Pentax Had a 4% Share of DSLR in 2008

Das Boot · 09-19-2009, 02:58 PM

I think the biggest hurdle for Pentax is getting their cameras in US stores. I don't think the spark to buy a dSLR here happens until a potential consumer picks one up. Hands down Pentax just feels better in build quality when compared to like-priced competition. Has anyone here picked up one of the competitions cameras lately. Canons feel like cheap plastic toys and Nikons aren't far behind. When I bought a k200d, I picked up a XSi and a D60 and it was a no brainer. This kind of exposure is priceless and greatly needed.

jct us101 · 09-19-2009, 03:16 PM

Originally posted by Das Boot

I think the biggest hurdle for Pentax is getting their cameras in US stores. I don't think the spark to buy a dSLR here happens until a potential consumer picks one up. Hands down Pentax just feels better in build quality when compared to like-priced competition. Has anyone here picked up one of the competitions cameras lately. Canons feel like cheap plastic toys and Nikons aren't far behind. When I bought a k200d, I picked up a XSi and a D60 and it was a no brainer. This kind of exposure is priceless and greatly needed.

You're making that mistake where you think that people will pick up a camera and want it because it feels good. People will pick up a Canon and a Nikon because it has their logo on it.

aleonx3 · 09-19-2009, 04:21 PM

Putting the camera on display behind the counter is good but putting the camera for everybody to touch (like Bestbuy did) is bad; as most of time, the cameras are really abused (missing parts and full of germs with smudges). Most of those who bought Pentax because they ask for it, not being sold by sales people.

thibs · 09-20-2009, 02:48 AM

Originally posted by jct us101

You're making that mistake where you think that people will pick up a camera and want it because it feels good. People will pick up a Canon and a Nikon because it has their logo on it.

Maybe... If you tell them, they won't buy it. If they see it, yes they really might do. It's cool, yeah.

Blue · 09-20-2009, 10:06 AM

Originally posted by thibs

Maybe... If you tell them, they won't buy it. If they see it, yes they really might do. It's cool, yeah.

It is definitely better than not being able to see and handle one before buying.

keyser · 09-20-2009, 10:31 AM

The problem is that people graduate to SLR technology, they don't tend to start with it. Pentax need to expand their brand and reputation in the high end P&S market before their SLR market share will increase.

fwbigd · 09-20-2009, 11:03 AM

Pentax had the largest selling SLR in history the K1000. Mostly sold to photography students. Yet when the students finished the schooling they bought Canons or Nikons. It's all about marketing...

thibs · 09-20-2009, 12:12 PM

Originally posted by keyser

The problem is that people graduate to SLR technology, they don't tend to start with it. Pentax need to expand their brand and reputation in the high end P&S market before their SLR market share will increase.

High end P&S? Does such thing exist?

I know it exists but most people do not. Moreover, having a P&S which cost 300+ euros is not serious at all, I mean, such an expensive camera has to be bigger don't you think?

Ok, this is BS but most people will react that way

aleonx3 · 09-20-2009, 12:28 PM

Originally posted by thibs

High end P&S? Does such thing exist?

You ask a Canon user, the G10 is the high-end P&S which also provides external flash and some (limited) degree of control. I believe most people use it as a backup camera or rather use it in stealth mode. BTW, Ricoh GR series is also regarded as advanced P&S.

keyser · 09-20-2009, 04:59 PM

Originally posted by thibs

High end P&S? Does such thing exist?

I know it exists but most people do not. Moreover, having a P&S which cost 300+ euros is not serious at all, I mean, such an expensive camera has to be bigger don't you think?

Ok, this is BS but most people will react that way

Ok, point taken

I think that the thing people wany most from a camera is good photos; it seems obvious, but it's easily forgotton. My other half has a Panasonic P&S with 28-486mm equiv Lica lens on it. Suffice to say that the pictures are very very good!

Now suppose she wants more control over focus and depth of field, she's going to either step up to a m4/3 Panasonic, or a Canon/Nikon. Pentax isn't the obvious upgrade, nor is it the cheapest upgrade.

Pentax need to make a **really** cheap entry level k-mount dSLR camera to capture these upgraders who just want a big P&S with proper controls! Once they've bought into the system, they'll want the next model up... that's where Canon have been really successful.

gazonk · 09-21-2009, 01:40 AM

Originally posted by keyser

Pentax need to make a **really** cheap entry level k-mount dSLR camera to capture these upgraders who just want a big P&S with proper controls!

But they do - isn't the K-m/K2000 one of the cheapest out there now? It still appears on the pentax.jp site, it is not discontinued yet.

