Finally, a digital 110

Erik · 01-26-2010, 02:05 AM

Originally posted by ogl

No top-compact camera in Pentax system.

Good thing too as it shows Hoya is not suicidal; the "enthusiast compact" made sense in 2003 but is now a dying breed and a miniscule market anyway. Who pays $450 for a small-sensor compact with a slow zoom lens with the current wave of $400 DSLR kits and m4/3 cameras that are barely larger than a G11 or LX3?

ogl · 01-26-2010, 02:24 AM

Anyway. A-serie has no replacement.

E90 is low price. I-10 is retro look. H90 is ???

The shelves of photo-shops are full of P&S cameras, but nothing to choose.
I have Optio S10 with 10MP@1/1.8" - good IQ for P&S camera at low ISO. Rather good AF and AF assist lamp.

ddhytz · 01-26-2010, 02:54 AM

I like it, nice looking.

gazonk · 01-26-2010, 03:25 AM

Originally posted by Erik

Shoot it downsampled to 3 MP and chances are it will be acceptable, but 12 MP is a bad marketing joke and nothing else.

It all depends on which ISO you use. This test shot from the Pentax P70 @ISO 100 definitely has more detail than you'd get at 3MP...

Digital Cameras, Pentax Optio P70 Digital Camera Test Image

ogl · 01-26-2010, 03:31 AM

Originally posted by ddhytz

I like it, nice looking.

It's ordinary marketing and POPS.
When ALL manufactureres try to compensate "miserable filling" of camera with face and form of camera. Put on make-up.
As for me, it's some kind of mockery of marketing department at intelligent photo-amateur. The profanation.

**RuiC** · 01-26-2010, 03:38 AM

Originally posted by Art Vandelay II

As one of those people that have begged for a Digital LX, if this is a their interpretation of a digital Auto 110 then I'll just stick with my film LX for now. The I-10 may look cool, so I guess it would make a nice piece of geek jewelery, but I have no desire to actually take photos with it.

Agreed

Erik · 01-26-2010, 04:08 AM

Originally posted by gazonk

It all depends on which ISO you use. This test shot from the Pentax P70 @ISO 100 definitely has more detail than you'd get at 3MP...

Digital Cameras, Pentax Optio P70 Digital Camera Test Image

It does, barely, (invisible at normal print sizes without doubt) but that is ISO 100. At 400 it would undoubtedly look worse, with less detail than a 3MP camera. A 6MP small-sensor camera will outperform a 12MP one at any given ISO (excepting, MAYBE, base ISO, but even then the difference is slight enough to be negligible)

Downsampled to 3MP then upsampled

Downsampled to 6MP then upsampled

Original, 12 MP

I challenge anyone who doubts this to print the 12MP original image and a 6MP downsampled-then-upsampled version to A3 format or larger and try to spot the difference. There is almost no meaningful information there, and this is HALF the size of the captured data.

Putting a 12, or worse, 14 MP chip in a compact camera is a fraud. It comes with nothing but disadvantages -- slower operation, larger files, lenses performing worse because of diffraction setting in earlier, much worse ISO performance... I don't think there is one conceivable situation in which it would mean a real world advantage.

gazonk · 01-26-2010, 04:35 AM

Originally posted by Erik

It does, barely, (invisible at normal print sizes without doubt) but that is ISO 100. At 400 it would undoubtedly look worse, with less detail than a 3MP camera. A 6MP small-sensor camera will outperform a 12MP one at any given ISO (excepting, MAYBE, base ISO, but even then the difference is slight enough to be negligible)
.

in theory, yes. But nobody makes those sensors! My daughter's new W80 probably has the same 12.1 mp sensor, and it's superior to the 6mp sensor of my 4 year old W10. I'd say one stop better at high iso. Even viewed at 100% it has less noise.

Erik · 01-26-2010, 05:22 AM

Originally posted by gazonk

in theory, yes. But nobody makes those sensors!

