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01-27-2010, 03:02 PM   #16
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QuoteOriginally posted by Nubi Quote
I did hear that the price of K-7 in Japan is finally dropping a bit.
Online for 88,600yen is the lowest I've seen.
Body only..

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QuoteOriginally posted by Samsungian Quote
D700 is a July 10th 2008 dslr.

Exactly how many Pentax dslr models from July 2008 are available new today?

I'll guess zero.

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Me bad.

7 K20D new from Amazon.com

Amazon.com: Pentax K20D 14.6MP Digital SLR Camera with Shake Reduction (Body Only): Camera & Photo

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I really need to start ignoring Samsungian...
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I am not a FF fan but I think a better measure of popularity is actual use

Top Digital Cameras Ranked by Frequency of Use

Granted Flickr is not the be all end all but the HUGE number of users gives you the ability to reasonably extrapolate for the broader population. Pentax ends up with 4 cameras in the top 100 - K10, K20, K200 and amazingly, the *ist DL (actually above the K200!). The bad news is that the highest ranking is the K10 and not current bodies made the list

if the list were DSLR only, Pentax bodies would rank well in the bottom and at or below FF models.
I still love my K200D

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Amazon USA K20D link relates to Japan homemarket sales how ?

Amazon USA K20D link relates to Japan homemarket sales how ?

K20D is not on top 10 or top 20 Japan sales charts.

But I do love my K20D I bought in USA.




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I like 4/3 site better

I like 4/3 site better for getting my Japan sales numbers. Their site allows me to read more on m4/3 and 4/3 cameras and rumors and ...

You see, Japan Only camera sales are a statistic many other brand gear owners outside of Japan care about.

So K-x can not get into weekly Top 10 Japan sales cause in comes in colors yet Panasonic did so twice and it comes in colors.

Hmmmm

I know I know, Pannys aren't "dslrs" yet the Japanese group the dslrs and all m4/3 and 4/3 sales together as digital interchangeable lens cameras.





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Your link is just copy and paste from the BCN ranking page I linked to in my first post! That the K-x isn't in the top 10 is partly due to all the flavors it comes in. Again, please read my first post...
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Amazon USA K20D link relates to Japan homemarket sales how ?

K20D is not on top 10 or top 20 Japan sales charts.

But I do love my K20D I bought in USA.
You asked the question if Pentax had any two year old cameras still for sale brand new. The answer is that you can buy plenty of two year old cameras brand new, but why would you, unless like Nikon, you release the same camera with only minor updates?
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This Thread is about Pentax sales position is Japan, not USA

This Thread is about Pentax sales position is Japan, not USA

I've yet to see a global breakout of camera model sales for 2009.

You've seen it ? Please provide me this link ???

Then I'll know exactly where each pentax camera model stacks up in global marketplace.
Well & I'd like to know if Pentax topped 5% global dslrs sales in 2009


I posted this elsewhere and I'll repost it for this thread:



Contrary to popular belief, Pentax has slipped since Hoya Takeover.

Well if you put credibilty in Japan Market Annual sales ?

Since Hoya Buy Out in April 2008 Pentax Corp is no longer #3 in Japan Market:

Japanese Market Annual share for cameras with interchangeable lenses

1 place (share) ........2nd (share) .....3rd (Share)
2009 Canon (39.1%) Nikon (31.3%) Panasonic (8.7%)
2008 Canon (40.1%) Nikon (39.9%) Sony (9.2%)
2007 Nikon (43.8%) Canon (40.0%) Pentax (5.8%)
2006 Canon (44.6%) Nikon (33.6%) Pentax (9.2%)
2005 Canon (52.1%) Nikon (29.3%) Pentax (7.3%)


Japanese Top 3 brand for the year 2009!








QuoteOriginally posted by Rondec Quote
You asked the question if Pentax had any two year old cameras still for sale brand new. The answer is that you can buy plenty of two year old cameras brand new, but why would you, unless like Nikon, you release the same camera with only minor updates?


