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starbase218 · 01-06-2010, 10:39 AM

Originally posted by Jasvox

Pity is, there are far too many people who blame the equipment for their own shortcomings. The K20, Kx or the K-7 are very capable cameras in the right hands when actually SHOOTING...and in shooting I mean, real world shots, scenes and composed photographs, not some crappy comparison shots of some thrown together sample fodder at 15 different iso settings that mean very little other than to serve one's own fetish of noise comparisons.
If you cant make great photos with either of these three models, you need to go on to stamp collecting, toy trains, etc. It doesn't matter how sharp, clear, noise free, etc etc etc each body is in your dreams, you still cant make God appear in the photo when you spend all your time comparing minutiae instead of getting out and actually COMPOSING. How many great photographers are/were known from their portfolio of test shots?

There are those who can, and there are those who cant and usually blame the equipment.

Jason

I agree with that statement. The thing I don't get is why you post it in a topic called "DXOMark releases benchmarks for K-7 - result ordinary".

asdf · 01-06-2010, 11:00 AM

Originally posted by Jasvox

Pity is, there are far too many people who blame the equipment for their own shortcomings.

That's true. A lot of these comparisons are nitpicking. But nitpicking for some is a hobby...and even a career for others. Live and let live.

eljaco · 01-20-2010, 04:58 AM

Originally posted by tigrebleu

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Until then, I suspect all APS-C sensors will be pretty close to one another in terms of image quality (at least when shooting RAW) and that improvements in the departement of noise levels will come more often from in-camera software than from sensor developpement.

- Not starting another debate on FF Vs APS, but APS have advantages on their own, so even if FF costs would come down a lot, I still think there will be room for an APS market (ie, Canon release their Mark 4 with a crop sensor for a reason...)
- If we look at what Sony is doing with their backlit sensor, we can hope improvements with APS in noise/etc. And I'm sure all sensor makers are exploring various solutions to better APS sensors in every aspects (S/N, DR, Colors, etc.) - I see no reason why we would be stuck here...

m8o · 01-26-2010, 05:24 PM

Originally posted by Jasvox

...It doesn't matter how sharp, clear, noise free, etc etc etc each body is in your dreams, you still cant make God appear in the photo when you spend all your time comparing minutiae instead of getting out and actually COMPOSING. ...

and even then, not unless you have one of the "pixie dust" lenses mounted mentioned in another recent thread.

But as has been pointed out, we digress.

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01-06-2010, 10:39 AM	#106
starbase218 Inactive Account Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Planet Earth, Sol system, Milky Way galaxy, Universe Posts: 1,119	Originally posted by Jasvox Pity is, there are far too many people who blame the equipment for their own shortcomings. The K20, Kx or the K-7 are very capable cameras in the right hands when actually SHOOTING...and in shooting I mean, real world shots, scenes and composed photographs, not some crappy comparison shots of some thrown together sample fodder at 15 different iso settings that mean very little other than to serve one's own fetish of noise comparisons. If you cant make great photos with either of these three models, you need to go on to stamp collecting, toy trains, etc. It doesn't matter how sharp, clear, noise free, etc etc etc each body is in your dreams, you still cant make God appear in the photo when you spend all your time comparing minutiae instead of getting out and actually COMPOSING. How many great photographers are/were known from their portfolio of test shots? There are those who can, and there are those who cant and usually blame the equipment. Jason I agree with that statement. The thing I don't get is why you post it in a topic called "DXOMark releases benchmarks for K-7 - result ordinary".

01-06-2010, 11:00 AM	#107
asdf Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Canada Posts: 1,252	Originally posted by Jasvox Pity is, there are far too many people who blame the equipment for their own shortcomings. That's true. A lot of these comparisons are nitpicking. But nitpicking for some is a hobby...and even a career for others. Live and let live.

01-20-2010, 04:58 AM	#108
eljaco Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Courbevoie Posts: 72	Originally posted by tigrebleu ... Until then, I suspect all APS-C sensors will be pretty close to one another in terms of image quality (at least when shooting RAW) and that improvements in the departement of noise levels will come more often from in-camera software than from sensor developpement. - Not starting another debate on FF Vs APS, but APS have advantages on their own, so even if FF costs would come down a lot, I still think there will be room for an APS market (ie, Canon release their Mark 4 with a crop sensor for a reason...) - If we look at what Sony is doing with their backlit sensor, we can hope improvements with APS in noise/etc. And I'm sure all sensor makers are exploring various solutions to better APS sensors in every aspects (S/N, DR, Colors, etc.) - I see no reason why we would be stuck here...

01-26-2010, 05:24 PM	#109
m8o Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: 40°-55'-44" N / 73°-24'-07" W [on LI] Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,092	Originally posted by Jasvox ...It doesn't matter how sharp, clear, noise free, etc etc etc each body is in your dreams, you still cant make God appear in the photo when you spend all your time comparing minutiae instead of getting out and actually COMPOSING. ... and even then, not unless you have one of the "pixie dust" lenses mounted mentioned in another recent thread. But as has been pointed out, we digress.