Originally posted by lithos * Pentax is actually hiding a shitload of money...
Are you by any chance someone who responds with "Hoya is larger than Canon and Nikon combined" to the "Pentax is going bankrupt" doomsayers? Or are you one of the doomsayers? There isn't that much middle ground.
Quote: bring out a full frame camera (you know, something with a proven market as opposed to this hype and speculation surrounding EVILs,)
If they hit with a FF camera they reach a few pros who are heavily invested into Canikon anyway. If they hit with an EVIL camera they reach a much wider market at what initially appear to be much higher profit margins. What seems a better scenario for Pentax?
Quote: start reminding potential consumers that they still exist and make decent cameras through the wonderful medium of advertising.
... and getting the product on the shelves so people can see it. I agree with that point.
That said, you cannot really out-Canikon the Canikons, advertising or not. Sticking with DSLRs would largely be attempting that.
Quote: One day, EVFs will be better than OVFs. That's the same logic you should use as an excuse to take up having unprotected sex with complete strangers and sharing needles, because one day there'll be a cure for HIV.
First, they only need to be "good enough" to succeed and not "better". Also, with EVFs you can see them getting better year after year. With HIV vaccines, you don't see much progress even after 30 years, so your comparison is not valid.
Also, there is a difference between a company taking business risks where the alternative is likely slow obsolescence, and you taking unnecessary health risks where the alternative is .05 additional millimeters between you and the other person or grabbing more needles at the chemists.
Do you see how your analogy doesn't apply?
Quote: As it stands, the current range of EVILs are like those 4WDs you see around that have the fuel efficiency of a 4WD, are the size of a real 4WD, cost as much as a 4WD, but aren't actually 4WD, and instead are powered by something similar to a windup rubber band used on balsawood planes.
Not a valid analogy. They mostly get the size right, which, for now, is their main selling point. They don't get the cost right yet, but that's only more reason for Pentax to jump on board.
Quote: The inherit the flaws of SLRS - price, bulk, complexity (given their target market) - and with only two advantages: interchangeable lenses and a large sensor.
What complexity? They can be put in auto mode like most DSLRs. And they have a decent live view unlike most DSLRs so they are more usable for the P&S crowd.
Bulk wise the GF1 + 14-45 is 543g, the K-x + 18-55L is 780g and that's comparing it with the lightest DSLR on the market; the average DSLR is much heavier. Canon 7D + 17-55 is 1445g, etc.
Quote: Of course, why stick with proven technology that's free to use (OVFs) when you can shell out millions for new, untested technology that's probably had the crap patented out of it. Why invest money in your own products when you can just send it all to your competitors?
You could make the same argument upon the introduction of any technology you didn't invent, including AF and digital. They might as well close shop now if they take that attitude.
Quote: untested
You keep using that word. I don't think it means what you think it means.
Quote: One question this all raises: if EVILs are the Second Coming of Oskar Barnack or whatever, why are there all these people still on a forum about a company that doesn't make one?
Perhaps they hope that company may still make one. Or they intend to run both systems and would like to support Pentax on both. Or they haven't switched... yet. By the time "all these people" are gone it may be too late for Pentax to get them back.
Quote: As Wheatfield says, if makers invest a shitload of infrastructure into EVILs, they're probably not going to keep SLRs around. You know what's a better photoediting monitor than an IPS LCD? A CRT. Where can you buy one of those new, now?
Now that's an excellent analogy, better than the last two you used. Thank you for bringing it up.
CRTs = DSLRs
LCDs = EVILs
What you're saying is that if Pentax was a monitor company you'd want them to keep turning out CRTs in this day and age for you, Wheatfield and a few luddites. Doesn't matter than almost noone is buying them and everybody's switched over to LCDs. Doesn't matter than Pentax goes bankrupt while producing them or at least cannot really afford to improve on them any more. The one aspect of CRTs having better colour reproduction (compare with "optical viewfinder") is enough for you to ignore every other aspect.
Quote: For the GF1's favourable review on Luminous Landscape - the hint's in the title. Landscape.
This shows you haven't read the review, aren't ready to argue on the real issues but jump on every strawman argument opportunity possible.
Although indeed, EVILs don't feature great continuous AF so they are indeed not that useful for sports/bird shooters. How many years do you give before that changes though? Two? Five?
Quote: For those who are wondering if I've been underestimating the M4/3's market penetration, would you please take a guess as to how many EVILs I've seen?
The JDM has generally been a decent indicator of the trends to come, likely better than the outskirts of your cave^H^H^H^Hresidence.