Hoya/Pentax and 2010 - BIG speculation.

jadedrakerider · 11-19-2009, 04:59 AM

Originally posted by ogl

2. 645D will be launched on spring, 2010. Very good featured. Very good price.

I just read

Pentax Digital 645 Prototype: A First Look - Pro SLR / Digital Backs - DigitalCameraInfo.com

and I have to say, I'm a bit excited. I'm toeing the line between picking my digital camera (I have a Rebel XT, but I'd really like is a camera I could use 70's era lenses on). I'm teetering between Pentax (because I have Pentax lenses now) and Nikon (because of the full frame option).

But I was thinking, "You know what would really tip me over the edge? If I could use K mount lenses on a 645."

I mean, heck. Even if I lose two or even three F-stops, I would say "Sod the Nikon!". So my 50mm 1.7 is a 4 at best, at least I have the ability to use it on a much bigger sensor in the future.

Jasvox · 11-19-2009, 05:04 AM

All sorts of rumours regarding the 645D price....does anyone actually really know? My guess is $12,000 USd. (Body only)

Jason

Jasvox · 11-19-2009, 05:08 AM

By the way...be on the lookout for a dual-sensor (ASP-C and 35mm) digital within the next 14 months.

Jason

Miserere · 11-19-2009, 01:28 PM

Originally posted by jadedrakerider

But I was thinking, "You know what would really tip me over the edge? If I could use K mount lenses on a 645."

Errrr.... How are you going to use your 24x36mm Pentax lenses on the 645D's 36x48mm sensor?

.

gazonk · 11-19-2009, 01:39 PM

Originally posted by Miserere

Errrr.... How are you going to use your 24x36mm Pentax lenses on the 645D's 36x48mm sensor?

.

That's the smaller problem (and may not even be a problem for some lenses?). The bigger problems is that you can only use the lenses for macro, because of the much larger register distance of the 645 cameras.

KungPOW · 11-19-2009, 02:07 PM

But thanks for the link to a 645D "news flash" from 3 years ago...

Samsungian · 11-19-2009, 02:19 PM

Actually that article on 645D with many pictures posted Feb 2006, some 45months ago, or just 3 months short of 4 years ago.

Pentax Digital 645 Prototype: A First Look - Pro SLR / Digital Backs - DigitalCameraInfo.com

Originally posted by KungPOW

But thanks for the link to a 645D "news flash" from 3 years ago...

KungPOW · 11-19-2009, 07:19 PM

Thanks for helping me get it exactly right...

Samsungian · 11-19-2009, 09:29 PM

It's kinda wild if you think about it, 45 months ago only canon made full frame canon's.

Kodak had stopped producing nikon mount full frames and prior discontinued their full frame canons and Nikon themselves had not made a full frame yet. Now they've made D3, D700, D3x, D3s

Sony had not made a full frame yet. Now they've made A900, A850

Leica had not made a full frame yet. Now M9 is due to market

Panasonic was on no one's radar with their micro 4/3 mount G Series. They have three bodies whereas they had none and all three still sell

And 45 months ago Pentax was showing off their upcoming 645D which they had shown off previously prior couple years.

So much has happened with Pentax' "competetion" and yet still no 645D.

And the hot rumor, full frame k mount in 2010, thats just 50 days away...

I'll rumour Full Frame K is 50 days plus 45 months away at a minimum.

Originally posted by KungPOW

Thanks for helping me get it exactly right...

KungPOW · 11-19-2009, 09:42 PM

I bet this is the last year we see high spec APS-C bodies (ie D300s, 7D) cheaper then low spec FF bodies (ie A850 and rumored A750). I know this is a difficult one to gauge, as prices vary across markets.

Maybe this has already happened? Is the A850 cheaper then the 7D anywhere?

Maybe Pentax didn't get the 645D to market, but they did get the first white DSLR into stores!

Samsungian · 11-19-2009, 10:00 PM

No Pentax in my neck of the woods but they did make white right. I bet K-7 in white will look right for 2010

If canon were not escalating the megapixel race and made a 2009 era full frame with only 12mp and no HD it would sell below $2,000. The sensor alone runs under $400 installed in a 5D when its in for sensor replacement. Thats parts and labor. How much more should a camera cost when the full frame sensor alone is a $200 item?

