Hoya/Pentax and 2010 - BIG speculation.

ogl · 10-04-2009, 02:25 AM

Yes. Approx. $1500/€1500. Anyway we have to wait for 1-1.5 year.

**Ash** · 10-04-2009, 03:33 AM

Originally posted by ogl

I've got new info - FF could be cheaper than we expect.

I'll ask again - where is this new info from?

ogl · 10-04-2009, 04:56 AM

Originally posted by Ash

I'll ask again - where is this new info from?

One woman said.

(the little bird told me)

emr · 10-04-2009, 04:59 AM

Just wait a moment until ogl has taken a nap and found some more information. I mean even if those release dates would be for real, I find it very unlikely they'd settled for the price two years before.

Nubi · 10-04-2009, 05:05 AM

Originally posted by ogl

One woman said.

This person is not named by any chance Wendy?

RaduA · 10-04-2009, 06:28 AM

Originally posted by Nubi

This person is not named by any chance Wendy?

No, I guess Wendy B. told him about 645D and FF with multiple FF lenses ready for Photokina 08, now he has all this "true info" from another source.

Enter Bendy W.!!!!!!!

Radu

**Ash** · 10-04-2009, 06:30 AM

Originally posted by ogl

One woman said.

This woman somehow has the inside knowledge of Hoya/Pentax?
A lot of messing around with our minds here, ogl, for being so sure of these 'truths'...
Well anyway, nice to entertain the thoughts - and I'll wait for them to come to fruition...

MCR · 10-04-2009, 07:24 AM

Originally posted by Ash

I'll ask again - where is this new info from?

IMO - it doesn't matter, if this rumors is true. I hear some info about that HOYA works on FF and some other format few weeks ago.
So, maybe it is true.

lpfonseca · 10-04-2009, 08:20 AM

Originally posted by ogl

One woman said.

Now I feel really reasured.

But the price range makes sense from an eonomic point of view. Sony is selling *today* a sub €/$ 2000 FF camera.

In 1-1,5 year it should be cheaper. Electronics tend do drop price in time. And don't tell me that it's only because miniaturization and that the size of the sensor is maintained.

A camera as K-7 would have costed twice as much two years ago.

Regards,
Luis

RaduA · 10-04-2009, 09:22 AM

Originally posted by lpfonseca

Now I feel really reasured.

But the price range makes sense from an eonomic point of view. Sony is selling *today* a sub €/$ 2000 FF camera.

In 1-1,5 year it should be cheaper. Electronics tend do drop price in time. And don't tell me that it's only because miniaturization and that the size of the sensor is maintained.

A camera as K-7 would have costed twice as much two years ago.

Regards,
Luis

I don't think Luis that you're 100% correct! Yes the general price of electronic components is lower and lower but this is mostly because they are in continuous miniaturization. Not so the sensors which are of constant size (although bigger production numbers and larger wafers equals lower per unit costs).

But a pro level camera is a sum of parts which are quite expensive such as professional shutter, large pentaprism. mirror mechanism more complex as the fps is higher, Mg cast metallic camera body). Those are more constant in price and a pro level camera will still need a substantial price if the manufacturer hopes to make a profit (e.g. which Sony doesn't, btw).

Regards,
Radu

MikePerham · 10-04-2009, 09:32 AM

Originally posted by RaduA

IBut a pro level camera is a sum of parts which are quite expensive such as professional shutter, large pentaprism. mirror mechanism more complex as the fps is higher, Mg cast metallic camera body). Those are more constant in price and a pro level camera will still need a substantial price if the manufacturer hopes to make a profit (e.g. which Sony doesn't, btw).

Regards,
Radu

In my experience, whenever a company tries to buy market share by reducing their margins with a so called loss leader, it comes back to bite bite them in the arse! This is what Sony appears to be doing and it may well backfire on them if they are unsuccessful in garnering a significant market share with this gambit.