I wish they would, you know?

grainbelt · 01-26-2010, 06:40 AM

F3.5 -5.9 aperture? I'm out.

If it were F2 or F2.8 over a larger range, like the LX3 or S90, I'd think about it.

**RuiC** · 01-26-2010, 07:13 AM

Originally posted by Asahiflex

I find it most remarkable that the old Pentax logo is back on the I-10.

The last logo, as used on the K-7 and K-x:

The old logo, as on the Auto 110 and many more of the older SLR's:

The old logo, back on the I-10:

Is this a sign of the future models? I can easily see an EVIL camera with approximately the same looks as the I-10. If it follows the same outline then I'm sure they will sell shitloads of them.

I prefer the old logo to the latest.

brofkand · 01-26-2010, 07:58 AM

That I-10 is one good looking camera. I am in the market for a good P&S camera. Any word when the cameras will be released? And, once the camera is released, when will it be reviewed?

CharlieO · 01-26-2010, 05:46 PM

I hate to say this but the Kodak Z915 already had the retro look to some extent. It has been on the market for a while. Of course, it isn't a Pentax. Check out the B&H website.

Kodak | EasyShare Z915 Digital Camera (Black) | 8112708 | B&H

brofkand · 01-26-2010, 05:50 PM

Kodak just released the Slice, which looks just like their old DISC cameras on the front:

KODAK SLICE Touchscreen Camera

MRRiley · 01-26-2010, 06:03 PM

Now THAT little camera might actually get me to buy a P&S again... wish it used the AUTO110 lenses though...

01-26-2010, 02:54 AM	#33
ddhytz Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Melbourne Posts: 602	I like it, nice looking. Last edited by ddhytz; 02-03-2010 at 08:44 PM.

01-26-2010, 03:31 AM	#35
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	Originally posted by ddhytz I like it, nice looking. It's ordinary marketing and POPS. When ALL manufactureres try to compensate "miserable filling" of camera with face and form of camera. Put on make-up. As for me, it's some kind of mockery of marketing department at intelligent photo-amateur. The profanation. Last edited by ogl; 01-26-2010 at 03:38 AM.

01-26-2010, 05:46 PM	#43
CharlieO Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Havana, Kansas Photos: Gallery Posts: 43	Kind of looks like the Kodak Z915 I hate to say this but the Kodak Z915 already had the retro look to some extent. It has been on the market for a while. Of course, it isn't a Pentax. Check out the B&H website. Kodak \| EasyShare Z915 Digital Camera (Black) \| 8112708 \| B&H

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01-26-2010, 02:05 AM	#31
Erik Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Umeå, Sweden Posts: 755	Originally posted by ogl No top-compact camera in Pentax system. Good thing too as it shows Hoya is not suicidal; the "enthusiast compact" made sense in 2003 but is now a dying breed and a miniscule market anyway. Who pays $450 for a small-sensor compact with a slow zoom lens with the current wave of $400 DSLR kits and m4/3 cameras that are barely larger than a G11 or LX3?

01-26-2010, 02:24 AM	#32
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	Anyway. A-serie has no replacement. E90 is low price. I-10 is retro look. H90 is ??? The shelves of photo-shops are full of P&S cameras, but nothing to choose. I have Optio S10 with 10MP@1/1.8" - good IQ for P&S camera at low ISO. Rather good AF and AF assist lamp.

