Pentax to announce Optio H90 & Optio I-10 cameras

ogl · 01-26-2010, 03:37 AM

Originally posted by creampuff

Read the Press Release: PENTAX Optio I-10 An eye-catching SLR-shaped digital compact camera, packaging a host of advanced features in a compact, lightweight body

As for me, it's some kind of mockery of marketing department at intelligent photo-amateur. The profanation.

dopeytree · 01-26-2010, 04:35 AM

I think if they'd have made the lens a little faster maybe f/3.5 or idealy 2.8 through out the whole range then it'd be a much more interesting camera.

It'd be cool if it came with a f/2.8 24mm lens and then you could buy a little screw on telephoto lens say 85mm but meh it won't happen.

RMabo · 01-26-2010, 05:12 AM

Widest aperture is f/3.5 at the wide end and f/5.9 at the tele end. That is quite decent for a 28-140 (in 24x36 terms) lens.

ogl · 01-26-2010, 05:30 AM

Originally posted by RMabo

Widest aperture is f/3.5 at the wide end and f/5.9 at the tele end. That is quite decent for a 28-140 (in 24x36 terms) lens.

Please, no any PR of boring P&S.

Supernaut · 01-26-2010, 06:02 AM

Canon S90 has f/2.0 at the wide end and a 1/1.7" sensor.
Now, that's something to wrap in a retro shell and make "special".

Art Vandelay II · 01-26-2010, 07:47 AM

Originally posted by RMabo

Widest aperture is f/3.5 at the wide end and f/5.9 at the tele end. That is quite decent for a 28-140 (in 24x36 terms) lens.

In 24x36 terms I'd call that average, not decent. Decent would be f/3.5-4.5 for a 28-140mm (Sony/Minolta had a 24-120mm f/3.5-4.5). However to get any sort of DOF control at all with these small sensor cameras you have to have f/2 or faster. And even that won't give you any real background separation unless you are doing macro. Of course on a 1/2.3 sensor an f/1 lens might not even yield background separation.

Background separation aside (I know not everyone cares about DOF as much as me) f/3.5-5.9 also means you'd have to shoot higher up in the ISO range more often then not just for simple landscapes and snapshots, and as we all know any time one of these cameras ventures above ISO200 then you have a serious problem.

Oh well, this camera obviously isn't for us, we wouldn't even be talking about it if it didn't look cool. I'm going to do my best to forget about it now

Alfisti · 01-26-2010, 08:03 AM

Originally posted by Supernaut

Canon S90 has f/2.0 at the wide end and a 1/1.7" sensor.
Now, that's something to wrap in a retro shell and make "special".

That's what staggers me, whata waste of nice styling and the 110 name.

For shame!

ogl · 01-26-2010, 08:04 AM

Originally posted by Supernaut

Canon S90 has f/2.0 at the wide end and a 1/1.7" sensor.
Now, that's something to wrap in a retro shell and make "special".

Really good camera. Good IQ.

Not bad for P&S camera.
http://a.img-dpreview.com/gallery/canons90_preview/originals/img_0046.jpg

GerryL · 01-26-2010, 09:25 AM

Originally posted by creampuff

Read the Press Release: PENTAX Optio I-10 An eye-catching SLR-shaped digital compact camera, packaging a host of advanced features in a compact, lightweight body

The styling would suggest it's kinda targeted for ladies, don't you think?
Would you be caught with one with that "stylish" case cum strap?

GerryL · 01-26-2010, 09:30 AM

Originally posted by gazonk

The W80 is not only weather-sealed, you can dive to 5 meters with it. I've had the W10 for 3,5 years, it's great fun on the beach and in the pool. My daughter got the W80 for christmas, and it takes significantly better pictures than the W10 as long as you stay at ISO 400 or below (which is one step better than the W10, but I wish they could make it usable at ISO 800 at least).

I just bought a W80 from Adorama, they're selling it for $149+.
A good deal, I must say as it comes with the floating strap too as described.
I hope I get a good copy as I hear there are some bad copies out there.
I would hate to return it to Adorama for a replacement, but knowing Adorama's good customer service, I'm not at all fazed.
I hope I get it soon so I can play with it!

Urkeldaedalus · 01-26-2010, 10:13 AM

Originally posted by GerryL

The styling would suggest it's kinda targeted for ladies, don't you think?
Would you be caught with one with that "stylish" case cum strap?

That thought crossed my mind when I saw the styling as well. I wish there was a little more substance to go with the style, though. If you market stylish products to women and then don't back that up with performance, it's almost like you're saying you don't quite respect them as a consumer group. On the other hand, I'm sure they have marketing data that persuaded them that this camera might sell well, so we'll see what happens.