RaduA · 10-04-2009, 09:47 AM

Originally posted by MikePerham

In my experience, whenever a company tries to buy market share by reducing their margins with a so called loss leader, it comes back to bite bite them in the arse! This is what Sony appears to be doing and it may well backfire on them if they are unsuccessful in garnering a significant market share with this gambit.

I fully agree Mike and they started this with the A900 which by all signs sold very poorly although it was priced pretty low and now they try to move A900 parts in A850 for even less without losing face by discounting A900 by 35% or more.

A850 is the same camera except the slightly smaller prism and with an in firmware neutering to 3 fps.

Regards,
Radu

Kenn100D · 10-04-2009, 09:47 AM

Is The original FF camera from Pentax (K1) fitted with a Kodak Sensor? Well, I Guess Samsung and Kodak would bid to win Hoya for the FF Sensor.

jogiba · 10-04-2009, 10:12 AM

Originally posted by junyo

Ever since that crappy Kodachrome, their optically perfect but undoubtedly screwed up mirror for the Hubble, and making sensors for low end POS's like Hasselblad and Leica.

Pentax should never do business with such a screwed up company.

Kodachrome II (25ASA) was the best slide film around when I purchased my first SLR (Canon Pellix QL w/58mm F1.2) in 1966 IMHO. Fuji didn't get their act together until the 80's.

jogiba · 10-04-2009, 10:17 AM

Originally posted by Kenn100D

Is The original FF camera from Pentax (K1) fitted with a Kodak Sensor? Well, I Guess Samsung and Kodak would bid to win Hoya for the FF Sensor.

"At Photokina next week Pentax will announce a new 6 megapixel (3072 x 2048) Digital SLR, it will use Philip's 6 megapixel 35mm size CCD (12-bit progressive, 12 µm pixel pitch)."
Pentax Digital SLR - 6 megapixel: Digital Photography Review

Pentax 6mp Digital SLR hands-on: Digital Photography Review

10-04-2009, 04:56 AM	#63
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382 Original Poster	Originally posted by Ash I'll ask again - where is this new info from? One woman said. (the little bird told me) Last edited by ogl; 10-04-2009 at 11:45 PM.

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10-04-2009, 02:25 AM	#61
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382 Original Poster	Yes. Approx. $1500/€1500. Anyway we have to wait for 1-1.5 year.

10-04-2009, 03:33 AM	#62
Ash Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Toowoomba, Queensland Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,920	Originally posted by ogl I've got new info - FF could be cheaper than we expect. I'll ask again - where is this new info from?

10-04-2009, 04:59 AM	#64
emr Guest	Just wait a moment until ogl has taken a nap and found some more information. I mean even if those release dates would be for real, I find it very unlikely they'd settled for the price two years before.

10-04-2009, 05:05 AM	#65
Nubi Guest	Originally posted by ogl One woman said. This person is not named by any chance Wendy?

10-04-2009, 06:28 AM	#66
RaduA Guest	Originally posted by Nubi This person is not named by any chance Wendy? No, I guess Wendy B. told him about 645D and FF with multiple FF lenses ready for Photokina 08, now he has all this "true info" from another source. Enter Bendy W.!!!!!!! Radu

10-04-2009, 06:30 AM	#67
Ash Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Toowoomba, Queensland Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,920	Originally posted by ogl One woman said. This woman somehow has the inside knowledge of Hoya/Pentax? A lot of messing around with our minds here, ogl, for being so sure of these 'truths'... Well anyway, nice to entertain the thoughts - and I'll wait for them to come to fruition...

10-04-2009, 07:24 AM	#68
MCR Inactive Account Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Torun, POLAND Posts: 119	Originally posted by Ash I'll ask again - where is this new info from? IMO - it doesn't matter, if this rumors is true. I hear some info about that HOYA works on FF and some other format few weeks ago. So, maybe it is true.

