Lens are going to discontinued.

RMabo · 12-06-2009, 10:14 AM

The Tokina 16.5 - 135 and 11-16 f/2.8 are both designed by Tokina.
The 16-50 f/2.8, 50-135 f/2.8, 35 f/2.8 Macro, 100 f/2.8 Macro, 10-17 fisheye zoom - were all designed by Pentax and sold to Tokina.

Now, about this statement Hoya stopping shared lens designs. The story may very well be that Tokina doesn't want to sell their lens designs to what Pentax (Hoya) is prepared to pay for them.

Or, it could very well be that Pentax are indeed preparing their own versions of those lenses, but they just aren't finished yet. (The 11-16 was in Pentax unofficial roadmap before the K20D was released).

They need SDM drive and weather sealing.

audiobomber · 12-06-2009, 12:18 PM

Originally posted by RMabo

The Tokina 16.5 - 135 and 11-16 f/2.8 are both designed by Tokina.
The 16-50 f/2.8, 50-135 f/2.8, 35 f/2.8 Macro, 100 f/2.8 Macro, 10-17 fisheye zoom - were all designed by Pentax and sold to Tokina.

Isn't the 12-24 at Tokina design licensed to Pentax?

thibs · 12-06-2009, 12:55 PM

Originally posted by audiobomber

Isn't the 12-24 at Tokina design licensed to Pentax?

And DAF 100 macro AFAIK (but could be wrong).

Andrew Faires · 12-06-2009, 02:03 PM

Originally posted by Talisker

Unfortunately a DA*400 f/4 and DA*500mm f/4 would probably come out at around £5000 a piece, so I wouldn't hold your breath! A 400 f5.6 would be more likely but even that would be into four figures at current prices...
Repeat after me " I don't need any more lenses; I don't need any more lenses; I don't need - hey, that's a bargin, where's the credit card"

You're probably right, but I'd peg it at $5-6000 in a 500 f/4 flavour and 4-5K for a 400mm f/4.

My biggest fear is that they'll release a DA* 400mm f/5.6 that's a re-badge of the FA* version like they did with the 200mm. Don't get me wrong, I like my FA* 400, but it's not as sharp as most other 400mm primes out there now, whereas the 200 was & is a very sharp lens.

And while I don't "need" any more lenses, I can't say I'd be able to pass up a chance for a weather-sealed, near silent super-tele.

(though I'm sure my wife would encourage me to pass it up

)

Blue · 12-06-2009, 06:17 PM

The DA 50-200mm WR is out so that one makes sense. I don't see why they would discontinue a special order lens. The DA 16-45mm doesn't make sense at this point either.

**monochrome** · 12-06-2009, 07:32 PM

Originally posted by Blue

I don't see why they would discontinue a special order lens. The DA 16-45mm doesn't make sense at this point either.

Special Order Lenses: Because they let go all those highly-skilled but expensive Japanese hand laborers last year and moved manufacturing to Taiwan, Vietnam and the Phillippines. Pentax no longer has the capability to manufacture a lot of these fine lenses. They're forced to use the Filipino and Vietnamese lens factories now, where processes are more automated and laborers are less skilled.

That;'s a large part of the reason we won't see many, if any, FA-variant lenses in FF digital - it may in fact be the REASON Pentax won't make a FF camera. They CAN'T make the lenses.

16-45: We know manufacturers batch-manufacture their lenses and store them in warehouses for sale by lots. The existing stock is running low, the production lines are probably dedicated to something else now, so they can't start a new batch of 16-45 without hiring and training more workers - matbe even opening new productions lines (Capital shortage? What's a capital shortage?)

So the lens is just "discontinued."

ogl · 12-06-2009, 11:26 PM

Originally posted by RMabo

The Tokina 16.5 - 135 and 11-16 f/2.8 are both designed by Tokina.

No. 16.5-135 - by Pentax. Check patent base, please.

Last edited by ogl; 12-07-2009 at 09:01 AM.

bunegg · 12-07-2009, 03:47 AM

I prefer to think that remakes are coming.

audiobomber · 12-07-2009, 05:58 AM

Originally posted by ogl

No. 16.5-135 - by Pentax. Check patent base.