Anyway, I think it is a step forward in the sense that the style is really eye grabbing. I'll hold out hope that eventually they'll come out with a P&S that can rival models from Panasonic, Canon and Ricoh.

dnaseigel · 01-26-2010, 11:07 AM

Originally posted by GerryL

I just bought a W80 from Adorama, they're selling it for $149+.
A good deal, I must say as it comes with the floating strap too as described.
I hope I get a good copy as I hear there are some bad copies out there.
I would hate to return it to Adorama for a replacement, but knowing Adorama's good customer service, I'm not at all fazed.
I hope I get it soon so I can play with it!

How on earth did you get the $149 price? I just went through the W80s and added them to the cart to get the price and the lowest I saw was $192 and change. That's a price I can reconcile, but $149?

Pentaxor · 01-26-2010, 12:54 PM

Originally posted by ogl

Really good camera. Good IQ.

Not bad for P&S camera.
http://a.img-dpreview.com/gallery/canons90_preview/originals/img_0046.jpg

how bout the RICOH GR III (f1.9) with 1/1.7 sensor or the much bigger sensor SIGMA DP1s (bigger than micro 4/3) but f4 ? but I think both cameras will cancel each other out due to speed to sensor size compensation. basing from the reviews, there's a lot of positive comments on the GR III, but on a personal note and basing on the sample images presented, the DP1s looks better. I believe the things that appeal more for people on the GR III is it's user-friendly menus and is packed with useful features, unlike the DP1s which appears to lack some sort of features that make it look more limiting.

what is intriguing though is the slide interchangeable sensor lens RICOH GXR. which can be transformed from 1/1.7 to an APS-C small and portable P&S camera.

jogiba · 01-26-2010, 05:45 PM

Originally posted by Supernaut

Canon S90 has f/2.0 at the wide end and a 1/1.7" sensor.
Now, that's something to wrap in a retro shell and make "special".

The Canon S90 is 28mm @F2.0 but the Panasonic Lumix DMC-LX3 is a wider 24mm @ F2.0 and does 1280x720 HD video were the Canon S90 max is 640x480 video.

ogl · 01-26-2010, 09:22 PM

Originally posted by Pentaxor

how bout the RICOH GR III (f1.9) with 1/1.7 sensor

As for me, Ricoh has worse IQ.

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01-26-2010, 03:37 AM	#76
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	Originally posted by creampuff Read the Press Release: PENTAX Optio I-10 An eye-catching SLR-shaped digital compact camera, packaging a host of advanced features in a compact, lightweight body As for me, it's some kind of mockery of marketing department at intelligent photo-amateur. The profanation.

01-26-2010, 04:35 AM	#77
dopeytree Veteran Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Somerset, UK Photos: Gallery Posts: 619 Original Poster	I think if they'd have made the lens a little faster maybe f/3.5 or idealy 2.8 through out the whole range then it'd be a much more interesting camera. It'd be cool if it came with a f/2.8 24mm lens and then you could buy a little screw on telephoto lens say 85mm but meh it won't happen.

01-26-2010, 05:12 AM	#78
RMabo Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Sweden Posts: 845	Widest aperture is f/3.5 at the wide end and f/5.9 at the tele end. That is quite decent for a 28-140 (in 24x36 terms) lens.

01-26-2010, 05:30 AM	#79
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	Originally posted by RMabo Widest aperture is f/3.5 at the wide end and f/5.9 at the tele end. That is quite decent for a 28-140 (in 24x36 terms) lens. Please, no any PR of boring P&S.

01-26-2010, 06:02 AM	#80
Supernaut Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: West Coast , Sweden Posts: 467	Canon S90 has f/2.0 at the wide end and a 1/1.7" sensor. Now, that's something to wrap in a retro shell and make "special".

01-26-2010, 07:47 AM	#81
Art Vandelay II Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Charlotte, NC Photos: Gallery Posts: 886	Originally posted by RMabo Widest aperture is f/3.5 at the wide end and f/5.9 at the tele end. That is quite decent for a 28-140 (in 24x36 terms) lens. In 24x36 terms I'd call that average, not decent. Decent would be f/3.5-4.5 for a 28-140mm (Sony/Minolta had a 24-120mm f/3.5-4.5). However to get any sort of DOF control at all with these small sensor cameras you have to have f/2 or faster. And even that won't give you any real background separation unless you are doing macro. Of course on a 1/2.3 sensor an f/1 lens might not even yield background separation. Background separation aside (I know not everyone cares about DOF as much as me) f/3.5-5.9 also means you'd have to shoot higher up in the ISO range more often then not just for simple landscapes and snapshots, and as we all know any time one of these cameras ventures above ISO200 then you have a serious problem. Oh well, this camera obviously isn't for us, we wouldn't even be talking about it if it didn't look cool. I'm going to do my best to forget about it now

01-26-2010, 08:03 AM	#82
Alfisti Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Toronto (for now) Posts: 1,748	Originally posted by Supernaut Canon S90 has f/2.0 at the wide end and a 1/1.7" sensor. Now, that's something to wrap in a retro shell and make "special". That's what staggers me, whata waste of nice styling and the 110 name. For shame!

