, they just need to muscle in a bit more with something substantial, something that is defining. I think you are correct in your hypothesis. I might add that the K-7 has the making of being an DSLR that could partner very well with the likes of a 645D to define that kind of market niche. Pentax need to round out their line of DA* lenses with additions at both ends and then market to the enthusiast market rather than the plebeian masses. I am sure there are enough of us (enthusiasts) around to support the brand.

08-26-2009, 06:10 AM	#52
awo425 Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: NYC, USA Posts: 481	Originally posted by knumbnutz I think the new EP1 olypus is that innovation. Retro looks, slr lenses, point n shoot body. If you really want to compare how this works else where, look at harley-davidson. From bankrupt in the 70's to a "lifestyle" now. When u buy harley you dont just buy the bike you buy into a club. You get tshirts and bandana etc. That is the real money for them, The extras. If pentax want to succeed they need not play with the big boys on their ground (or put all their cookies in one jar) so much, they need to become a leica/HD type which stands alone and becomes a niche product. Cameras like the 67iiD and 645D are those sort of products that canon/nikon dont and never had because they only want to cater to the mass market and they are the sort of product that can also stand alone. Anyway there is plenty of room for pentax, they just need to muscle in a bit more with something substantial, something that is defining. Cheers Neil Both leica/HD doing quite badly in today's economy. Not to mention the fact that HD, although a very pretty image, is way behind the competition as a motorcycle, except maybe one watercooled model. Not a good suggestion to Pentax overall IMHO. BTW I think Pentax is moving in this direction lately, accessories/lenses are more and more expensive and if the trend will continue, they will be more expensive that Canon and Nikon.

08-26-2009, 06:14 AM	#53
Ash Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Toowoomba, Queensland Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,920	Originally posted by knumbnutz Anyway there is plenty of room for pentax, they just need to muscle in a bit more with something substantial, something that is defining. Cheers Neil Like offering its dSLR customers a Pentax bandana and T-shirt...

08-26-2009, 06:32 AM	#54
Nubi Guest	Originally posted by nostatic Of course there is. It is not absolute though, and is up to individual interpretation. You see, if not absolute and left up to individual interpretation, how the excellence is defined might become extremely frustrating.

08-26-2009, 09:12 AM	#55
nostatic Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: socal Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,575	Originally posted by Nubi You see, if not absolute and left up to individual interpretation, how the excellence is defined might become extremely frustrating. There are some things that many can agree on. There are other things that few can agree on. Give "Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance" a read.

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08-26-2009, 03:59 PM	#56
knumbnutz Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Melbourne, Australia Photos: Gallery Posts: 394	Originally posted by awo425 Both leica/HD doing quite badly in today's economy. Not to mention the fact that HD, although a very pretty image, is way behind the competition as a motorcycle, except maybe one watercooled model. Not a good suggestion to Pentax overall IMHO. BTW I think Pentax is moving in this direction lately, accessories/lenses are more and more expensive and if the trend will continue, they will be more expensive that Canon and Nikon. Yes, but very few motor vehicle companies are doing well in this climate at the moment. In the states very few people buy their modern bikes, which do better O/S but if you look at stats here in Oz for example, the older style HD bikes take out (on average) 3-4 of the top ten bikes sold per year. People buy them not cause theyre modern but their style. Lets face it, leica is not cheap, and i doubt if panasonic wasnt using them whether they would be still around at all. On the other hand Hassleblad arent doing so badly because they have the medium format cameras and the name. They dont have competition. In fact there is still big demand for Xpan's which again is a huge niche that i cant believe no one wants. This is where i could see Pentax develop. They are the only current big player that has had major cameras in 6x7, 6x4.5, 35, and apsc and they should make the most of it. I just wish they would make a digital xpan, but thats me being greedy. Cheers Neil

08-26-2009, 06:20 PM	#57
Nubi Guest	I think it is quite possible that every single camera manufacture on the market will go entirely out of business and that the days of DSLR, or any optic equipment for personal entertainment and amusement, will all be over soon.

08-27-2009, 01:15 AM	#58
gazonk Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Oslo area, Norway Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,746	Originally posted by Nubi I think it is quite possible that every single camera manufacture on the market will go entirely out of business and that the days of DSLR, or any optic equipment for personal entertainment and amusement, will all be over soon. I think it's possible that a blue whale will materialise in the stratosphere any day soon. But only remotely possible.

08-27-2009, 05:11 AM	#59
Nubi Guest	We all will have to find ourselves new hobbies.

08-27-2009, 05:37 AM	#60
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Originally posted by KungPOW ....that's what a wife is for... Originally posted by monochrome Maybe that's why mine drives the Subaru. Originally posted by nostatic You're wife is a lesbian? Well, I suppose that might be interesting if she's open minded... Nah. She just likes to tweak peoples assumptions. It was really a blast to see the looks when she pulled up at a Lacrosse game with kids in the seats, groceries in the back, a Yakima rack on the top and a W04 sticker on the rear window. We just appreciate good engineering. Kinda like Pentax.