EDIT: I just checked japanese yodobashi.com, and it seems like the only camera they currently sell that is slightly cheaper than the K-m is the Sony A230. I also checked bestbuy.com - and there the K2000 is the least expensive (A230 is #2).

Kunzite · 09-21-2009, 04:39 AM

Originally posted by keyser

Pentax need to make a **really** cheap entry level k-mount dSLR camera to capture these upgraders who just want a big P&S with proper controls!

That's what the K-x is. Yep, the 650$ list price K-x. Right now, it's not the cheapest camera, it can't compete on price with 3-years old cameras. But as the K-m, it's designed to be sold at much lower prices while still making a profit.

thibs · 09-21-2009, 08:32 AM

Originally posted by aleonx3

You ask a Canon user, the G10 is the high-end P&S which also provides external flash and some (limited) degree of control. I believe most people use it as a backup camera or rather use it in stealth mode. BTW, Ricoh GR series is also regarded as advanced P&S.

My comments were tongue in cheek. Read again all comments from my post. And not the smilies

Eruditass · 09-21-2009, 11:09 AM

Originally posted by jct us101

You're making that mistake where you think that people will pick up a camera and want it because it feels good. People will pick up a Canon and a Nikon because it has their logo on it.

Some people will:

Thanks for the help. I bought it today :): Pentax SLR Talk Forum: Digital Photography Review

keyser · 09-21-2009, 01:36 PM

I own a Canon XS as my digital body. I bought it because it's a very capible 10mp shooter, I can use lens adaptors and still meter, and it cost $425CDN with Kit lens. If there was a Pentax model there in its place I would have concidered it.

There were no Pentax models in the shop I bought it. I don't believe that Bestbuy or Walmart or Futureshop sell Pentax either. The only big store that does is London Drugs and the cheapest model is twice the price. (K20D $1000).

If Pentax isn't put in front of somebody and the customer doesn't seek out Pentax equipment, they aren't going to buy it. The average Joe doesn't venture into a camera store these days. Even if they do, I dare say that the typical camera store employee would recommend the Canon or Nikon models because it would be an easier sell.

09-21-2009, 01:40 AM	#26
gazonk Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Oslo area, Norway Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,520	Originally posted by keyser Pentax need to make a really cheap entry level k-mount dSLR camera to capture these upgraders who just want a big P&S with proper controls! But they do - isn't the K-m/K2000 one of the cheapest out there now? It still appears on the pentax.jp site, it is not discontinued yet. EDIT: I just checked japanese yodobashi.com, and it seems like the only camera they currently sell that is slightly cheaper than the K-m is the Sony A230. I also checked bestbuy.com - and there the K2000 is the least expensive (A230 is #2). Last edited by gazonk; 09-21-2009 at 01:50 AM.

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09-19-2009, 02:58 PM	#16
Das Boot Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Sparkle City, South Cackalacky Photos: Gallery Posts: 689	I think the biggest hurdle for Pentax is getting their cameras in US stores. I don't think the spark to buy a dSLR here happens until a potential consumer picks one up. Hands down Pentax just feels better in build quality when compared to like-priced competition. Has anyone here picked up one of the competitions cameras lately. Canons feel like cheap plastic toys and Nikons aren't far behind. When I bought a k200d, I picked up a XSi and a D60 and it was a no brainer. This kind of exposure is priceless and greatly needed.

09-19-2009, 03:16 PM	#17
jct us101 Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Rohnert Park, CA Posts: 3,695	Originally posted by Das Boot I think the biggest hurdle for Pentax is getting their cameras in US stores. I don't think the spark to buy a dSLR here happens until a potential consumer picks one up. Hands down Pentax just feels better in build quality when compared to like-priced competition. Has anyone here picked up one of the competitions cameras lately. Canons feel like cheap plastic toys and Nikons aren't far behind. When I bought a k200d, I picked up a XSi and a D60 and it was a no brainer. This kind of exposure is priceless and greatly needed. You're making that mistake where you think that people will pick up a camera and want it because it feels good. People will pick up a Canon and a Nikon because it has their logo on it.

09-19-2009, 04:21 PM	#18
aleonx3 Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Brampton, Ontario Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,944	Putting the camera on display behind the counter is good but putting the camera for everybody to touch (like Bestbuy did) is bad; as most of time, the cameras are really abused (missing parts and full of germs with smudges). Most of those who bought Pentax because they ask for it, not being sold by sales people.

09-20-2009, 02:48 AM	#19
thibs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Photos: Albums Posts: 5,451	Originally posted by jct us101 You're making that mistake where you think that people will pick up a camera and want it because it feels good. People will pick up a Canon and a Nikon because it has their logo on it. Maybe... If you tell them, they won't buy it. If they see it, yes they really might do. It's cool, yeah.