01-26-2010, 03:25 AM	#34
gazonk Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Oslo area, Norway Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,746	Originally posted by Erik Shoot it downsampled to 3 MP and chances are it will be acceptable, but 12 MP is a bad marketing joke and nothing else. It all depends on which ISO you use. This test shot from the Pentax P70 @ISO 100 definitely has more detail than you'd get at 3MP... Digital Cameras, Pentax Optio P70 Digital Camera Test Image

01-26-2010, 03:38 AM	#36
RuiC Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Lisboa - The best destination in Europe Posts: 633	Originally posted by Art Vandelay II As one of those people that have begged for a Digital LX, if this is a their interpretation of a digital Auto 110 then I'll just stick with my film LX for now. The I-10 may look cool, so I guess it would make a nice piece of geek jewelery, but I have no desire to actually take photos with it. Agreed

01-26-2010, 04:08 AM	#37
Erik Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Umeå, Sweden Posts: 755	Originally posted by gazonk It all depends on which ISO you use. This test shot from the Pentax P70 @ISO 100 definitely has more detail than you'd get at 3MP... Digital Cameras, Pentax Optio P70 Digital Camera Test Image It does, barely, (invisible at normal print sizes without doubt) but that is ISO 100. At 400 it would undoubtedly look worse, with less detail than a 3MP camera. A 6MP small-sensor camera will outperform a 12MP one at any given ISO (excepting, MAYBE, base ISO, but even then the difference is slight enough to be negligible) Downsampled to 3MP then upsampled Downsampled to 6MP then upsampled Original, 12 MP I challenge anyone who doubts this to print the 12MP original image and a 6MP downsampled-then-upsampled version to A3 format or larger and try to spot the difference. There is almost no meaningful information there, and this is HALF the size of the captured data. Putting a 12, or worse, 14 MP chip in a compact camera is a fraud. It comes with nothing but disadvantages -- slower operation, larger files, lenses performing worse because of diffraction setting in earlier, much worse ISO performance... I don't think there is one conceivable situation in which it would mean a real world advantage.

01-26-2010, 04:35 AM	#38
gazonk Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Oslo area, Norway Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,746	Originally posted by Erik It does, barely, (invisible at normal print sizes without doubt) but that is ISO 100. At 400 it would undoubtedly look worse, with less detail than a 3MP camera. A 6MP small-sensor camera will outperform a 12MP one at any given ISO (excepting, MAYBE, base ISO, but even then the difference is slight enough to be negligible) . in theory, yes. But nobody makes those sensors! My daughter's new W80 probably has the same 12.1 mp sensor, and it's superior to the 6mp sensor of my 4 year old W10. I'd say one stop better at high iso. Even viewed at 100% it has less noise.

01-26-2010, 05:22 AM	#39
Erik Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Umeå, Sweden Posts: 755	Originally posted by gazonk in theory, yes. But nobody makes those sensors! I wish they would, you know?

01-26-2010, 06:40 AM	#40
grainbelt Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Minneapolis Photos: Albums Posts: 587	F3.5 -5.9 aperture? I'm out. If it were F2 or F2.8 over a larger range, like the LX3 or S90, I'd think about it.

01-26-2010, 07:13 AM	#41
RuiC Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Lisboa - The best destination in Europe Posts: 633	Originally posted by Asahiflex I find it most remarkable that the old Pentax logo is back on the I-10. The last logo, as used on the K-7 and K-x: The old logo, as on the Auto 110 and many more of the older SLR's: The old logo, back on the I-10: Is this a sign of the future models? I can easily see an EVIL camera with approximately the same looks as the I-10. If it follows the same outline then I'm sure they will sell shitloads of them. I prefer the old logo to the latest.

01-26-2010, 07:58 AM	#42
brofkand Pentaxian Join Date: May 2009 Location: North Carolina Posts: 836	That I-10 is one good looking camera. I am in the market for a good P&S camera. Any word when the cameras will be released? And, once the camera is released, when will it be reviewed?

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01-26-2010, 05:50 PM	#44
brofkand Pentaxian Join Date: May 2009 Location: North Carolina Posts: 836	Kodak just released the Slice, which looks just like their old DISC cameras on the front: KODAK SLICE Touchscreen Camera

01-26-2010, 06:03 PM	#45
MRRiley Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Sterling, VA, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 6,275	Now THAT little camera might actually get me to buy a P&S again... wish it used the AUTO110 lenses though...