FF in 2010?

ewalk · 10-20-2009, 08:13 AM

The Dpreview forums are currently down, but this was the link to the thread:

Pentax full frame DSLR in 2010, according to Pentax representative [Page 1]: Pentax SLR Talk Forum: Digital Photography Review

Oldschool · 10-20-2009, 09:00 AM

I'll just wait for all those lovely DA gems to come up for sale.

ewalk · 10-20-2009, 09:02 AM

I would think any Pentax FF camera would include a crop mode to allow the continued use of DA-crop lenses.

netuser · 10-20-2009, 09:08 AM

Originally posted by ewalk

I would think any Pentax FF camera would include a crop mode to allow the continued use of DA-crop lenses.

Yes, like nikon etc.

Kguru · 10-20-2009, 09:12 AM

Originally posted by Pentaxor

nope. that means buy your F/FA lenses now while supply lasts.

Has it occurred to you the FF body may be SDM only?

builttospill · 10-20-2009, 09:19 AM

Originally posted by oshua

FF means new Lenses right?

From Pentax on Facebook:
"Coming out with a full frame camera would not only involve the expenses of the camera design and production, but also a whole new series of lenses. Due to differences between film and digital sensors, it is not just a simple matter of reproducing old lenses, especially if you want optimal results."

Rico · 10-20-2009, 09:32 AM

Pentax should use an APS-H sensor in its semi-Pro mid range camera like the K-7 and a full frame sensor in a Pro model.

This would clearly distinguish each camera range. All the DA Limited lenses would work fine with APS-H. I would keep the pixel count they are using now for the APS-H sensor to increase pixel pitch which would greatly increase high ISO performance, dynamic range etc.

Then keep the 100% viewfinder which would be much bigger for APS-H over the 100% viewfinder in the K-7.

This would give Pentax a great advantage in the semi-Pro camera range.

ogl · 10-20-2009, 09:49 AM

Originally posted by Rico

Pentax should use an APS-H sensor in its semi-Pro mid range camera like the K-7 and a full frame sensor in a Pro model.

This would clearly distinguish each camera range. All the DA Limited lenses would work fine with APS-H. I.

No. Not all DA lenses cover APS-H.

Rico · 10-20-2009, 10:17 AM

Ogl I did say DA Limited lenses. Some of the DA wide zooms may not cover APS-H. Possibly the DA 15mm Limited may not cover and the DA 14mm.

Still APS-H would set Pentax apart from the rest of the pack in a semi-Pro camera.

awo425 · 10-20-2009, 10:22 AM

massive hike in prices? Pentax lenses are already too expensive.

Ancient screw drive F1.8 31mm Limited will cost you roughly a $1000 nowadays. It's a great piece of glass, but seriously, I have 2 systems and if I need to spend over a grand on this focal lens which one will I buy, this one or Canon 35/1.4L? It's a no brainier for me.

Originally posted by LensScribe

Yeah, safe to say if the rumour becomes fact, there's bound to be a massive hike in prices of F/FA lenses.

But I imagine that Pentax wouldn't pass up the chance to release some new lenses to go with the new body. After all, with cameras that last this long, they have to hook us with the accessories

richtrav · 10-20-2009, 11:21 AM

Originally posted by Rico

Pentax should use an APS-H sensor in its semi-Pro mid range camera like the K-7 and a full frame sensor in a Pro model.

This would clearly distinguish each camera range. All the DA Limited lenses would work fine with APS-H. I would keep the pixel count they are using now for the APS-H sensor to increase pixel pitch which would greatly increase high ISO performance, dynamic range etc.

Then keep the 100% viewfinder which would be much bigger for APS-H over the 100% viewfinder in the K-7.

This would give Pentax a great advantage in the semi-Pro camera range.

A clever idea, but who other than Canon makes APS-H sensors?

Rico · 10-20-2009, 11:49 AM

Originally posted by richtrav

A clever idea, but who other than Canon makes APS-H sensors?

Kodak was or is making the APS-H sensor that is in the Leica M8/.2.

Certainly though Samsung could manufacture an APS-H sensor if this was the direction they chose to go.

ryan s · 10-20-2009, 11:49 AM

Originally posted by awo425

massive hike in prices? Pentax lenses are already too expensive.

Ancient screw drive F1.8 31mm Limited will cost you roughly a $1000 nowadays. It's a great piece of glass, but seriously, I have 2 systems and if I need to spend over a grand on this focal lens which one will I buy, this one or Canon 35/1.4L? It's a no brainier for me.

Too bad you wouldn't be buying a Pentax lens.

I could shop at Payless for Converse lookalikes...but they're not real Converse shoes.

Unfortunate that America has broken down into bottom-line shoppers...

ewalk · 10-20-2009, 12:38 PM

Originally posted by Rico

Certainly though Samsung could manufacture an APS-H sensor if this was the direction they chose to go.

I would much rather Samsung and Pentax go FF rather than stick with yet another crop sensor.

What advantages would an APS-H sensor even have over a FF Samsung/Pentax project?

It also doesn't make any sense that Pentax would have a complete line of cameras ranging from APS-C to APS-H to FF to MF. I doubt Hoya has the cash to completely revamp the entire line like that.

kevinschoenmakers · 10-20-2009, 12:41 PM

Originally posted by ryan s

Unfortunate that America has broken down into bottom-line shoppers...

Isn't the bottom-line what America is all about?