10-04-2009, 08:20 AM	#69
lpfonseca Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Lisbon Posts: 143	Originally posted by ogl One woman said. Now I feel really reasured. But the price range makes sense from an eonomic point of view. Sony is selling today a sub €/$ 2000 FF camera. In 1-1,5 year it should be cheaper. Electronics tend do drop price in time. And don't tell me that it's only because miniaturization and that the size of the sensor is maintained. A camera as K-7 would have costed twice as much two years ago. Regards, Luis

10-04-2009, 09:22 AM	#70
RaduA Guest	Originally posted by lpfonseca Now I feel really reasured. But the price range makes sense from an eonomic point of view. Sony is selling today a sub €/$ 2000 FF camera. In 1-1,5 year it should be cheaper. Electronics tend do drop price in time. And don't tell me that it's only because miniaturization and that the size of the sensor is maintained. A camera as K-7 would have costed twice as much two years ago. Regards, Luis I don't think Luis that you're 100% correct! Yes the general price of electronic components is lower and lower but this is mostly because they are in continuous miniaturization. Not so the sensors which are of constant size (although bigger production numbers and larger wafers equals lower per unit costs). But a pro level camera is a sum of parts which are quite expensive such as professional shutter, large pentaprism. mirror mechanism more complex as the fps is higher, Mg cast metallic camera body). Those are more constant in price and a pro level camera will still need a substantial price if the manufacturer hopes to make a profit (e.g. which Sony doesn't, btw). Regards, Radu

10-04-2009, 09:32 AM	#71
MikePerham Veteran Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Prince George, BC Canada Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 642	Originally posted by RaduA IBut a pro level camera is a sum of parts which are quite expensive such as professional shutter, large pentaprism. mirror mechanism more complex as the fps is higher, Mg cast metallic camera body). Those are more constant in price and a pro level camera will still need a substantial price if the manufacturer hopes to make a profit (e.g. which Sony doesn't, btw). Regards, Radu In my experience, whenever a company tries to buy market share by reducing their margins with a so called loss leader, it comes back to bite bite them in the arse! This is what Sony appears to be doing and it may well backfire on them if they are unsuccessful in garnering a significant market share with this gambit.

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10-04-2009, 09:47 AM	#72
RaduA Guest	Originally posted by MikePerham In my experience, whenever a company tries to buy market share by reducing their margins with a so called loss leader, it comes back to bite bite them in the arse! This is what Sony appears to be doing and it may well backfire on them if they are unsuccessful in garnering a significant market share with this gambit. I fully agree Mike and they started this with the A900 which by all signs sold very poorly although it was priced pretty low and now they try to move A900 parts in A850 for even less without losing face by discounting A900 by 35% or more. A850 is the same camera except the slightly smaller prism and with an in firmware neutering to 3 fps. Regards, Radu

10-04-2009, 09:47 AM	#73
Kenn100D Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Paranaque City, Philippines Photos: Gallery Posts: 697	Is The original FF camera from Pentax (K1) fitted with a Kodak Sensor? Well, I Guess Samsung and Kodak would bid to win Hoya for the FF Sensor.

10-04-2009, 10:12 AM	#74
jogiba Banned Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Millstone,NJ Posts: 6,491	Originally posted by junyo Ever since that crappy Kodachrome, their optically perfect but undoubtedly screwed up mirror for the Hubble, and making sensors for low end POS's like Hasselblad and Leica. Pentax should never do business with such a screwed up company. Kodachrome II (25ASA) was the best slide film around when I purchased my first SLR (Canon Pellix QL w/58mm F1.2) in 1966 IMHO. Fuji didn't get their act together until the 80's.

10-04-2009, 10:17 AM	#75
jogiba Banned Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Millstone,NJ Posts: 6,491	Originally posted by Kenn100D Is The original FF camera from Pentax (K1) fitted with a Kodak Sensor? Well, I Guess Samsung and Kodak would bid to win Hoya for the FF Sensor. "At Photokina next week Pentax will announce a new 6 megapixel (3072 x 2048) Digital SLR, it will use Philip's 6 megapixel 35mm size CCD (12-bit progressive, 12 µm pixel pitch)." Pentax Digital SLR - 6 megapixel: Digital Photography Review Pentax 6mp Digital SLR hands-on: Digital Photography Review