Sony 850 $1999.99 Down $0

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/646525-REG/Sony_DSLRA850__Alpha_alpha_DSLR_.html

Canon 7D $1699 Down $0

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/646908-REG/Canon_3814B004_EOS_7D_SLR_Digital.html

Nikon D300s $1575 Down $225

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/635645-REG/Nikon_25464_D300s_SLR_Digital_Camera.html

Pentax K-7 $1085 Down $215

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/622079-REG/Pentax_17811_K_7_SLR_Digital_Camera.html

Originally posted by KungPOW

I bet this is the last year we see high spec APS-C bodies (ie D300s, 7D) cheaper then low spec FF bodies (ie A850 and rumored A750). I know this is a difficult one to gauge, as prices vary across markets.

Maybe this has already happened? Is the A850 cheaper then the 7D anywhere?

Maybe Pentax didn't get the 645D to market, but they did get the first white DSLR into stores!

jadedrakerider · 11-19-2009, 10:43 PM

Originally posted by KungPOW

But thanks for the link to a 645D "news flash" from 3 years ago...

Learn something new everyday. I just learned that this part of the forum is a big game of, "find the latest internet rumor".

Originally posted by Miserere

Errrr.... How are you going to use your 24x36mm Pentax lenses on the 645D's 36x48mm sensor?

I was thinking some sort of quasi-teleconverter.

Also, I think it's quite nice that one can already use 645 and 67 lenses on the K mount cameras.

thibs · 11-20-2009, 03:00 AM

Originally posted by jadedrakerider

Learn something new everyday. I just learned that this part of the forum is a big game of, "find the latest internet rumor".

Ah, don't pay attention to that

Originally posted by jadedrakerider

I was thinking some sort of quasi-teleconverter.

Also, I think it's quite nice that one can already use 645 and 67 lenses on the K mount cameras.

In theory, it is possible with a conversion lens, but you'll lose on quality.

jadedrakerider · 11-20-2009, 04:39 AM

Originally posted by thibs

In theory, it is possible with a conversion lens, but you'll lose on quality.

Definitely, but if it would make the transition to medium format that much easier, I'd be much more likely get into it.

Freevision · 11-23-2009, 05:36 AM

i wonder if the FF is in their plan ,why do they stop producing many FA lenses recent years?

11-19-2009, 02:19 PM	#172
Samsungian Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Colorado USA Posts: 1,337	Actually that article on 645D posted Feb 2006, some 45months ago Actually that article on 645D with many pictures posted Feb 2006, some 45months ago, or just 3 months short of 4 years ago. Pentax Digital 645 Prototype: A First Look - Pro SLR / Digital Backs - DigitalCameraInfo.com Originally posted by KungPOW But thanks for the link to a 645D "news flash" from 3 years ago...

11-19-2009, 09:29 PM	#174
Samsungian Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Colorado USA Posts: 1,337	It's kinda wild if you think about it, 45 months ago It's kinda wild if you think about it, 45 months ago only canon made full frame canon's. Kodak had stopped producing nikon mount full frames and prior discontinued their full frame canons and Nikon themselves had not made a full frame yet. Now they've made D3, D700, D3x, D3s Sony had not made a full frame yet. Now they've made A900, A850 Leica had not made a full frame yet. Now M9 is due to market Panasonic was on no one's radar with their micro 4/3 mount G Series. They have three bodies whereas they had none and all three still sell And 45 months ago Pentax was showing off their upcoming 645D which they had shown off previously prior couple years. So much has happened with Pentax' "competetion" and yet still no 645D. And the hot rumor, full frame k mount in 2010, thats just 50 days away... I'll rumour Full Frame K is 50 days plus 45 months away at a minimum. Originally posted by KungPOW Thanks for helping me get it exactly right...

11-19-2009, 10:00 PM	#176
Samsungian Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Colorado USA Posts: 1,337	No Pentax in my neck of the woods but they did make white right No Pentax in my neck of the woods but they did make white right. I bet K-7 in white will look right for 2010 If canon were not escalating the megapixel race and made a 2009 era full frame with only 12mp and no HD it would sell below $2,000. The sensor alone runs under $400 installed in a 5D when its in for sensor replacement. Thats parts and labor. How much more should a camera cost when the full frame sensor alone is a $200 item? Sony 850 $1999.99 Down $0 http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/646525-REG/Sony_DSLRA850__Alpha_alpha_DSLR_.html Canon 7D $1699 Down $0 http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/646908-REG/Canon_3814B004_EOS_7D_SLR_Digital.html Nikon D300s $1575 Down $225 http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/635645-REG/Nikon_25464_D300s_SLR_Digital_Camera.html Pentax K-7 $1085 Down $215 http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/622079-REG/Pentax_17811_K_7_SLR_Digital_Camera.html Originally posted by KungPOW I bet this is the last year we see high spec APS-C bodies (ie D300s, 7D) cheaper then low spec FF bodies (ie A850 and rumored A750). I know this is a difficult one to gauge, as prices vary across markets. Maybe this has already happened? Is the A850 cheaper then the 7D anywhere? Maybe Pentax didn't get the 645D to market, but they did get the first white DSLR into stores! Last edited by Samsungian; 11-19-2009 at 10:24 PM.

