K-x finishes 3rd in Japan for December

redrockcoulee · 01-16-2010, 03:49 PM

Originally posted by kevinschoenmakers

You forgot the scientists on Antarctica.

Actually I did think about them but decided that they probably would purchase them before they went to Antarctica rather than trying to obtain them locally.

nosnoop · 01-18-2010, 03:26 PM

Originally posted by Samsungian

In 2009 Japan accounted for ONLY 11% of total dslr sales.
Who bought the other 89% of Dslrs made in 2009?

What's your point and why do you have to post the same info twice?

Japan is still one of the largest market for a single country. Maybe not the top market, but definitely one of the more important market, especially as a guidance for product planning, research and development.

Samsungian · 01-18-2010, 06:18 PM

Is Japan #1 market for Dslr sales?

If not, then why does the one country statistic matter? Why is Japan such an important statistic?

Pentax makes no cameras or lenses in Japan now. Hoya Ceo said making equiptment in Japan is "stupid". So I don't get why Japan Sales statistics matter.

Accelerating Factory Exodus Guts Japan Manufacturing Center - Bloomberg.com

>>>"

The Pentax factory peaked in the 1970s, with 1,500 workers making 35-millimeter, single-lens reflex cameras. Hoya’s Hamada moved all camera production offshore helping the company’s Pentax division to return to profit with operating income of 1.19 billion yen last quarter. Continuing to manufacture in Japan was “stupid,” according to Hamada.

<<<"

Hoya bought out Pentax on April 2008 and proceeded to slash and shutter production in Japan and elsewhere. 2007 was the last time Pentax appeared in top three sales in Japan. See chart below, see link below...

I don't get why Japan is so important yet bought only 11% of 2009 Global interchangeable lens camera production.

Japanese buyers are eagerly buying m4/3 now.
So I guess that means everyone outside of Japan's home market will buy m4/3 systems now, right???

>>>"

Japanese Market share for cameras with interchangeable lenses

1 place (share) 2nd (share) 3rd (Shared)
2009 Canon (39.1%) Nikon (31.3%) Panasonic (8.7%)
2008 Canon (40.1%) Nikon (39.9%) Sony (9.2%)
2007 Nikon (43.8%) Canon (40.0%) Pentax (5.8%)
2006 Canon (44.6%) Nikon (33.6%) Pentax (9.2%)
2005 Canon (52.1%) Nikon (29.3%) Pentax (7.3%)

Thanks to MicroFourThirds Panasonic gained the third place! It is also interesting to see how much Nikon lost. I didn’t expect that.

<<<"

Japanese Top 3 brand for the year 2009!

Originally posted by nosnoop

What's your point and why do you have to post the same info twice?

Japan is still one of the largest market for a single country. Maybe not the top market, but definitely one of the more important market, especially as a guidance for product planning, research and development.

**Rondec** · 01-18-2010, 06:33 PM

Well, just consider that Japan has a population of 127 million people, give or take a few hundred thousand. The world population is currently 6.7 billion, give or take a few hundred million. That means that a specific 1.8 percent of the world's population bought 11 percent of the SLRs sold last year. You certainly wouldn't find per capita numbers like that in any other country.

In other words, it can be a pretty good microcosm of where things are headed.

And what the rest of your numbers have to do with anything, I haven't the foggiest idea. A lot of things we buy are made in countries like Vietnam and China. That has nothing to do with anything as long as quality controls are in place and high enough.

supero · 01-18-2010, 11:56 PM

Originally posted by Clicker

I wonder how Pentax does in China? Canon is basically the leader over there.

kx is very popular in china too,
many dslr begainner compare kx to d90 and 500d.
for its high iso and other interesting special features,the most is its low price（the price of kits is just a little more than half of d90`s）.
the forums of kx is the most hottest catalog .

julia · 01-19-2010, 01:10 AM

Originally posted by nosnoop

What's your point and why do you have to post the same info twice?

Japan is still one of the largest market for a single country. Maybe not the top market, but definitely one of the more important market, especially as a guidance for product planning, research and development.

Originally posted by Samsungian

Is Japan #1 market for Dslr sales?
.....

not #1, but true one of the more important market.

just for example
in Japan, I have 2 best friends using Canon gear (not Japanese), working as a factory worker (labor).
they can spend $800-$2000 for 1 "L" lens, each one have 3-4 "L" lenses along with 5D and 1Ds.

me? I'm only a student

Japanese ??? don't ask, 645D will be affordable for a retired Japanese.
that's why Japan is definitely one of the more important market.

kevinschoenmakers · 01-19-2010, 01:42 AM

Originally posted by Samsungian

Is Japan #1 market for Dslr sales?

