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01-20-2010, 11:24 AM   #16
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Can't get enough of Gary's and PentaxPoke's cynicism.
Yes, I admit you are right. My experiences with my DA* lenses have made me somewhat cynical about them. I have come around to Gary's line of thinking: No more fanboy! I'm callin' it like I see it.

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$100 for a new lens or 16% more ... i'd go the new one. I live by the 'used price needs to be 75% of new" rule.

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The prices you see on Amazon that are above $1000 are sold by 3rd parties and not directly by Amazon.

This morning I received a Gold Box offer through Amazon for this lens at $707.70 and don't know whether I should jump on it. They currently don't have it in stock, but at that price it's tempting. I've been observing sold 16-50mm's on eBay and they've been sold anywhere from $610-620 not counting shipping costs.

Is it worth it to pay $700 for brand new? Of course it would be warrantied which you don't get with used copies.
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Yes, I admit you are right. My experiences with my DA* lenses have made me somewhat cynical about them. I have come around to Gary's line of thinking: No more fanboy! I'm callin' it like I see it.
It's all good.
Enough people have been burnt by DA* issues that Pentax really does have to change its attitude about the lenses.

And being a photography company by photographers for photographers, I'd expect that internally at least there is an impetus to drive some serious changes for their DA* lineup.
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$100 for a new lens or 16% more ... i'd go the new one. I live by the 'used price needs to be 75% of new" rule.
I think I've come to a similar conclusion. In any case, I have until tonight to think about it, since Gold Box deals expire in 24 hours...

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QuoteOriginally posted by einstrigger Quote
The prices you see on Amazon that are above $1000 are sold by 3rd parties and not directly by Amazon.

This morning I received a Gold Box offer through Amazon for this lens at $707.70 and don't know whether I should jump on it. They currently don't have it in stock, but at that price it's tempting. I've been observing sold 16-50mm's on eBay and they've been sold anywhere from $610-620 not counting shipping costs.

Is it worth it to pay $700 for brand new? Of course it would be warrantied which you don't get with used copies.

$700 is definitely a great price for brand new. I bought my 16-50 in July of 2008 for the same price - and that was before all the increases. So far, I've been lucky with the lens. But I have a 16-45 as a back up just in case.
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Probably to cover the cost of repairing/replacing those lenses with SDM failure.
Are new 16-50s still having SDM failures?
01-20-2010, 05:18 PM   #22
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I placed an order last week as my small lens with a new pentax body and advised not available in Aust. until April. Now a little concerned as will be starting a 3 mth O/seas trip mid May.
Hey mate Greetings from downunder in NZ. Just letting you know I bought a *18-50 from Adorrama as part of a large purchase including the *300.
Ordered online on the 5th of Jan 2010 using the best FedX service, and it was picked up once I'd payed 12.5% customs, 7 days latter. thats right 7 days. Fantastic service and the savings are just huge. US $ weak @ moment.
So dont worry, Just order through Adorama. But Use the most expensive frieghting service ($100) the tracking features are Sweet.
Its a big lens though, i'm not used to it. Love my K7 with my F50 1.7.
But the big news for me is how wonderful the *300 is to use, love it.
Also bought a Gitzo carbon monopod, and a rode microphone. And a 77mm pol filter. MMM pressies for my k7.
Oh yeah dont drink a bottle of red wine then go online shopping haha

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QuoteOriginally posted by CWyatt Quote
Are new 16-50s still having SDM failures?
New 50-135's are. I can't speak about the 16-50. It has been a while since I had one.

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Any SDM lens is prone to a failure.
Problem is no-one knows which one will fail and when...
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Gregoire made an interesting point regarding Bayes Theorem and his findings on the 16-50mm serial no.'s.

His stat analysis shows that you have a 90% chance of getting a good copy if the 4th digit of the serial no. is a 0, 1, or 2.

Check the last page of the 16-50mm DA* sticky thread.

Thanks Gregoire!
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Maybe Pentax cannabilised its remaining stock to fix the rest of 'em, and now have run out.

Hopefully, it'll send them right back to the drawing board, so maybe we'll see a completely new flagship lens.

Good lord, the amount of failures were utterly unacceptable for a so-called flagship lens.

Maybe the next one'll be D-FA...

*runs like the dickens*
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QuoteOriginally posted by esman7 Quote
Gregoire made an interesting point regarding Bayes Theorem and his findings on the 16-50mm serial no.'s.

His stat analysis shows that you have a 90% chance of getting a good copy if the 4th digit of the serial no. is a 0, 1, or 2.

Check the last page of the 16-50mm DA* sticky thread.

Thanks Gregoire!
Perhaps an indication of earlier models being more prone to failure (if this is a true phenomenon)...
The first 2,000 (then from 10,000-12,000 and so forth) are implicated in the theory, but one can hazard to guess that the first 2,000 may be responsible for the large number of failures?

Seems a little far-fetched, but hey, better hypothesis than none, eh?...
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QuoteOriginally posted by Ash Quote
Perhaps an indication of earlier models being more prone to failure (if this is a true phenomenon)...
The first 2,000 (then from 10,000-12,000 and so forth) are implicated in the theory, but one can hazard to guess that the first 2,000 may be responsible for the large number of failures?

Seems a little far-fetched, but hey, better hypothesis than none, eh?...
Could be plausible. I wonder if something similar happened with the 50-135. Unfortunately, we don't have a serial number thread for that.
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Might be a good idea now seeing that the SDM issues with the 50-135 are coming out of the woodwork.
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Can't get enough of Gary's and PentaxPoke's cynicism.
All the while, I'm enjoying the beauty of the results I get from my own *working* copy.
Just saw your post you little shit.

I can't speak for PentaxPoke but I'm just being realistic and practical.
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