Hands On at the Pentax Event last night

OutOfFocus · 09-17-2009, 04:28 PM

Thanks a lot for the great report. It was really helpful.

aleonx3 · 09-17-2009, 04:41 PM

Thanks, 100meters, for the report.

There is one coming up tomorrow and Saturday at the local camera store. I may check them out too. Also, with rebate from old K10D for 350 CAD if I purchase K-7, I might not want to wait until Xmas or price drop of K-7.

100meters · 09-17-2009, 05:48 PM

Originally posted by opiedog

do the focus points display in Live view?
tnx

This one I can't answer, unfortunately I didn't really explore the live view, I used the zoom functions to focus manually in live view, as that's how I've typically used it with my current camera, but in this context I wanted to see how useful or not the 230k display was.

Arpe · 09-17-2009, 06:14 PM

Originally posted by 100meters

...less thinking more doing type of thing..

Sounds very dangerous. If they keep on bringing out new models every 6 months I wonder if that's a good thing or a bad thing? Hmmm.

100meters · 09-17-2009, 07:45 PM

Originally posted by Arpe

Sounds very dangerous. If they keep on bringing out new models every 6 months I wonder if that's a good thing or a bad thing? Hmmm.

Well, they weren't saying every 6 months for DSLR cameras, (they were for P and S), but their point was that perhaps in the past that they had gotten too bogged down in the details, or research, or market testing, and by the time they released a camera it was already behind the curve so to speak, so the new approach, encouraged it seemed by Hoya was to think it, make it, then critique it---and they seemed to have some evidence behind them to make a good case for that approach.

I guess the talk could be summed up by:
#1 goal: Increasing profitability
The method: more active approach to getting cameras out, creating synergy and consistency in the line, targeted marketing and "responsible selling" telling dealers hey our cameras aren't for everybody, let's get them in the right hands.

And again the mood was very positive, excited, and optimistic, and further the approach is working, financially headed in the right direction, love the reaction to the K-7, etc.

jct us101 · 09-17-2009, 07:53 PM

Originally posted by 100meters

This one I can't answer, unfortunately I didn't really explore the live view, I used the zoom functions to focus manually in live view, as that's how I've typically used it with my current camera, but in this context I wanted to see how useful or not the 230k display was.

Well, how useful was it?

ogl · 09-17-2009, 09:04 PM

Originally posted by opiszon

on LCD - there is dedicated screen, for AF-mode/point selection

it's rather slow to select in such way and if you forget to come back to center...

or if you use K-x in noisy places...

ogl · 09-17-2009, 09:06 PM

Originally posted by equinox

Ya the 4.7FPS will definitely shut up those j@ckAsses (Me) now!

Everytime I look over the specs I am trying to figure out what changed at the Pentax HQ. If this is the future of Pentax creating pull into the line from point-n-shooters then they are finally thinking big.

4.7 fps and 5 RAW are rather strange....
D5000 has 4 fps and 11 RAW or 100 JPEG.

jct us101 · 09-17-2009, 09:23 PM

I thought it did 17 RAW.

Eruditass · 09-17-2009, 09:36 PM

17 JPEG, 5 RAW.

Smaller than I'd like for RAW, but most continuous shots I will do will be in good lighting. Also, actually, I can't say I've shot more than 3 or 4 burst shots in a row with my K2000

100meters · 09-17-2009, 10:07 PM

Originally posted by jct us101

Well, how useful was it?

That would have helped to mention...It's ok... it's a price point issue, and given the competition, they seemed to think this was pretty standard. I felt it looked pretty good considering, better to me than the E-620, but perhaps just "warmer". As for getting critical focus, it's not optimal, but it gets the job done. I was jaded by the K-7 though...

alexfoto · 09-17-2009, 10:34 PM

I think this camera is a good synthesis between the K200D and the k-m.

If possible i would like known only one thing:
is it possible adjust eventual problem of back/front focus directly in camera or not?

Thanks.

lithos · 09-17-2009, 10:41 PM

Originally posted by 100meters

In part, true. The folks from Pentax were saying that Hoya want's to push them forward with their ideas, less thinking more doing type of thing, all while focusing on selective marketing---cameras for photographers. To that point more advertising in the places they've been placing ads already, like photo mags, photo websites etc.

I'm glad that Hoya's let Pentax have its head, not "Look, if you made decent cameras, you wouldn't have been bought out by another company, would you? You're all fired."

ogl · 09-17-2009, 11:41 PM

Originally posted by alexfoto

I think this camera is a good synthesis between the K200D and the k-m.

If possible i would like known only one thing:
is it possible adjust eventual problem of back/front focus directly in camera or not?

Thanks.

K-x has nothing from K200D

jct us101 · 09-17-2009, 11:48 PM

Originally posted by ogl

K-x has nothing from K200D

Oh would you quit it.

