FF in 2010?

knoxploration · 11-18-2009, 12:30 AM

Originally posted by Adam

Also, if you look at the ist D's mirror, you'll notice that it was full-frame: this suggestes that Pentax initially considered having a full-frame body, then dropped the idea due to sensor development problems.

Eh?

http://a.img-dpreview.com/reviews/pentaxistd/Images/mountccd01.jpg
http://a.img-dpreview.com/reviews/pentaxistd/Images/mountccd02.jpg
http://www.aohc.it/pshw2003/20mzs_istD_1.jpg
http://www.aohc.it/pshw2003/21mzs_istD_2.jpg

ist mount

"At first sight, little difference between MZ-S and *ist D inside mirror box. Just a smaller mirror and missing power zoom contacts, as expected. "

Oh, and yes - Pentax definitely initially considered having a full-frame body. That's beyond question - I actually once handled it myself. That camera was the MZ-D, and was based on the MZ-S film camera body with the Philips FTF3020-C sensor from the Contax N Digital.

Last edited by knoxploration; 11-18-2009 at 12:33 AM. Reason: Adding more info.

Shingoshi · 11-18-2009, 12:35 AM

I read that Sony has already designed an even higher resolution FF sensor than the one in the A900. I just hope that when they release it, the body they use will be a unitized design like the Nikon D3 and Canon professional cameras. I for one really don't want a body that comes apart. Except for the viewfinder. It would be really ironic if Sony were the one to reintroduce detachable optical viewfinders on a DSLR.

Xavian-Anderson Macpherson
ShingoshiDao

ozlizard · 11-18-2009, 01:03 AM

Quote:

1.) How long are you willing to wait for Pentax to produce a FF camera?
2.) What features would you need that camera to have to keep you from buying another manufacturer's product?
3.) And if they don't in the amount of time you're willing to wait, what other camera will you look for, and why?

1. End of 2010 at the latest.
2. 20+ megapixels, no video, 100% viewfinder, hi res screen, no flash, improved ae\
3. Sony 850/900, Canon 5D MK2

eurostar · 11-18-2009, 02:23 AM

Originally posted by KungPOW

But as it stands, everyone but Pentax is now making multiple FF bodies. Common Pentax!!!

Surely I have missed the Olympus full-frame body, then...

knoxploration · 11-18-2009, 03:13 AM

Originally posted by eurostar

Surely I have missed the Olympus full-frame body, then...

You were probably distracted by the Panasonic full-frame body. And the Sigma full-frame body. Not to mention the Epson, Fujifilm, Ricoh and Samsung full-frame bodies.

/oh wait - none of those exist either
//Every one of those companies has current, upcoming, or recent (last two years or so) interchangeable-lens bodies in APS-C or near-APS-C formats, but no FF nor any suggestion of FF plans.

Samsungian · 11-18-2009, 05:37 AM

Indeed add the two sony full frames and one Leica for a total of 12 full frames from past or present.

Then let the real full frame rumors begin:

Sony A750

Canon 1Ds mark IV

Canon 5D mark III

Canon 3D

Nikon D700x

Nikon D800

and

Pentax LXD

Originally posted by KungPOW

Samsugian,

You missed the A900, and A850. The ironic thing is that the A850 has the spec's I would have expected to see on a Pentax FF, had it come out this year.

I still believe that business between Samsung and Pentax went sour, and that delayed the production of a FF pentax. I think the rejuvinated 645D development was done until Pentax could re-organise their FF development.

There is also the rumor that the Sony A750 will be full frame. Not sure if I buy into that one or not.

But as it stands, everyone but Pentax is now making multiple FF bodies. Common Pentax!!!

ogl · 11-18-2009, 05:53 AM

Pentax FX-1

PrimeObjectif · 11-18-2009, 07:24 AM

http://www.mohaveinstrument.com/NewFiles/FX1DE.html

And Panasonic had an FX1 P&S out a while ago. Would Pentax use the same name?

lol101 · 11-18-2009, 07:30 AM

Originally posted by ozlizard

1. End of 2010 at the latest.
2. 20+ megapixels, no video, 100% viewfinder, hi res screen, no flash, improved ae\
3. Sony 850/900, Canon 5D MK2

1/ Shouldn't that read "End of 2010 at the very earliest" (I would be very surprised if Pentax announced a FF before Photokina 2010)?

