FF in 2010?

AndrewG NY · 12-10-2009, 08:05 AM

Originally posted by Shingoshi

The lens may be workable with film. But that doesn't mean it's best suited for it. There could be vignetting on the edges that film shooters wouldn't appreciate too well. Then there's also the issue of resolution/distortion on the edges.

As far as I know, this is a refresh of the existing D-FA 100/2.8 Macro, which was sold as film-capable, along with the D-FA 50/2.8. I don't think there's any question that this completely covers film, and Pentax explicitly said so--otherwise, they would have called it DA rather than D-FA. That being said, it's not a great choice for film because it lacks an aperture ring. Lots of Pentax film cameras popular with enthusiasts (MZ-5n, MZ-S) still required aperture rings for manual mode & aperture priority.

Shingoshi · 12-10-2009, 01:47 PM

Originally posted by AndrewG NY

As far as I know, this is a refresh of the existing D-FA 100/2.8 Macro, which was sold as film-capable, along with the D-FA 50/2.8. I don't think there's any question that this completely covers film, and Pentax explicitly said so--otherwise, they would have called it DA rather than D-FA. That being said, it's not a great choice for film because it lacks an aperture ring. Lots of Pentax film cameras popular with enthusiasts (MZ-5n, MZ-S) still required aperture rings for manual mode & aperture priority.

Yeah, Nikon is doing the same thing with it's G-lenses. No aperture ring on them either. As an older photographer, I'm not sure how I would adjust to that. Although with my T90, you could control the aperture on the camera as well. So I don't that it would be that big of a deal in the long run.

Thanks again for the explanation,
Xavian-Anderson Macpherson
ShingoshiDao

superfuzzy · 12-10-2009, 01:56 PM

You can believe whatever you want, but I choose to believe that Pentax will start shipping a FF DSLR early 2010!

Photomy · 12-19-2009, 10:54 AM

Originally posted by rawr

Why would they lead into FF with something as esoteric as a 100mm lens? Makes no sense.

If they were roadmapping their lenses into FF territory, which is a pro space, wouldn't it make more sense for them to start introducing some FF equivalents to (for example) Canon L-series pro-grade workhorses like the 24-70 2.8?

They, will if they are going to offer a FF camera. Probably will announce together.

A 24-70 pro grade zoom is the most important, and one of the most expensive lenses to design and make. Pentax has never offered a 24-70 2.8 as far as I am aware so they need to come of with a specific new design. They have to decide if and how they will improve SDM as well. A lot of very important and expensive decisions. It has to be right or it will hurt the FF camera success.

The makeover of the 100 macro is very easy and relatively cheap. If they decide to never bring out the FF, it will still add value to the APS-C lens family.

lol101 · 12-19-2009, 11:51 AM

Originally posted by Photomy

They, will if they are going to offer a FF camera. Probably will announce together.

A 24-70 pro grade zoom is the most important, and one of the most expensive lenses to design and make. Pentax has never offered a 24-70 2.8 as far as I am aware so they need to come of with a specific new design. They have to decide if and how they will improve SDM as well. A lot of very important and expensive decisions. It has to be right or it will hurt the FF camera success.

The makeover of the 100 macro is very easy and relatively cheap. If they decide to never bring out the FF, it will still add value to the APS-C lens family.

But then again, why wouldn't Pentax start its foray into FF territory in a different manner than the other guys?

For example, if they manage (which I am confident they will) to issue a relatively compact FF, why not first introduce some FF pancake lenses?

That would certainly draw some more attention than yet another FF with yet another 24-70f2.8 expensive zoom wouldn't it?

Nubi · 12-19-2009, 11:54 AM

Originally posted by lol101

But then again, why wouldn't Pentax start its foray into FF territory in a different manner than the other guys?

For example, if they manage (which I am confident they will) to issue a relatively compact FF, why not first introduce some FF pancake lenses?

That would certainly draw some more attention than yet another FF with yet another 24-70f2.8 expensive zoom wouldn't it?

I thought DA 40 ltd works fine on FF.

mattdm · 12-19-2009, 12:53 PM

Originally posted by Nubi

I thought DA 40 ltd works fine on FF.

For some value of "fine".

vizjerei · 12-19-2009, 03:04 PM

Originally posted by lol101

But then again, why wouldn't Pentax start its foray into FF territory in a different manner than the other guys?

For example, if they manage (which I am confident they will) to issue a relatively compact FF, why not first introduce some FF pancake lenses?

That would certainly draw some more attention than yet another FF with yet another 24-70f2.8 expensive zoom wouldn't it?

because they will hurt the sales of the "old" pancake/limited lens? compare to the macro, the market is much smaller, no? and make those into FF lens will really giving out the answer no?

then there will be no more guessing game for us, which really take out all the fun don't you think?

blende8 · 12-20-2009, 03:06 AM

Originally posted by superfuzzy

You can believe whatever you want, but I choose to believe that Pentax will start shipping a FF DSLR early 2010!