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10-20-2009, 08:13 AM	#31
ewalk Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Texas Posts: 316	The Dpreview forums are currently down, but this was the link to the thread: Pentax full frame DSLR in 2010, according to Pentax representative [Page 1]: Pentax SLR Talk Forum: Digital Photography Review

10-20-2009, 09:00 AM	#32
Oldschool Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Central NJ Posts: 1,278	I'll just wait for all those lovely DA gems to come up for sale.

10-20-2009, 09:02 AM	#33
ewalk Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Texas Posts: 316	I would think any Pentax FF camera would include a crop mode to allow the continued use of DA-crop lenses.

10-20-2009, 09:08 AM	#34
netuser Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Azores Islands, Portugal Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,236	Originally posted by ewalk I would think any Pentax FF camera would include a crop mode to allow the continued use of DA-crop lenses. Yes, like nikon etc.

10-20-2009, 09:12 AM	#35
Kguru Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Perth - WestAust Posts: 602	Originally posted by Pentaxor nope. that means buy your F/FA lenses now while supply lasts. Has it occurred to you the FF body may be SDM only?

10-20-2009, 09:19 AM	#36
builttospill Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Utah, Idaho Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,398	Originally posted by oshua FF means new Lenses right? From Pentax on Facebook: "Coming out with a full frame camera would not only involve the expenses of the camera design and production, but also a whole new series of lenses. Due to differences between film and digital sensors, it is not just a simple matter of reproducing old lenses, especially if you want optimal results."

10-20-2009, 09:32 AM	#37
Rico Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 1,204	Pentax should use an APS-H sensor in its semi-Pro mid range camera like the K-7 and a full frame sensor in a Pro model. This would clearly distinguish each camera range. All the DA Limited lenses would work fine with APS-H. I would keep the pixel count they are using now for the APS-H sensor to increase pixel pitch which would greatly increase high ISO performance, dynamic range etc. Then keep the 100% viewfinder which would be much bigger for APS-H over the 100% viewfinder in the K-7. This would give Pentax a great advantage in the semi-Pro camera range.

10-20-2009, 09:49 AM	#38
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	Originally posted by Rico Pentax should use an APS-H sensor in its semi-Pro mid range camera like the K-7 and a full frame sensor in a Pro model. This would clearly distinguish each camera range. All the DA Limited lenses would work fine with APS-H. I. No. Not all DA lenses cover APS-H.

10-20-2009, 10:17 AM	#39
Rico Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 1,204	Ogl I did say DA Limited lenses. Some of the DA wide zooms may not cover APS-H. Possibly the DA 15mm Limited may not cover and the DA 14mm. Still APS-H would set Pentax apart from the rest of the pack in a semi-Pro camera.

10-20-2009, 10:22 AM	#40
awo425 Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: NYC, USA Posts: 481	massive hike in prices? Pentax lenses are already too expensive. Ancient screw drive F1.8 31mm Limited will cost you roughly a $1000 nowadays. It's a great piece of glass, but seriously, I have 2 systems and if I need to spend over a grand on this focal lens which one will I buy, this one or Canon 35/1.4L? It's a no brainier for me. Originally posted by LensScribe Yeah, safe to say if the rumour becomes fact, there's bound to be a massive hike in prices of F/FA lenses. But I imagine that Pentax wouldn't pass up the chance to release some new lenses to go with the new body. After all, with cameras that last this long, they have to hook us with the accessories

10-20-2009, 11:21 AM	#41
richtrav Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: South Texas Posts: 82	Originally posted by Rico Pentax should use an APS-H sensor in its semi-Pro mid range camera like the K-7 and a full frame sensor in a Pro model. This would clearly distinguish each camera range. All the DA Limited lenses would work fine with APS-H. I would keep the pixel count they are using now for the APS-H sensor to increase pixel pitch which would greatly increase high ISO performance, dynamic range etc. Then keep the 100% viewfinder which would be much bigger for APS-H over the 100% viewfinder in the K-7. This would give Pentax a great advantage in the semi-Pro camera range. A clever idea, but who other than Canon makes APS-H sensors?

10-20-2009, 11:49 AM	#42
Rico Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 1,204	Originally posted by richtrav A clever idea, but who other than Canon makes APS-H sensors? Kodak was or is making the APS-H sensor that is in the Leica M8/.2. Certainly though Samsung could manufacture an APS-H sensor if this was the direction they chose to go.

10-20-2009, 11:49 AM	#43
ryan s Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Madison, WI Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,383	Originally posted by awo425 massive hike in prices? Pentax lenses are already too expensive. Ancient screw drive F1.8 31mm Limited will cost you roughly a $1000 nowadays. It's a great piece of glass, but seriously, I have 2 systems and if I need to spend over a grand on this focal lens which one will I buy, this one or Canon 35/1.4L? It's a no brainier for me. Too bad you wouldn't be buying a Pentax lens. I could shop at Payless for Converse lookalikes...but they're not real Converse shoes. Unfortunate that America has broken down into bottom-line shoppers...

10-20-2009, 12:38 PM	#44
ewalk Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Texas Posts: 316	Originally posted by Rico Certainly though Samsung could manufacture an APS-H sensor if this was the direction they chose to go. I would much rather Samsung and Pentax go FF rather than stick with yet another crop sensor. What advantages would an APS-H sensor even have over a FF Samsung/Pentax project? It also doesn't make any sense that Pentax would have a complete line of cameras ranging from APS-C to APS-H to FF to MF. I doubt Hoya has the cash to completely revamp the entire line like that.

10-20-2009, 12:41 PM	#45
kevinschoenmakers Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Shanghai Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,509	Originally posted by ryan s Unfortunate that America has broken down into bottom-line shoppers... Isn't the bottom-line what America is all about?