2/Agreed on all "whish specs" but the "no flash" one.

Why? If for nothing else, onboard flash makes for an inexpensive and efficient remote flash trigger no?

ogl · 11-18-2009, 07:33 AM

Originally posted by PrimeObjectif

Pentax FX1-DE Theodolite

And Panasonic had an FX1 P&S out a while ago. Would Pentax use the same name?

It's just my guess.

Maybe simply F.

Samsungian · 11-18-2009, 07:47 AM

No built in flash on 5D Mark II

No built in flash on 5D Classic

Yet D700 has built in flash. It was one of a few reasons why I bought a D700 and maybe a reason why I still pass on 5D Mark II. Well that and price after a year remains stuck at launch. I hate to pay full price for any dslr now.

Originally posted by lol101

1/ Shouldn't that read "End of 2010 at the very earliest" (I would be very surprised if Pentax announced a FF before Photokina 2010)?

2/Agreed on all "whish specs" but the "no flash" one.

Why? If for nothing else, onboard flash makes for an inexpensive and efficient remote flash trigger no?

DanLoc78 · 11-18-2009, 08:13 AM

I, for one, am considering a switch to Canon. Friends of mine just started up their own business, and with the clashing Pentax and Canon systems we can't work as efficiently as we could if we all had like gear. They're fully invested in Canon, having just bought a 5DII, 7D, 580 flashes for both, grips, great glass, etc...they're certainly not switching to Pentax.

Having used his 5DII at recent events...and experiencing the snappy autofocus even in low light...it has left me wanting for some kind of an upgrade from my K10D, whether it's a K20D, a K-7, or a complete system switch. I love my camera, don't get me wrong...but my lenses often hunt desperately in low light to find focus. I would love a full frame digital Pentax...but I'd sacrifice the larger sensor in a hearbeat for autofocus speed and noise levels that are on par with the competition. I'M WILLING TO PAY PENTAX...I REALLY AM!!!! I don't want to switch...but if Pentax doesn't improve in those two areas soon...I might have to.

KungPOW · 11-18-2009, 10:02 AM

Originally posted by eurostar

Surely I have missed the Olympus full-frame body, then...

Olympus is not based on a 135 format lens mount. Their 4/3 system is using the largest sensor that can be used. You did't "miss" it. Of all the systems, Olympus may never build a FF camera. They would need to introduce yet another mount if they were to go this route.

builttospill · 11-18-2009, 10:09 AM

Originally posted by ozlizard

1. End of 2010 at the latest.
2. 20+ megapixels, no video, 100% viewfinder, hi res screen, no flash, improved ae\
3. Sony 850/900, Canon 5D MK2

I'd bet Pentax doesn't take the no flash route, as they've invested a lot in the 360's and 540's wireless abilities.

KungPOW · 11-18-2009, 10:15 AM

Originally posted by eurostar

Surely I have missed the Olympus full-frame body, then...

Originally posted by knoxploration

You were probably distracted by the Panasonic full-frame body. And the Sigma full-frame body. Not to mention the Epson, Fujifilm, Ricoh and Samsung full-frame bodies.

/oh wait - none of those exist either
//Every one of those companies has current, upcoming, or recent (last two years or so) interchangeable-lens bodies in APS-C or near-APS-C formats, but no FF nor any suggestion of FF plans.

Again, none of these cameras use a FF mount for their lenses.

Except for Fuji and Sigma that make DSLR's based on Nikon bodies with specialty sensors. These two could be expected to build a FF eventually. But they really are niche players. You could use these cameras as part of a system that includes a FF camera. Your Fuji "bride and groom" shooter can share the same lenses as your D700.