Yes, they call it 645D.

All signs point to "no FF in 2010".

Pentaxor · 12-20-2009, 03:18 AM

Originally posted by blende8

Yes, they call it 645D.

All signs point to "no FF in 2010".

is the 100mm WR a lens made for a 645D format? I don't know if this is one of those signs or is it not?

blende8 · 12-20-2009, 05:23 AM

No, that's no sign.
It is just a refreshed DFA100, which always was FF.

**Pål Jensen** · 12-20-2009, 06:58 AM

Originally posted by blende8

No, that's no sign.
It is just a refreshed DFA100, which always was FF.

...and so is the DA* 200/2.8 but they didn't give it FF (FA) designation....

blende8 · 12-21-2009, 01:41 AM

Bastian Lende, a sales manager of Pentax Germany (or something like that) wrote on a German forum:

Quote:

"Meiner Meinung nach ist jetzt die Zeit noch nicht reif für KB.
Soll nicht heißen, dass wir dieses Format nie bauen werden.
Denke, wenn der weltweite Marktanteil es zulässt, wird sich auch Pentax dem Wunsch einiger User nicht verschliessen.
Denke, wenn die Preise in den Bereich der K7 rutschen, ist die Zeit reif..."

My translation:
"In my opinion the time is not yet ripe for FF now.
This doesn't mean that we will never produce this format.
I think, if the world-wide market share allows it, Pentax will not close themselves off from the wish of some users.
I think, if the prices are in the range of the K7, the time is ripe ..."

Asahiflex · 12-21-2009, 02:04 AM

That is the same "Blende" who dismissed the picture of the D FA 100mm f/2.8 macro (which later appeared to be real)? What he says sounds logical to me, but it is also completely meaningless. Decisions like that are made in Japan and I'm sure he does not know anything what the management of Hoya does.

bunegg · 12-21-2009, 04:18 AM

I somehow agree.. When the price range is ard the launch price of k7 the time is ripe. Waiting for sony to launch their series of budget ff..

12-10-2009, 01:47 PM	#587
Shingoshi Inactive Account Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 83	Thanks for the clarification!! Originally posted by AndrewG NY As far as I know, this is a refresh of the existing D-FA 100/2.8 Macro, which was sold as film-capable, along with the D-FA 50/2.8. I don't think there's any question that this completely covers film, and Pentax explicitly said so--otherwise, they would have called it DA rather than D-FA. That being said, it's not a great choice for film because it lacks an aperture ring. Lots of Pentax film cameras popular with enthusiasts (MZ-5n, MZ-S) still required aperture rings for manual mode & aperture priority. Yeah, Nikon is doing the same thing with it's G-lenses. No aperture ring on them either. As an older photographer, I'm not sure how I would adjust to that. Although with my T90, you could control the aperture on the camera as well. So I don't that it would be that big of a deal in the long run. Thanks again for the explanation, Xavian-Anderson Macpherson ShingoshiDao

12-21-2009, 01:41 AM	#598
blende8 Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Bremen, Germany Photos: Albums Posts: 1,521	Bastian Lende from Pentax Germany on FF Bastian Lende, a sales manager of Pentax Germany (or something like that) wrote on a German forum: Quote: "Meiner Meinung nach ist jetzt die Zeit noch nicht reif für KB. Soll nicht heißen, dass wir dieses Format nie bauen werden. Denke, wenn der weltweite Marktanteil es zulässt, wird sich auch Pentax dem Wunsch einiger User nicht verschliessen. Denke, wenn die Preise in den Bereich der K7 rutschen, ist die Zeit reif..." My translation: "In my opinion the time is not yet ripe for FF now. This doesn't mean that we will never produce this format. I think, if the world-wide market share allows it, Pentax will not close themselves off from the wish of some users. I think, if the prices are in the range of the K7, the time is ripe ..."

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12-10-2009, 08:05 AM	#586
AndrewG NY Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Chappaqua, NY Photos: Gallery Posts: 688	Originally posted by Shingoshi The lens may be workable with film. But that doesn't mean it's best suited for it. There could be vignetting on the edges that film shooters wouldn't appreciate too well. Then there's also the issue of resolution/distortion on the edges. As far as I know, this is a refresh of the existing D-FA 100/2.8 Macro, which was sold as film-capable, along with the D-FA 50/2.8. I don't think there's any question that this completely covers film, and Pentax explicitly said so--otherwise, they would have called it DA rather than D-FA. That being said, it's not a great choice for film because it lacks an aperture ring. Lots of Pentax film cameras popular with enthusiasts (MZ-5n, MZ-S) still required aperture rings for manual mode & aperture priority.