If not, then why does the one country statistic matter? Why is Japan such an important statistic?

Man are you obnoxious. The USA is not the biggest market for cars, but it still matters what kind of cars Americans want to buy.

gazonk · 01-19-2010, 03:59 AM

Originally posted by Rondec

Well, just consider that Japan has a population of 127 million people, give or take a few hundred thousand. The world population is currently 6.7 billion, give or take a few hundred million. That means that a specific 1.8 percent of the world's population bought 11 percent of the SLRs sold last year. You certainly wouldn't find per capita numbers like that in any other country.

Yes you would - here in Norway:
Pressemelding fra Fotorådet / IKT-Norge: Økt salg av avanserte speilreflekskameraer - IKT Norge

47000 DSLRs sold in the first half of 2009. Not sure how may were sold world-wide, but this page gives a number of 9.7 million for 2008, and an estimate of 8-8.5 million for 2009. Let's say they were a little pessimistic, so we'll guesstimate 4.7 million for the first half of 2009. This makes the Norwegian market 1% of the world market, with only 0.07% of the world population.

So the Norwegian per capita numbers are 2.3 times the japanese!

Samsungian · 01-19-2010, 04:17 AM

This thread celebrates K-x 3rd place sales in just one month victory in Japan.

Prior to Hoya buyout of Pentax Corporation in 2008, Pentax sat in 3rd place for 3 years in a row in Japan, 2005, 2006, 2007.
That's 3rd Place in total sales for entire year, not for just one month.

Panasonic sits in 3rd place for entire year of 2009 in Japan. Sony took 3rd place in 2008.

Kunzite · 01-19-2010, 04:30 AM

You say it as it is Hoya's fault... but the truth is, they're back in the game - and it's with the products Hoya supervised.
Also, the K-x started selling when, exactly? It's not "just one month", it's a successful product. It can't sell 4 times better than that Panasonic, though, in order to put Pentax on the 3rd place for the whole year.

Samsungian · 01-19-2010, 05:17 AM

Hoya's Fault?

Well Prior to their takeover of Pentax, Pentax had better market position in 2005 and 2006 and 2007 in Japan. Since Hoya buyout of Pentax, Pentax failed to place in top 3 annual sales in Japan Homemarket.

Here's a fun link,

Monthly sales of digital cameras and digital cameras with interchangeable lenses from Aug 2001 thru November 2009 broken down into various areas around the globe:

CIPA:Digital Cameras

**Rondec** · 01-19-2010, 05:24 AM

Pentax had dug themselves into a hole. The only way that they could get people to buy their products was by selling them for at or below cost. In fact, their camera division was bleeding all over the place and the only part of their business maintaining was the medical division. At least Hoya has given them a plan (do you remember a roadmap full of undelivered lenses?) and some money for R and D. I don't love Hoya's methods, but Pentax as a camera company was sinking fast before they came along.

Kunzite · 01-19-2010, 05:33 AM

Samsungian, that's a very superficial view - just after the takeover, Hoya couldn't possible cancel what Pentax was doing and start with a new strategy.
Yes, it's possible the takeover delayed their plans and affected sales (and some people were worried about their future). But Pentax lost market share with Pentax-planned&developed products, following the Pentax strategy from before.
It was only in 2009 when we began to see what Hoya wants from Pentax. And things are going upwards.

asdf · 01-19-2010, 06:01 AM

Originally posted by Kunzite

You say it as it is Hoya's fault... but the truth is, they're back in the game - and it's with the products Hoya supervised.
Also, the K-x started selling when, exactly? It's not "just one month", it's a successful product. It can't sell 4 times better than that Panasonic, though, in order to put Pentax on the 3rd place for the whole year.

Maybe, it's Samsung's fault.

2008 was the year of Samsung-Pentax, a disaster for Pentax. They put a Sony sensor back in there--suddenly, they're selling cameras (or rather, a camera), again.

julia · 01-19-2010, 06:19 AM

Originally posted by asdf

Maybe, it's Samsung's fault.

2008 was the year of Samsung-Pentax, a disaster for Pentax. They put a Sony sensor back in there--suddenly, they're selling cameras (or rather, a camera), again.

agree, Japanese people are proud of their brand.
that's why Pentax accept Hoya, not Samsung (even Samsung has a lot of $$$).