01-26-2010, 08:04 AM	#83
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	Originally posted by Supernaut Canon S90 has f/2.0 at the wide end and a 1/1.7" sensor. Now, that's something to wrap in a retro shell and make "special". Really good camera. Good IQ. Not bad for P&S camera. http://a.img-dpreview.com/gallery/canons90_preview/originals/img_0046.jpg

01-26-2010, 09:25 AM	#84
GerryL Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: CA Posts: 2,731	Originally posted by creampuff Read the Press Release: PENTAX Optio I-10 An eye-catching SLR-shaped digital compact camera, packaging a host of advanced features in a compact, lightweight body The styling would suggest it's kinda targeted for ladies, don't you think? Would you be caught with one with that "stylish" case cum strap?

01-26-2010, 09:30 AM	#85
GerryL Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: CA Posts: 2,731	Originally posted by gazonk The W80 is not only weather-sealed, you can dive to 5 meters with it. I've had the W10 for 3,5 years, it's great fun on the beach and in the pool. My daughter got the W80 for christmas, and it takes significantly better pictures than the W10 as long as you stay at ISO 400 or below (which is one step better than the W10, but I wish they could make it usable at ISO 800 at least). I just bought a W80 from Adorama, they're selling it for $149+. A good deal, I must say as it comes with the floating strap too as described. I hope I get a good copy as I hear there are some bad copies out there. I would hate to return it to Adorama for a replacement, but knowing Adorama's good customer service, I'm not at all fazed. I hope I get it soon so I can play with it!

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01-26-2010, 10:13 AM	#86
Urkeldaedalus Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Iowa Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,369	Originally posted by GerryL The styling would suggest it's kinda targeted for ladies, don't you think? Would you be caught with one with that "stylish" case cum strap? That thought crossed my mind when I saw the styling as well. I wish there was a little more substance to go with the style, though. If you market stylish products to women and then don't back that up with performance, it's almost like you're saying you don't quite respect them as a consumer group. On the other hand, I'm sure they have marketing data that persuaded them that this camera might sell well, so we'll see what happens. Anyway, I think it is a step forward in the sense that the style is really eye grabbing. I'll hold out hope that eventually they'll come out with a P&S that can rival models from Panasonic, Canon and Ricoh.

01-26-2010, 11:07 AM	#87
dnaseigel Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Rockford, IL Photos: Gallery Posts: 179	Originally posted by GerryL I just bought a W80 from Adorama, they're selling it for $149+. A good deal, I must say as it comes with the floating strap too as described. I hope I get a good copy as I hear there are some bad copies out there. I would hate to return it to Adorama for a replacement, but knowing Adorama's good customer service, I'm not at all fazed. I hope I get it soon so I can play with it! How on earth did you get the $149 price? I just went through the W80s and added them to the cart to get the price and the lowest I saw was $192 and change. That's a price I can reconcile, but $149?

01-26-2010, 12:54 PM	#88
Pentaxor Veteran Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Vancouver, B.C. Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,513	Originally posted by ogl Really good camera. Good IQ. Not bad for P&S camera. http://a.img-dpreview.com/gallery/canons90_preview/originals/img_0046.jpg how bout the RICOH GR III (f1.9) with 1/1.7 sensor or the much bigger sensor SIGMA DP1s (bigger than micro 4/3) but f4 ? but I think both cameras will cancel each other out due to speed to sensor size compensation. basing from the reviews, there's a lot of positive comments on the GR III, but on a personal note and basing on the sample images presented, the DP1s looks better. I believe the things that appeal more for people on the GR III is it's user-friendly menus and is packed with useful features, unlike the DP1s which appears to lack some sort of features that make it look more limiting. what is intriguing though is the slide interchangeable sensor lens RICOH GXR. which can be transformed from 1/1.7 to an APS-C small and portable P&S camera.

01-26-2010, 05:45 PM	#89
jogiba Banned Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Millstone,NJ Posts: 6,491	Originally posted by Supernaut Canon S90 has f/2.0 at the wide end and a 1/1.7" sensor. Now, that's something to wrap in a retro shell and make "special". The Canon S90 is 28mm @F2.0 but the Panasonic Lumix DMC-LX3 is a wider 24mm @ F2.0 and does 1280x720 HD video were the Canon S90 max is 640x480 video.

01-26-2010, 09:22 PM	#90
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	Originally posted by Pentaxor how bout the RICOH GR III (f1.9) with 1/1.7 sensor As for me, Ricoh has worse IQ.