Wow, that is interesting news.

kevinschoenmakers · 12-07-2009, 06:12 AM

Originally posted by ogl

No. 16.5-135 - by Pentax. Check patent base.

Then, does that leave any Tokina lenses not made by pentax?

Samsungian · 12-07-2009, 07:16 AM

I have no Tokina lenses available locally to look at but are the current Tokinas made for Canon and Nikon mounts, the ones that also share same specs with Pentax versions like 10-17mm, 16-50mm, 50-135mm, 35mm Macro, Made in Japan ???

or are these current Tokina "Co-Designed" clones:

Stamped, hidden inside their lensmounts "Made in Vietnam" or as Pentax likes to say, "Assembled in Vietnam"?

If current Tokina lenses are still "Made in Japan" then why would anyone think Pentax makes these Tokinas for Canon and Nikon mounts?

I don't know as I've never handled a current Tokina branded lenses for Canon or Nikon mounts:

Pentax and Tokina do not sell products locally, just via the internets.

Originally posted by kevinschoenmakers

Then, does that leave any Tokina lenses not made by pentax?

kevinschoenmakers · 12-07-2009, 07:28 AM

Sorry, that was a bad choice of words on my part, I should have said 'designed' instead of 'made'.

thibs · 12-07-2009, 07:32 AM

Originally posted by kevinschoenmakers

Sorry, that was a bad choice of words on my part, I should have said 'designed' instead of 'made'.

100macro, 12-24 are tokina designs afaik. They have older designs as well such as 80-400 etc.

thibs · 12-07-2009, 07:35 AM

Originally posted by ogl

No. 16.5-135 - by Pentax. Check patent base.

Interesting. Could you provide a link? Thx.

audiobomber · 12-07-2009, 08:04 AM

Originally posted by thibs

100macro, 12-24 are tokina designs afaik.

I've heard disputing views on the 100mm Macro. Some say it's a Tokina lens, some say it's a Pentax redesign of the FA 100mm Macro.

12-07-2009, 07:16 AM	#41
Samsungian Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Colorado USA Posts: 1,337	I have no Tokina available locally to look at but I have no Tokina lenses available locally to look at but are the current Tokinas made for Canon and Nikon mounts, the ones that also share same specs with Pentax versions like 10-17mm, 16-50mm, 50-135mm, 35mm Macro, Made in Japan ??? or are these current Tokina "Co-Designed" clones: Stamped, hidden inside their lensmounts "Made in Vietnam" or as Pentax likes to say, "Assembled in Vietnam"? If current Tokina lenses are still "Made in Japan" then why would anyone think Pentax makes these Tokinas for Canon and Nikon mounts? I don't know as I've never handled a current Tokina branded lenses for Canon or Nikon mounts: Pentax and Tokina do not sell products locally, just via the internets. Originally posted by kevinschoenmakers Then, does that leave any Tokina lenses not made by pentax?

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12-06-2009, 10:14 AM	#31
RMabo Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Sweden Posts: 845	The Tokina 16.5 - 135 and 11-16 f/2.8 are both designed by Tokina. The 16-50 f/2.8, 50-135 f/2.8, 35 f/2.8 Macro, 100 f/2.8 Macro, 10-17 fisheye zoom - were all designed by Pentax and sold to Tokina. Now, about this statement Hoya stopping shared lens designs. The story may very well be that Tokina doesn't want to sell their lens designs to what Pentax (Hoya) is prepared to pay for them. Or, it could very well be that Pentax are indeed preparing their own versions of those lenses, but they just aren't finished yet. (The 11-16 was in Pentax unofficial roadmap before the K20D was released). They need SDM drive and weather sealing.

12-06-2009, 12:18 PM	#32
audiobomber Veteran Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Sudbury, Ontario Photos: Albums Posts: 6,806	Originally posted by RMabo The Tokina 16.5 - 135 and 11-16 f/2.8 are both designed by Tokina. The 16-50 f/2.8, 50-135 f/2.8, 35 f/2.8 Macro, 100 f/2.8 Macro, 10-17 fisheye zoom - were all designed by Pentax and sold to Tokina. Isn't the 12-24 at Tokina design licensed to Pentax?

12-06-2009, 12:55 PM	#33
thibs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Photos: Albums Posts: 7,001	Originally posted by audiobomber Isn't the 12-24 at Tokina design licensed to Pentax? And DAF 100 macro AFAIK (but could be wrong).