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Rebatian, are you aware the K-x was on the 3rd place in December, with 7.9% of the market for itself? It was posted on this forum - but only a dozen of times or so, easy to miss But of course, the K-x wasn't on the market for the full year; so in 2009 data it will appear as having ~1.8% when in reality it takes well over 7%.
Are you aware that your table doesn't even prove Pentax has slipped? Looking at it, I can't tell Pentax has less % than in 2007, can you? They could have had 9.1% in 2008 and 8.6% in 2009; both numbers being significantly better than the 5.8% in 2007
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I really need to start ignoring Samsungian...
I do except when I need a laugh. I would suggest charm school or a Norman Vincent Peale course but some folks just like being Debbie Downers. Que sera. After all, it's just a camera.

I really do pick up some really good info on this forum but some of the posts make me wonder........

I mean seriously, if you are that worried about market share and Pentax going out of business buy a Nikon. No big deal. I don't think there's anything any of us can do about it. In the bigger scheme of things it's still just a camera.

I don't think Robert Frank, Eliot Porter, or Bruce Davidson for example are posting on this forum. So truth be told, most of us can probably get basically the same results from all the major brands. I just chose Pentax because I had a K1000 laying around when I decided to get back into photography. My girlfriend shoots Nikon. She also has more money than I do..... :
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QuoteOriginally posted by stanleyk Quote
I mean seriously, if you are that worried about market share and Pentax going out of business buy a Nikon.
No, no, no. If you are that worried about Pentax going out of business buy a Pentax. Help them survive!
Buying a Nikon won't help them.
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QuoteOriginally posted by stanleyk Quote
I do except when I need a laugh. I would suggest charm school or a Norman Vincent Peale course but some folks just like being Debbie Downers. Que sera. After all, it's just a camera.

I really do pick up some really good info on this forum but some of the posts make me wonder........

I mean seriously, if you are that worried about market share and Pentax going out of business buy a Nikon. No big deal. I don't think there's anything any of us can do about it. In the bigger scheme of things it's still just a camera.

I don't think Robert Frank, Eliot Porter, or Bruce Davidson for example are posting on this forum. So truth be told, most of us can probably get basically the same results from all the major brands. I just chose Pentax because I had a K1000 laying around when I decided to get back into photography. My girlfriend shoots Nikon. She also has more money than I do..... :
Yes, but Samsungian shoots with a D700 and 5D as well and will gladly tell you exactly where and when and what he paid for each of the lenses that go along with them. That's fine. Lots of folks here shoot two brands. Just feels deliberately dense sometimes.

Just to go back a second, Samsungian you asked: "Exactly how many Pentax dslr models from July 2008 are available new today? " The answer is that you can buy new, in box *ist D, *istDS, K100, K10 and K20 on Amazon right now. It has nothing to do with Japanese market, it was just fulfilling your hunger for knowledge.
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So K-x can not get into weekly Top 10 Japan sales cause in comes in colors yet Panasonic did so twice and it comes in colors.
Here are the December numbers from BCN.

Here is their summary with all model variants combined.

As you can see, Pentax K-x is December's #3, just before GF1 at #4, while in the full listing with all model variants, GF1 is #7, #8, #25 and #31, while K-x is #14, #16, #17, #18, #43 and #45 (I might have missed some ranks, but you get the point .... I hope).
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QuoteOriginally posted by gazonk Quote
Here are the December numbers from BCN.

Here is their summary with all model variants combined.

As you can see, Pentax K-x is December's #3, just before GF1 at #4, while in the full listing with all model variants, GF1 is #7, #8, #25 and #31, while K-x is #14, #16, #17, #18, #43 and #45 (I might have missed some ranks, but you get the point .... I hope).
Don't tempt Samsungian. He'll come back and update us on the per-minute sales of Samsung's EVIL cameras.
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I'm afraid he will. The worst part, the amazon data is updated hourly; the bcn data, weekly and monthly. Per-minute updates, well, he will simply repeat the same numbers, over and over again
And right now he's training, using the top 3 2005-2009...
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