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02-01-2010, 06:05 AM   #1
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Tokina announces 11-16mm/2.8 for SONY

OK so this lens is now available for Canon, Nikon, Sony- hopefully Pentax is next?

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I think the real question is if Tokina will release the rest of their lenses on Sony. Tokina 16-50mm f2.8, 50-135mm f2.8, 10-17mm fisheye, 100mm f2.8 macro, 80-400mm f4.5-5.6 on a stabilized body.

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I email them once every few months on the 11-16mm. They always say there are 'currently no plans for a Pentax release'. One can still hope. I just emailed them again and would suggest that anyone interested in this lens do the same. The email address is:

sales@tokina.co.jp

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Isn't Tokina owned by Hoya, as with Pentax of course? You will note that Tokina has a 12-24, 10-17 fisheye, 16-50...which I believe were designed by Pentax and then sold by Tokina with Canon and Nikon mounts ?

Am I correct ? What's all this about then.

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QuoteOriginally posted by lesmore49 Quote
Isn't Tokina owned by Hoya, as with Pentax of course? You will note that Tokina has a 12-24, 10-17 fisheye, 16-50...which I believe were designed by Pentax and then sold by Tokina with Canon and Nikon mounts ?

Am I correct ? What's all this about then.
You'll also notice a 35mm f/2.8 macro, 100mm f/2.8 macro, 16-50mm f/2.8 and 50-135mm f/2.8. It's never been too clear whether these are Tokina designs licensed by Pentax or the other way around...or if they're collaborations. Clearly there is something going on or else Tokina would release these lenses in Pentax mount like they used to do in the past.

The question all Pentaxians have on their minds is why Pentax don't release a DA* 11-16mm f/2.8 and DA* 80-400mm f/4.5-5.6. Both would be big sellers if priced like the DA* 16-50 and 50-135.

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Release of the Tokina 11-16mm f/2.8 in an Alpha mount is either reason for Pentaxians to be hopeful... or a complete insult. I'm willing to see what Pentax has to show us at PMA in late February. If I don't hear and see what I'm looking for, I will begin filling the holes in my lens lineup with third-party products. And once I buy them, I will no longer be in the market for those particular lenses... even if Pentax introduces what I want down the road. Now, if Pentax at least begins to offer what I want, then I'll probably wait a while for the rest.

To start: I have two lenses that zoom as wide as 16mm. While the 12-24mm f/4 is an excellent lens, I'm not sure I want to pay $700 for an extra 4mm. If there's no 11-16mm f/2.8 coming, then I'll probably buy the Sigma 10-20mm f/4-5.6 or the Tamron 10-24mm f/3.5-4.5. Neither lens is perfect, but I can also buy a very fast normal prime along with the ultra-wide zoom for only slightly more money than the cost of the Pentax 12-24 alone.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Biro Quote
Release of the Tokina 11-16mm f/2.8 in an Alpha mount is either reason for Pentaxians to be hopeful... or a complete insult. I'm willing to see what Pentax has to show us at PMA in late February. If I don't hear and see what I'm looking for, I will begin filling the holes in my lens lineup with third-party products. And once I buy them, I will no longer be in the market for those particular lenses... even if Pentax introduces what I want down the road. Now, if Pentax at least begins to offer what I want, then I'll probably wait a while for the rest.

To start: I have two lenses that zoom as wide as 16mm. While the 12-24mm f/4 is an excellent lens, I'm not sure I want to pay $700 for an extra 4mm. If there's no 11-16mm f/2.8 coming, then I'll probably buy the Sigma 10-20mm f/4-5.6 or the Tamron 10-24mm f/3.5-4.5. Neither lens is perfect, but I can also buy a very fast normal prime along with the ultra-wide zoom for only slightly more money than the cost of the Pentax 12-24 alone.
I've thought along the same lines. If there's are two Pentaxians thinking the same way, I'm sure there's more. What is Hoya thinking ?
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The DA 12-24mm is a bit sharper than the Sigma 10-20mm. the Tokina is a bit sharper than the DA 12-24mm and is f2.8 vs f4. Since the range I most use for income is 12-14mm, the Tokina would be a very welcome addition for both resolution and light. If Pentax produced the same lens with their coatings, I'd own one.

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QuoteOriginally posted by Biro Quote
I'm willing to see what Pentax has to show us at PMA in late February.
That's also my thought. And I hope it's the "new" Hoya-strategy that there aren't any real rumors for a long time, i hope they'll throw out some lenses at the PMA. It seems a bit to quiet in Pentax-land I think ...
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Although it is neutral from a revenue point of view to Hoya whether you buy a lens from Pentax or Tokina, it is not neutral, from a revenue point of view, to Pentax. Maybe some bigwigs from Pentax has convinced Hoya to stop Tokina from selling such a lens, at least until Pentax has shown a better bottom line.

Maybe to Hoya, Tokina's goal should be to steal lens business from Canon, Nikon and Sony but not necessary from Pentax. But if enough Pentaxian start buying Sigma and Tamron lens, maybe they will change their thinking. But then again Sigma and Tamron don't have a f2.8....so maybe until they also make a similar f2.8, nothing is going to change...

Who knows...the above is just pure speculation from me....

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Yes, it is sad that Tokina which like Pentax is owned by Hoya does not produce the 11-16mm F2.8 lens. That one is extremely well rated.

The silly thing is that because Pentax let them use their designs before being owned by Hoya, they established a non-compete agreement so that to not canibalize the company that feeds them lens designs.

Now, they should really just share the design the other way and let Pentax produce the 11-16mm in a Pentax lens body. Normally the shared design lens only share the optical elements, the lens body and lens coating is still different on each. This means that based on the quality of the 11-16mm, Pentax should make it into a DA* body complete with SDM and weather-sealing.

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Pentax DA* 11-16 pretty please! I very nearly bought the Sigma 10-20, but held off, thinking that the 11-16 would be available soon. If Pentax made a DA/DA* prime wider than 14mm then I would be even happier (my kit would then be DA* 11-16/2.8 (or prime <14, f2.8 or wider), DA* 16-50/2.8, DA* 50-135/2.8, DA* 300/4).

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The Pentax/ Tokina relationship has never been very clear, but based on patents, it seems clear that the majority of the lenses were primarily developed by Pentax. Of the lenses mentioned in this thread, per Douglas of Sweden, only the 12-24 is a Tokina design. The rest are mostly, or all Pentax developed and licensed by Tokina (see here).
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The Pentax DA or DA* 11-16 has been long overdue - it's a shame it comes out for Sony before Pentax... On my side I'd be happy with a non-* and non-SDM version...
I'd be also happy with a DA10 F4 Ltd...
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I do have to agree that having Tokina produce the lens in a Sony mount, while Pentax not offering the lens makes little sense to me. Now, I also have the 12-24 and like its range, however f2.8 would be nice. That said, now after investing in a much better tripod, a great panning ball head, and a panorama head, it negates the need for an f2.8 lens to a large extent, especially in the area that I usually shoot in - ambient low light landscapes. So to a reasonable degree, I have adapted with out the new lens.

You still have to wonder why Pentax has not offered the lens - its going on now about 2 years, if I remember correctly. Afraid to fraternize the 12-24? Apparently it is not a large concern for Tokina. I would like to think that Pentax is trying to offer what its current customers want and will use. But if its true that Pentax was involved in the design of the lens that Tokina offers other other camera makes - while letting its own customers twist in the wind - you are left to wonder... Its a two way street Pentax. I bought my first Spotmatic II in 1970.

You owe your current customers the courtesy of at least an explanation.
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