12-06-2009, 02:03 PM	#34
Andrew Faires Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Ontario Posts: 744	Originally posted by Talisker Unfortunately a DA400 f/4 and DA500mm f/4 would probably come out at around £5000 a piece, so I wouldn't hold your breath! A 400 f5.6 would be more likely but even that would be into four figures at current prices... Repeat after me " I don't need any more lenses; I don't need any more lenses; I don't need - hey, that's a bargin, where's the credit card" You're probably right, but I'd peg it at $5-6000 in a 500 f/4 flavour and 4-5K for a 400mm f/4. My biggest fear is that they'll release a DA* 400mm f/5.6 that's a re-badge of the FA* version like they did with the 200mm. Don't get me wrong, I like my FA* 400, but it's not as sharp as most other 400mm primes out there now, whereas the 200 was & is a very sharp lens. And while I don't "need" any more lenses, I can't say I'd be able to pass up a chance for a weather-sealed, near silent super-tele. (though I'm sure my wife would encourage me to pass it up )

12-06-2009, 06:17 PM	#35
Blue Moderator Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Florida Hill Country Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 17,377	The DA 50-200mm WR is out so that one makes sense. I don't see why they would discontinue a special order lens. The DA 16-45mm doesn't make sense at this point either.

12-06-2009, 07:32 PM	#36
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Originally posted by Blue I don't see why they would discontinue a special order lens. The DA 16-45mm doesn't make sense at this point either. Special Order Lenses: Because they let go all those highly-skilled but expensive Japanese hand laborers last year and moved manufacturing to Taiwan, Vietnam and the Phillippines. Pentax no longer has the capability to manufacture a lot of these fine lenses. They're forced to use the Filipino and Vietnamese lens factories now, where processes are more automated and laborers are less skilled. That;'s a large part of the reason we won't see many, if any, FA-variant lenses in FF digital - it may in fact be the REASON Pentax won't make a FF camera. They CAN'T make the lenses. 16-45: We know manufacturers batch-manufacture their lenses and store them in warehouses for sale by lots. The existing stock is running low, the production lines are probably dedicated to something else now, so they can't start a new batch of 16-45 without hiring and training more workers - matbe even opening new productions lines (Capital shortage? What's a capital shortage?) So the lens is just "discontinued."

12-06-2009, 11:26 PM	#37
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	Originally posted by RMabo The Tokina 16.5 - 135 and 11-16 f/2.8 are both designed by Tokina. No. 16.5-135 - by Pentax. Check patent base, please. Last edited by ogl; 12-07-2009 at 09:01 AM.

12-07-2009, 03:47 AM	#38
bunegg Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 82	I prefer to think that remakes are coming.

12-07-2009, 05:58 AM	#39
audiobomber Veteran Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Sudbury, Ontario Photos: Albums Posts: 6,806	Originally posted by ogl No. 16.5-135 - by Pentax. Check patent base. Wow, that is interesting news.

12-07-2009, 06:12 AM	#40
kevinschoenmakers Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Shanghai Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,509	Originally posted by ogl No. 16.5-135 - by Pentax. Check patent base. Then, does that leave any Tokina lenses not made by pentax?

12-07-2009, 07:28 AM	#42
kevinschoenmakers Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Shanghai Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,509	Sorry, that was a bad choice of words on my part, I should have said 'designed' instead of 'made'.

12-07-2009, 07:32 AM	#43
thibs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Photos: Albums Posts: 7,001	Originally posted by kevinschoenmakers Sorry, that was a bad choice of words on my part, I should have said 'designed' instead of 'made'. 100macro, 12-24 are tokina designs afaik. They have older designs as well such as 80-400 etc.

12-07-2009, 07:35 AM	#44
thibs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Photos: Albums Posts: 7,001	Originally posted by ogl No. 16.5-135 - by Pentax. Check patent base. Interesting. Could you provide a link? Thx.

12-07-2009, 08:04 AM	#45
audiobomber Veteran Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Sudbury, Ontario Photos: Albums Posts: 6,806	Originally posted by thibs 100macro, 12-24 are tokina designs afaik. I've heard disputing views on the 100mm Macro. Some say it's a Tokina lens, some say it's a Pentax redesign of the FA 100mm Macro.