01-18-2010, 06:18 PM	#33
Samsungian Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Colorado USA Posts: 1,337	Is Japan #1 market for Dslr sales? Is Japan #1 market for Dslr sales? If not, then why does the one country statistic matter? Why is Japan such an important statistic? Pentax makes no cameras or lenses in Japan now. Hoya Ceo said making equiptment in Japan is "stupid". So I don't get why Japan Sales statistics matter. Accelerating Factory Exodus Guts Japan Manufacturing Center - Bloomberg.com >>>" The Pentax factory peaked in the 1970s, with 1,500 workers making 35-millimeter, single-lens reflex cameras. Hoya’s Hamada moved all camera production offshore helping the company’s Pentax division to return to profit with operating income of 1.19 billion yen last quarter. Continuing to manufacture in Japan was “stupid,” according to Hamada. <<<" Hoya bought out Pentax on April 2008 and proceeded to slash and shutter production in Japan and elsewhere. 2007 was the last time Pentax appeared in top three sales in Japan. See chart below, see link below... I don't get why Japan is so important yet bought only 11% of 2009 Global interchangeable lens camera production. Japanese buyers are eagerly buying m4/3 now. So I guess that means everyone outside of Japan's home market will buy m4/3 systems now, right??? >>>" Japanese Market share for cameras with interchangeable lenses 1 place (share) 2nd (share) 3rd (Shared) 2009 Canon (39.1%) Nikon (31.3%) Panasonic (8.7%) 2008 Canon (40.1%) Nikon (39.9%) Sony (9.2%) 2007 Nikon (43.8%) Canon (40.0%) Pentax (5.8%) 2006 Canon (44.6%) Nikon (33.6%) Pentax (9.2%) 2005 Canon (52.1%) Nikon (29.3%) Pentax (7.3%) Thanks to MicroFourThirds Panasonic gained the third place! It is also interesting to see how much Nikon lost. I didn’t expect that. <<<" Japanese Top 3 brand for the year 2009! Originally posted by nosnoop What's your point and why do you have to post the same info twice? Japan is still one of the largest market for a single country. Maybe not the top market, but definitely one of the more important market, especially as a guidance for product planning, research and development. Last edited by Samsungian; 01-18-2010 at 06:29 PM.

01-18-2010, 11:56 PM	#35
supero Inactive Account Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: china gz Posts: 6	Originally posted by Clicker I wonder how Pentax does in China? Canon is basically the leader over there. kx is very popular in china too, many dslr begainner compare kx to d90 and 500d. for its high iso and other interesting special features,the most is its low price（the price of kits is just a little more than half of d90`s）. the forums of kx is the most hottest catalog . Last edited by supero; 01-19-2010 at 12:11 AM.

01-19-2010, 04:17 AM	#39
Samsungian Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Colorado USA Posts: 1,337	This thread celebrates K-x 3rd place in just one month victory This thread celebrates K-x 3rd place sales in just one month victory in Japan. Prior to Hoya buyout of Pentax Corporation in 2008, Pentax sat in 3rd place for 3 years in a row in Japan, 2005, 2006, 2007. That's 3rd Place in total sales for entire year, not for just one month. Panasonic sits in 3rd place for entire year of 2009 in Japan. Sony took 3rd place in 2008. Last edited by Samsungian; 01-19-2010 at 04:27 AM.

01-19-2010, 05:17 AM	#41
Samsungian Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Colorado USA Posts: 1,337	Hoya's fault? Hoya's Fault? Well Prior to their takeover of Pentax, Pentax had better market position in 2005 and 2006 and 2007 in Japan. Since Hoya buyout of Pentax, Pentax failed to place in top 3 annual sales in Japan Homemarket. Here's a fun link, Monthly sales of digital cameras and digital cameras with interchangeable lenses from Aug 2001 thru November 2009 broken down into various areas around the globe: CIPA:Digital Cameras

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01-16-2010, 03:49 PM	#31
redrockcoulee Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Medicine Hat Posts: 2,306	Originally posted by kevinschoenmakers You forgot the scientists on Antarctica. Actually I did think about them but decided that they probably would purchase them before they went to Antarctica rather than trying to obtain them locally.

01-18-2010, 03:26 PM	#32
nosnoop Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 1,299	Originally posted by Samsungian In 2009 Japan accounted for ONLY 11% of total dslr sales. Who bought the other 89% of Dslrs made in 2009? What's your point and why do you have to post the same info twice? Japan is still one of the largest market for a single country. Maybe not the top market, but definitely one of the more important market, especially as a guidance for product planning, research and development.

01-18-2010, 06:33 PM	#34
Rondec Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Gladys, Virginia Photos: Gallery Posts: 27,653	Well, just consider that Japan has a population of 127 million people, give or take a few hundred thousand. The world population is currently 6.7 billion, give or take a few hundred million. That means that a specific 1.8 percent of the world's population bought 11 percent of the SLRs sold last year. You certainly wouldn't find per capita numbers like that in any other country. In other words, it can be a pretty good microcosm of where things are headed. And what the rest of your numbers have to do with anything, I haven't the foggiest idea. A lot of things we buy are made in countries like Vietnam and China. That has nothing to do with anything as long as quality controls are in place and high enough.