11-18-2009, 12:35 AM	#362
Shingoshi Inactive Account Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 83	There are seems to be an update coming for the A900... I read that Sony has already designed an even higher resolution FF sensor than the one in the A900. I just hope that when they release it, the body they use will be a unitized design like the Nikon D3 and Canon professional cameras. I for one really don't want a body that comes apart. Except for the viewfinder. It would be really ironic if Sony were the one to reintroduce detachable optical viewfinders on a DSLR. Xavian-Anderson Macpherson ShingoshiDao

11-18-2009, 05:37 AM	#366
Samsungian Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Colorado USA Posts: 1,337	Indeed add the two sony full frames and one Leica Indeed add the two sony full frames and one Leica for a total of 12 full frames from past or present. Then let the real full frame rumors begin: Sony A750 Canon 1Ds mark IV Canon 5D mark III Canon 3D Nikon D700x Nikon D800 and Pentax LXD Originally posted by KungPOW Samsugian, You missed the A900, and A850. The ironic thing is that the A850 has the spec's I would have expected to see on a Pentax FF, had it come out this year. I still believe that business between Samsung and Pentax went sour, and that delayed the production of a FF pentax. I think the rejuvinated 645D development was done until Pentax could re-organise their FF development. There is also the rumor that the Sony A750 will be full frame. Not sure if I buy into that one or not. But as it stands, everyone but Pentax is now making multiple FF bodies. Common Pentax!!! Last edited by Samsungian; 11-18-2009 at 06:28 AM.

11-18-2009, 07:47 AM	#371
Samsungian Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Colorado USA Posts: 1,337	No built in flash on 5D Mark II No built in flash on 5D Mark II No built in flash on 5D Classic Yet D700 has built in flash. It was one of a few reasons why I bought a D700 and maybe a reason why I still pass on 5D Mark II. Well that and price after a year remains stuck at launch. I hate to pay full price for any dslr now. Originally posted by lol101 1/ Shouldn't that read "End of 2010 at the very earliest" (I would be very surprised if Pentax announced a FF before Photokina 2010)? 2/Agreed on all "whish specs" but the "no flash" one. Why? If for nothing else, onboard flash makes for an inexpensive and efficient remote flash trigger no?

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11-18-2009, 12:30 AM	#361
knoxploration Veteran Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Knoxville, Tennessee Posts: 846	Originally posted by Adam Also, if you look at the ist D's mirror, you'll notice that it was full-frame: this suggestes that Pentax initially considered having a full-frame body, then dropped the idea due to sensor development problems. Eh? http://a.img-dpreview.com/reviews/pentaxistd/Images/mountccd01.jpg http://a.img-dpreview.com/reviews/pentaxistd/Images/mountccd02.jpg http://www.aohc.it/pshw2003/20mzs_istD_1.jpg http://www.aohc.it/pshw2003/21mzs_istD_2.jpg ist mount "At first sight, little difference between MZ-S and ist D inside mirror box. Just a smaller mirror* and missing power zoom contacts, as expected. " Oh, and yes - Pentax definitely initially considered having a full-frame body. That's beyond question - I actually once handled it myself. That camera was the MZ-D, and was based on the MZ-S film camera body with the Philips FTF3020-C sensor from the Contax N Digital. Last edited by knoxploration; 11-18-2009 at 12:33 AM. Reason: Adding more info.

11-18-2009, 01:03 AM	#363
ozlizard Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Bridgetown West Australia Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 903 Original Poster	Quote: 1.) How long are you willing to wait for Pentax to produce a FF camera? 2.) What features would you need that camera to have to keep you from buying another manufacturer's product? 3.) And if they don't in the amount of time you're willing to wait, what other camera will you look for, and why? 1. End of 2010 at the latest. 2. 20+ megapixels, no video, 100% viewfinder, hi res screen, no flash, improved ae\ 3. Sony 850/900, Canon 5D MK2

11-18-2009, 02:23 AM	#364
eurostar Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Albareto, Italy Photos: Gallery Posts: 819	Originally posted by KungPOW But as it stands, everyone but Pentax is now making multiple FF bodies. Common Pentax!!! Surely I have missed the Olympus full-frame body, then...

11-18-2009, 03:13 AM	#365
knoxploration Veteran Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Knoxville, Tennessee Posts: 846	Originally posted by eurostar Surely I have missed the Olympus full-frame body, then... You were probably distracted by the Panasonic full-frame body. And the Sigma full-frame body. Not to mention the Epson, Fujifilm, Ricoh and Samsung full-frame bodies. /oh wait - none of those exist either //Every one of those companies has current, upcoming, or recent (last two years or so) interchangeable-lens bodies in APS-C or near-APS-C formats, but no FF nor any suggestion of FF plans.