12-10-2009, 01:56 PM	#588
superfuzzy Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: NJ, USA (close to NYC) Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 278	You can believe whatever you want, but I choose to believe that Pentax will start shipping a FF DSLR early 2010!

12-19-2009, 10:54 AM	#589
Photomy Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Kansas City, MO Posts: 174	Originally posted by rawr Why would they lead into FF with something as esoteric as a 100mm lens? Makes no sense. If they were roadmapping their lenses into FF territory, which is a pro space, wouldn't it make more sense for them to start introducing some FF equivalents to (for example) Canon L-series pro-grade workhorses like the 24-70 2.8? They, will if they are going to offer a FF camera. Probably will announce together. A 24-70 pro grade zoom is the most important, and one of the most expensive lenses to design and make. Pentax has never offered a 24-70 2.8 as far as I am aware so they need to come of with a specific new design. They have to decide if and how they will improve SDM as well. A lot of very important and expensive decisions. It has to be right or it will hurt the FF camera success. The makeover of the 100 macro is very easy and relatively cheap. If they decide to never bring out the FF, it will still add value to the APS-C lens family.

12-19-2009, 11:51 AM	#590
lol101 Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Garennes sur Eure France Photos: Gallery Posts: 899	Originally posted by Photomy They, will if they are going to offer a FF camera. Probably will announce together. A 24-70 pro grade zoom is the most important, and one of the most expensive lenses to design and make. Pentax has never offered a 24-70 2.8 as far as I am aware so they need to come of with a specific new design. They have to decide if and how they will improve SDM as well. A lot of very important and expensive decisions. It has to be right or it will hurt the FF camera success. The makeover of the 100 macro is very easy and relatively cheap. If they decide to never bring out the FF, it will still add value to the APS-C lens family. But then again, why wouldn't Pentax start its foray into FF territory in a different manner than the other guys? For example, if they manage (which I am confident they will) to issue a relatively compact FF, why not first introduce some FF pancake lenses? That would certainly draw some more attention than yet another FF with yet another 24-70f2.8 expensive zoom wouldn't it?

12-19-2009, 11:54 AM	#591
Nubi Guest	Originally posted by lol101 But then again, why wouldn't Pentax start its foray into FF territory in a different manner than the other guys? For example, if they manage (which I am confident they will) to issue a relatively compact FF, why not first introduce some FF pancake lenses? That would certainly draw some more attention than yet another FF with yet another 24-70f2.8 expensive zoom wouldn't it? I thought DA 40 ltd works fine on FF.

12-19-2009, 12:53 PM	#592
mattdm Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Boston, MA Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,948	Originally posted by Nubi I thought DA 40 ltd works fine on FF. For some value of "fine".

12-19-2009, 03:04 PM	#593
vizjerei Veteran Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Toronto Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,418	Originally posted by lol101 But then again, why wouldn't Pentax start its foray into FF territory in a different manner than the other guys? For example, if they manage (which I am confident they will) to issue a relatively compact FF, why not first introduce some FF pancake lenses? That would certainly draw some more attention than yet another FF with yet another 24-70f2.8 expensive zoom wouldn't it? because they will hurt the sales of the "old" pancake/limited lens? compare to the macro, the market is much smaller, no? and make those into FF lens will really giving out the answer no? then there will be no more guessing game for us, which really take out all the fun don't you think?

12-20-2009, 03:06 AM	#594
blende8 Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Bremen, Germany Photos: Albums Posts: 1,521	Originally posted by superfuzzy You can believe whatever you want, but I choose to believe that Pentax will start shipping a FF DSLR early 2010! Yes, they call it 645D. All signs point to "no FF in 2010".

12-20-2009, 03:18 AM	#595
Pentaxor Veteran Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Vancouver, B.C. Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,513	Originally posted by blende8 Yes, they call it 645D. All signs point to "no FF in 2010". is the 100mm WR a lens made for a 645D format? I don't know if this is one of those signs or is it not?

12-20-2009, 05:23 AM	#596
blende8 Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Bremen, Germany Photos: Albums Posts: 1,521	No, that's no sign. It is just a refreshed DFA100, which always was FF.

12-20-2009, 06:58 AM	#597
Pål Jensen Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Norway Photos: Albums Posts: 4,371	Originally posted by blende8 No, that's no sign. It is just a refreshed DFA100, which always was FF. ...and so is the DA* 200/2.8 but they didn't give it FF (FA) designation....

12-21-2009, 02:04 AM	#599
Asahiflex Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Netherlands Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,795	That is the same "Blende" who dismissed the picture of the D FA 100mm f/2.8 macro (which later appeared to be real)? What he says sounds logical to me, but it is also completely meaningless. Decisions like that are made in Japan and I'm sure he does not know anything what the management of Hoya does.

12-21-2009, 04:18 AM	#600
bunegg Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 82	I somehow agree.. When the price range is ard the launch price of k7 the time is ripe. Waiting for sony to launch their series of budget ff..