01-19-2010, 01:10 AM	#36
julia Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Shizuoka-ken Posts: 130	Originally posted by nosnoop What's your point and why do you have to post the same info twice? Japan is still one of the largest market for a single country. Maybe not the top market, but definitely one of the more important market, especially as a guidance for product planning, research and development. Originally posted by Samsungian Is Japan #1 market for Dslr sales? ..... not #1, but true one of the more important market. just for example in Japan, I have 2 best friends using Canon gear (not Japanese), working as a factory worker (labor). they can spend $800-$2000 for 1 "L" lens, each one have 3-4 "L" lenses along with 5D and 1Ds. me? I'm only a student Japanese ??? don't ask, 645D will be affordable for a retired Japanese. that's why Japan is definitely one of the more important market.

01-19-2010, 01:42 AM	#37
kevinschoenmakers Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Shanghai Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,509 Original Poster	Originally posted by Samsungian Is Japan #1 market for Dslr sales? If not, then why does the one country statistic matter? Why is Japan such an important statistic? Man are you obnoxious. The USA is not the biggest market for cars, but it still matters what kind of cars Americans want to buy.

01-19-2010, 03:59 AM	#38
gazonk Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Oslo area, Norway Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,746	Originally posted by Rondec Well, just consider that Japan has a population of 127 million people, give or take a few hundred thousand. The world population is currently 6.7 billion, give or take a few hundred million. That means that a specific 1.8 percent of the world's population bought 11 percent of the SLRs sold last year. You certainly wouldn't find per capita numbers like that in any other country. Yes you would - here in Norway: Pressemelding fra Fotorådet / IKT-Norge: Økt salg av avanserte speilreflekskameraer - IKT Norge 47000 DSLRs sold in the first half of 2009. Not sure how may were sold world-wide, but this page gives a number of 9.7 million for 2008, and an estimate of 8-8.5 million for 2009. Let's say they were a little pessimistic, so we'll guesstimate 4.7 million for the first half of 2009. This makes the Norwegian market 1% of the world market, with only 0.07% of the world population. So the Norwegian per capita numbers are 2.3 times the japanese!

01-19-2010, 04:30 AM	#40
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	You say it as it is Hoya's fault... but the truth is, they're back in the game - and it's with the products Hoya supervised. Also, the K-x started selling when, exactly? It's not "just one month", it's a successful product. It can't sell 4 times better than that Panasonic, though, in order to put Pentax on the 3rd place for the whole year.

01-19-2010, 05:24 AM	#42
Rondec Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Gladys, Virginia Photos: Gallery Posts: 27,653	Pentax had dug themselves into a hole. The only way that they could get people to buy their products was by selling them for at or below cost. In fact, their camera division was bleeding all over the place and the only part of their business maintaining was the medical division. At least Hoya has given them a plan (do you remember a roadmap full of undelivered lenses?) and some money for R and D. I don't love Hoya's methods, but Pentax as a camera company was sinking fast before they came along.

01-19-2010, 05:33 AM	#43
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Samsungian, that's a very superficial view - just after the takeover, Hoya couldn't possible cancel what Pentax was doing and start with a new strategy. Yes, it's possible the takeover delayed their plans and affected sales (and some people were worried about their future). But Pentax lost market share with Pentax-planned&developed products, following the Pentax strategy from before. It was only in 2009 when we began to see what Hoya wants from Pentax. And things are going upwards.

01-19-2010, 06:01 AM	#44
asdf Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Canada Posts: 1,252	Originally posted by Kunzite You say it as it is Hoya's fault... but the truth is, they're back in the game - and it's with the products Hoya supervised. Also, the K-x started selling when, exactly? It's not "just one month", it's a successful product. It can't sell 4 times better than that Panasonic, though, in order to put Pentax on the 3rd place for the whole year. Maybe, it's Samsung's fault. 2008 was the year of Samsung-Pentax, a disaster for Pentax. They put a Sony sensor back in there--suddenly, they're selling cameras (or rather, a camera), again.

01-19-2010, 06:19 AM	#45
julia Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Shizuoka-ken Posts: 130	Originally posted by asdf Maybe, it's Samsung's fault. 2008 was the year of Samsung-Pentax, a disaster for Pentax. They put a Sony sensor back in there--suddenly, they're selling cameras (or rather, a camera), again. agree, Japanese people are proud of their brand. that's why Pentax accept Hoya, not Samsung (even Samsung has a lot of $$$).