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11-19-2009, 04:59 AM	#166
jadedrakerider Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Mohave Valley, AZ Photos: Gallery Posts: 214	Originally posted by ogl 2. 645D will be launched on spring, 2010. Very good featured. Very good price. I just read Pentax Digital 645 Prototype: A First Look - Pro SLR / Digital Backs - DigitalCameraInfo.com and I have to say, I'm a bit excited. I'm toeing the line between picking my digital camera (I have a Rebel XT, but I'd really like is a camera I could use 70's era lenses on). I'm teetering between Pentax (because I have Pentax lenses now) and Nikon (because of the full frame option). But I was thinking, "You know what would really tip me over the edge? If I could use K mount lenses on a 645." I mean, heck. Even if I lose two or even three F-stops, I would say "Sod the Nikon!". So my 50mm 1.7 is a 4 at best, at least I have the ability to use it on a much bigger sensor in the future.

11-19-2009, 05:04 AM	#167
Jasvox Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 3,107	All sorts of rumours regarding the 645D price....does anyone actually really know? My guess is $12,000 USd. (Body only) Jason

11-19-2009, 05:08 AM	#168
Jasvox Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 3,107	By the way...be on the lookout for a dual-sensor (ASP-C and 35mm) digital within the next 14 months. Jason

11-19-2009, 01:28 PM	#169
Miserere Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Boston Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,993	Originally posted by jadedrakerider But I was thinking, "You know what would really tip me over the edge? If I could use K mount lenses on a 645." Errrr.... How are you going to use your 24x36mm Pentax lenses on the 645D's 36x48mm sensor? .

11-19-2009, 01:39 PM	#170
gazonk Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Oslo area, Norway Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,746	Originally posted by Miserere Errrr.... How are you going to use your 24x36mm Pentax lenses on the 645D's 36x48mm sensor? . That's the smaller problem (and may not even be a problem for some lenses?). The bigger problems is that you can only use the lenses for macro, because of the much larger register distance of the 645 cameras.

11-19-2009, 02:07 PM	#171
KungPOW Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Vancouver, Canada Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,699	But thanks for the link to a 645D "news flash" from 3 years ago...

11-19-2009, 07:19 PM	#173
KungPOW Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Vancouver, Canada Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,699	Thanks for helping me get it exactly right...

11-19-2009, 09:42 PM	#175
KungPOW Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Vancouver, Canada Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,699	I bet this is the last year we see high spec APS-C bodies (ie D300s, 7D) cheaper then low spec FF bodies (ie A850 and rumored A750). I know this is a difficult one to gauge, as prices vary across markets. Maybe this has already happened? Is the A850 cheaper then the 7D anywhere? Maybe Pentax didn't get the 645D to market, but they did get the first white DSLR into stores!

11-19-2009, 10:43 PM	#177
jadedrakerider Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Mohave Valley, AZ Photos: Gallery Posts: 214	Originally posted by KungPOW But thanks for the link to a 645D "news flash" from 3 years ago... Learn something new everyday. I just learned that this part of the forum is a big game of, "find the latest internet rumor". Originally posted by Miserere Errrr.... How are you going to use your 24x36mm Pentax lenses on the 645D's 36x48mm sensor? I was thinking some sort of quasi-teleconverter. Also, I think it's quite nice that one can already use 645 and 67 lenses on the K mount cameras.

11-20-2009, 03:00 AM	#178
thibs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Photos: Albums Posts: 7,001	Originally posted by jadedrakerider Learn something new everyday. I just learned that this part of the forum is a big game of, "find the latest internet rumor". Ah, don't pay attention to that Originally posted by jadedrakerider I was thinking some sort of quasi-teleconverter. Also, I think it's quite nice that one can already use 645 and 67 lenses on the K mount cameras. In theory, it is possible with a conversion lens, but you'll lose on quality.

11-20-2009, 04:39 AM	#179
jadedrakerider Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Mohave Valley, AZ Photos: Gallery Posts: 214	Originally posted by thibs In theory, it is possible with a conversion lens, but you'll lose on quality. Definitely, but if it would make the transition to medium format that much easier, I'd be much more likely get into it.

11-23-2009, 05:36 AM	#180
Freevision Inactive Account Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Shanghai Posts: 15	i wonder if the FF is in their plan ,why do they stop producing many FA lenses recent years?