09-20-2009, 10:06 AM	#20
Blue Moderator Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Florida Hill Country Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 17,222	Originally posted by thibs Maybe... If you tell them, they won't buy it. If they see it, yes they really might do. It's cool, yeah. It is definitely better than not being able to see and handle one before buying.

09-20-2009, 10:31 AM	#21
keyser Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Tsawwassen, BC Posts: 376	The problem is that people graduate to SLR technology, they don't tend to start with it. Pentax need to expand their brand and reputation in the high end P&S market before their SLR market share will increase.

09-20-2009, 11:03 AM	#22
fwbigd Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Fort Worth TX Posts: 332 Original Poster	Pentax had the largest selling SLR in history the K1000. Mostly sold to photography students. Yet when the students finished the schooling they bought Canons or Nikons. It's all about marketing...

09-20-2009, 12:12 PM	#23
thibs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Photos: Albums Posts: 5,451	Originally posted by keyser The problem is that people graduate to SLR technology, they don't tend to start with it. Pentax need to expand their brand and reputation in the high end P&S market before their SLR market share will increase. High end P&S? Does such thing exist? I know it exists but most people do not. Moreover, having a P&S which cost 300+ euros is not serious at all, I mean, such an expensive camera has to be bigger don't you think? Ok, this is BS but most people will react that way

09-20-2009, 12:28 PM	#24
aleonx3 Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Brampton, Ontario Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,944	Originally posted by thibs High end P&S? Does such thing exist? You ask a Canon user, the G10 is the high-end P&S which also provides external flash and some (limited) degree of control. I believe most people use it as a backup camera or rather use it in stealth mode. BTW, Ricoh GR series is also regarded as advanced P&S.

09-20-2009, 04:59 PM	#25
keyser Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Tsawwassen, BC Posts: 376	Originally posted by thibs High end P&S? Does such thing exist? I know it exists but most people do not. Moreover, having a P&S which cost 300+ euros is not serious at all, I mean, such an expensive camera has to be bigger don't you think? Ok, this is BS but most people will react that way Ok, point taken I think that the thing people wany most from a camera is good photos; it seems obvious, but it's easily forgotton. My other half has a Panasonic P&S with 28-486mm equiv Lica lens on it. Suffice to say that the pictures are very very good! Now suppose she wants more control over focus and depth of field, she's going to either step up to a m4/3 Panasonic, or a Canon/Nikon. Pentax isn't the obvious upgrade, nor is it the cheapest upgrade. Pentax need to make a really cheap entry level k-mount dSLR camera to capture these upgraders who just want a big P&S with proper controls! Once they've bought into the system, they'll want the next model up... that's where Canon have been really successful.

09-21-2009, 04:39 AM	#27
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 10,220	Originally posted by keyser Pentax need to make a really cheap entry level k-mount dSLR camera to capture these upgraders who just want a big P&S with proper controls! That's what the K-x is. Yep, the 650$ list price K-x. Right now, it's not the cheapest camera, it can't compete on price with 3-years old cameras. But as the K-m, it's designed to be sold at much lower prices while still making a profit.

09-21-2009, 08:32 AM	#28
thibs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Photos: Albums Posts: 5,451	Originally posted by aleonx3 You ask a Canon user, the G10 is the high-end P&S which also provides external flash and some (limited) degree of control. I believe most people use it as a backup camera or rather use it in stealth mode. BTW, Ricoh GR series is also regarded as advanced P&S. My comments were tongue in cheek. Read again all comments from my post. And not the smilies

09-21-2009, 11:09 AM	#29
Eruditass Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,206	Originally posted by jct us101 You're making that mistake where you think that people will pick up a camera and want it because it feels good. People will pick up a Canon and a Nikon because it has their logo on it. Some people will: Thanks for the help. I bought it today :): Pentax SLR Talk Forum: Digital Photography Review

09-21-2009, 01:36 PM	#30
keyser Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Tsawwassen, BC Posts: 376	I own a Canon XS as my digital body. I bought it because it's a very capible 10mp shooter, I can use lens adaptors and still meter, and it cost $425CDN with Kit lens. If there was a Pentax model there in its place I would have concidered it. There were no Pentax models in the shop I bought it. I don't believe that Bestbuy or Walmart or Futureshop sell Pentax either. The only big store that does is London Drugs and the cheapest model is twice the price. (K20D $1000). If Pentax isn't put in front of somebody and the customer doesn't seek out Pentax equipment, they aren't going to buy it. The average Joe doesn't venture into a camera store these days. Even if they do, I dare say that the typical camera store employee would recommend the Canon or Nikon models because it would be an easier sell.