11-18-2009, 05:53 AM	#367
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	Pentax FX-1

11-18-2009, 07:24 AM	#368
PrimeObjectif Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: New York Photos: Albums Posts: 599	http://www.mohaveinstrument.com/NewFiles/FX1DE.html And Panasonic had an FX1 P&S out a while ago. Would Pentax use the same name?

11-18-2009, 07:30 AM	#369
lol101 Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Garennes sur Eure France Photos: Gallery Posts: 899	Originally posted by ozlizard 1. End of 2010 at the latest. 2. 20+ megapixels, no video, 100% viewfinder, hi res screen, no flash, improved ae\ 3. Sony 850/900, Canon 5D MK2 1/ Shouldn't that read "End of 2010 at the very earliest" (I would be very surprised if Pentax announced a FF before Photokina 2010)? 2/Agreed on all "whish specs" but the "no flash" one. Why? If for nothing else, onboard flash makes for an inexpensive and efficient remote flash trigger no?

11-18-2009, 07:33 AM	#370
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	Originally posted by PrimeObjectif Pentax FX1-DE Theodolite And Panasonic had an FX1 P&S out a while ago. Would Pentax use the same name? It's just my guess. Maybe simply F.

11-18-2009, 08:13 AM	#372
DanLoc78 Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Philadelphia Photos: Gallery Posts: 915	I, for one, am considering a switch to Canon. Friends of mine just started up their own business, and with the clashing Pentax and Canon systems we can't work as efficiently as we could if we all had like gear. They're fully invested in Canon, having just bought a 5DII, 7D, 580 flashes for both, grips, great glass, etc...they're certainly not switching to Pentax. Having used his 5DII at recent events...and experiencing the snappy autofocus even in low light...it has left me wanting for some kind of an upgrade from my K10D, whether it's a K20D, a K-7, or a complete system switch. I love my camera, don't get me wrong...but my lenses often hunt desperately in low light to find focus. I would love a full frame digital Pentax...but I'd sacrifice the larger sensor in a hearbeat for autofocus speed and noise levels that are on par with the competition. I'M WILLING TO PAY PENTAX...I REALLY AM!!!! I don't want to switch...but if Pentax doesn't improve in those two areas soon...I might have to.

11-18-2009, 10:02 AM	#373
KungPOW Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Vancouver, Canada Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,699	Originally posted by eurostar Surely I have missed the Olympus full-frame body, then... Olympus is not based on a 135 format lens mount. Their 4/3 system is using the largest sensor that can be used. You did't "miss" it. Of all the systems, Olympus may never build a FF camera. They would need to introduce yet another mount if they were to go this route.

11-18-2009, 10:09 AM	#374
builttospill Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Utah, Idaho Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,398	Originally posted by ozlizard 1. End of 2010 at the latest. 2. 20+ megapixels, no video, 100% viewfinder, hi res screen, no flash, improved ae\ 3. Sony 850/900, Canon 5D MK2 I'd bet Pentax doesn't take the no flash route, as they've invested a lot in the 360's and 540's wireless abilities.

11-18-2009, 10:15 AM	#375
KungPOW Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Vancouver, Canada Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,699	Originally posted by eurostar Surely I have missed the Olympus full-frame body, then... Originally posted by knoxploration You were probably distracted by the Panasonic full-frame body. And the Sigma full-frame body. Not to mention the Epson, Fujifilm, Ricoh and Samsung full-frame bodies. /oh wait - none of those exist either //Every one of those companies has current, upcoming, or recent (last two years or so) interchangeable-lens bodies in APS-C or near-APS-C formats, but no FF nor any suggestion of FF plans. Again, none of these cameras use a FF mount for their lenses. Except for Fuji and Sigma that make DSLR's based on Nikon bodies with specialty sensors. These two could be expected to build a FF eventually. But they really are niche players. You could use these cameras as part of a system that includes a FF camera. Your Fuji "bride and groom" shooter can share the same lenses as your D700.