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09-17-2009, 04:41 PM	#17
aleonx3 Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Brampton, Ontario Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,996	Thanks, 100meters, for the report. There is one coming up tomorrow and Saturday at the local camera store. I may check them out too. Also, with rebate from old K10D for 350 CAD if I purchase K-7, I might not want to wait until Xmas or price drop of K-7.

09-17-2009, 05:48 PM	#18
100meters New Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 12 Original Poster	Originally posted by opiedog do the focus points display in Live view? tnx This one I can't answer, unfortunately I didn't really explore the live view, I used the zoom functions to focus manually in live view, as that's how I've typically used it with my current camera, but in this context I wanted to see how useful or not the 230k display was.

09-17-2009, 06:14 PM	#19
Arpe Pentaxian Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: New Zealand Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 4,452	Originally posted by 100meters ...less thinking more doing type of thing.. Sounds very dangerous. If they keep on bringing out new models every 6 months I wonder if that's a good thing or a bad thing? Hmmm.

09-17-2009, 07:45 PM	#20
100meters New Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 12 Original Poster	Originally posted by Arpe Sounds very dangerous. If they keep on bringing out new models every 6 months I wonder if that's a good thing or a bad thing? Hmmm. Well, they weren't saying every 6 months for DSLR cameras, (they were for P and S), but their point was that perhaps in the past that they had gotten too bogged down in the details, or research, or market testing, and by the time they released a camera it was already behind the curve so to speak, so the new approach, encouraged it seemed by Hoya was to think it, make it, then critique it---and they seemed to have some evidence behind them to make a good case for that approach. I guess the talk could be summed up by: #1 goal: Increasing profitability The method: more active approach to getting cameras out, creating synergy and consistency in the line, targeted marketing and "responsible selling" telling dealers hey our cameras aren't for everybody, let's get them in the right hands. And again the mood was very positive, excited, and optimistic, and further the approach is working, financially headed in the right direction, love the reaction to the K-7, etc.

09-17-2009, 07:53 PM	#21
jct us101 Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Rohnert Park, CA Posts: 3,793	Originally posted by 100meters This one I can't answer, unfortunately I didn't really explore the live view, I used the zoom functions to focus manually in live view, as that's how I've typically used it with my current camera, but in this context I wanted to see how useful or not the 230k display was. Well, how useful was it?

09-17-2009, 09:04 PM	#22
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	Originally posted by opiszon on LCD - there is dedicated screen, for AF-mode/point selection it's rather slow to select in such way and if you forget to come back to center... or if you use K-x in noisy places...

09-17-2009, 09:06 PM	#23
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	Originally posted by equinox Ya the 4.7FPS will definitely shut up those j@ckAsses (Me) now! Everytime I look over the specs I am trying to figure out what changed at the Pentax HQ. If this is the future of Pentax creating pull into the line from point-n-shooters then they are finally thinking big. 4.7 fps and 5 RAW are rather strange.... D5000 has 4 fps and 11 RAW or 100 JPEG.

09-17-2009, 09:23 PM	#24
jct us101 Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Rohnert Park, CA Posts: 3,793	I thought it did 17 RAW.

09-17-2009, 09:36 PM	#25
Eruditass Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,207	17 JPEG, 5 RAW. Smaller than I'd like for RAW, but most continuous shots I will do will be in good lighting. Also, actually, I can't say I've shot more than 3 or 4 burst shots in a row with my K2000

09-17-2009, 10:07 PM	#26
100meters New Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 12 Original Poster	Originally posted by jct us101 Well, how useful was it? That would have helped to mention...It's ok... it's a price point issue, and given the competition, they seemed to think this was pretty standard. I felt it looked pretty good considering, better to me than the E-620, but perhaps just "warmer". As for getting critical focus, it's not optimal, but it gets the job done. I was jaded by the K-7 though...

09-17-2009, 10:34 PM	#27
alexfoto Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Italy Photos: Albums Posts: 182	I think this camera is a good synthesis between the K200D and the k-m. If possible i would like known only one thing: is it possible adjust eventual problem of back/front focus directly in camera or not? Thanks.

09-17-2009, 10:41 PM	#28
lithos Inactive Account Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Brisbane, QLD, AUS Posts: 3,261	Originally posted by 100meters In part, true. The folks from Pentax were saying that Hoya want's to push them forward with their ideas, less thinking more doing type of thing, all while focusing on selective marketing---cameras for photographers. To that point more advertising in the places they've been placing ads already, like photo mags, photo websites etc. I'm glad that Hoya's let Pentax have its head, not "Look, if you made decent cameras, you wouldn't have been bought out by another company, would you? You're all fired."

09-17-2009, 11:41 PM	#29
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	Originally posted by alexfoto I think this camera is a good synthesis between the K200D and the k-m. If possible i would like known only one thing: is it possible adjust eventual problem of back/front focus directly in camera or not? Thanks. K-x has nothing from K200D

09-17-2009, 11:48 PM	#30
jct us101 Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Rohnert Park, CA Posts: 3,793	Originally posted by ogl K-x has nothing from K200D Oh would you quit it.