Tokina plans 16-28mm F2.8 for full-frame. Is that a singht?

24X36NOW · 03-01-2010, 03:19 PM

Originally posted by Tommy

To get back on topic a little....personally I would only buy a 16-28 if I had a full-frame sensor. With APS-C, the zoom range is a little strange....

Strange? I have a 24-40 F 2.8 Tokina AT-X manual focus lens; the 16-28's angle of view on APS-C would be similar to a 24-42mm FF lens, about the same. Nothing strange about it.

Originally posted by Tommy

I can't imagine that many 1D MkIV users buying third part lenses so they must be aimed at the cheaper FF cameras. We haven't seen many of these....A850 is one. Do you think Sigma, Tokina and Tamron knows something about Pentax (or Sony, Canon, Nikon or Olympus for that matter) plans for sensor sizes in future cameras before we know?

Who knows? What they definitely do know, however, is that Nikon and Canon are the biggest players, and both (in addition to Sony) make FF dSLRs. Little point catering only to APS-C when FF lenses can also be used on APS-C anyway (the reverse is not always true). If you look at the third party lens offerings, what you basically get is some specialized lenses to expand the wide end of the range, with coverage up to about 150mm (in terms of the high quality stuff, not the slow, variable aperture, cheap lenses with zoom ratios exceeding 3:1). Beyond that, you can have any lens you like, as long as it's full frame.

**Pål Jensen** · 03-01-2010, 06:08 PM

Originally posted by PentaxPoke

Agreed. Folks, I really believe what Ned, and another Pentax rep said in an interview about a year ago on the issue of FF. They are just not going in that direction, I just don't think it is going to happen anytime soon. Pentax's "FF" is going to be the 645D.

I'm sure the Tokina is for other brands.

..and why do people assume Pentax reps know? Ned is employed at a distributor (US in this case) along with thousands of others world-wide. They know the moment Pentax send them a fax with product data. Usually a month or two before the products hits the shelves.

i83N · 03-01-2010, 06:13 PM

Originally posted by Pål Jensen

..and why do people assume Pentax reps know? Ned is employed at a distributor (US in this case) along with thousands of others world-wide. They know the moment Pentax send them a fax with product data. Usually a month or two before the products hits the shelves.

Agree, they are not the engineering department which work with Tokina, Sigma etc.

omega leader · 03-01-2010, 07:32 PM

No it is not a sign. Sorry.

Blue · 03-02-2010, 02:05 PM

Originally posted by Pål Jensen

..and why do people assume Pentax reps know? Ned is employed at a distributor (US in this case) along with thousands of others world-wide. They know the moment Pentax send them a fax with product data. Usually a month or two before the products hits the shelves.

I think Ned is a little bit more than a typical product rep as President of Pentax USA. The U.S. market has been historically important to Pentax. That said, he was with *cough*canon*cough* not too long ago.

ghelary · 03-03-2010, 02:19 AM

Originally posted by Blue

I think Ned is a little bit more than a typical product rep as President of Pentax USA. The U.S. market has been historically important to Pentax. That said, he was with *cough*canon*cough* not too long ago.

Well it looks that it's not the case anymore, market share is much more important in Europe than in the US. If you add to that the fact that the margin is notoriously higher (this is true for all consumer electronics) and the market itself bigger. You can understand that Pentax focus is not anymore on the US.

For that reason you have more colors available for the K-x in Europe than in US.

But this don't imply that Pentax rep know more about the strategy than US, I believe all info is kept as much as possible in Japan by Hoya.

03-01-2010, 07:32 PM	#19
omega leader Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Niagara Region, Ontario Canada Photos: Gallery Posts: 417	I'm late, but... No it is not a sign. Sorry.

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03-01-2010, 03:19 PM	#16
24X36NOW Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: CT, USA Posts: 498	Originally posted by Tommy To get back on topic a little....personally I would only buy a 16-28 if I had a full-frame sensor. With APS-C, the zoom range is a little strange.... Strange? I have a 24-40 F 2.8 Tokina AT-X manual focus lens; the 16-28's angle of view on APS-C would be similar to a 24-42mm FF lens, about the same. Nothing strange about it. Originally posted by Tommy I can't imagine that many 1D MkIV users buying third part lenses so they must be aimed at the cheaper FF cameras. We haven't seen many of these....A850 is one. Do you think Sigma, Tokina and Tamron knows something about Pentax (or Sony, Canon, Nikon or Olympus for that matter) plans for sensor sizes in future cameras before we know? Who knows? What they definitely do know, however, is that Nikon and Canon are the biggest players, and both (in addition to Sony) make FF dSLRs. Little point catering only to APS-C when FF lenses can also be used on APS-C anyway (the reverse is not always true). If you look at the third party lens offerings, what you basically get is some specialized lenses to expand the wide end of the range, with coverage up to about 150mm (in terms of the high quality stuff, not the slow, variable aperture, cheap lenses with zoom ratios exceeding 3:1). Beyond that, you can have any lens you like, as long as it's full frame.

03-01-2010, 06:08 PM	#17
Pål Jensen Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Norway Photos: Albums Posts: 4,371	Originally posted by PentaxPoke Agreed. Folks, I really believe what Ned, and another Pentax rep said in an interview about a year ago on the issue of FF. They are just not going in that direction, I just don't think it is going to happen anytime soon. Pentax's "FF" is going to be the 645D. I'm sure the Tokina is for other brands. ..and why do people assume Pentax reps know? Ned is employed at a distributor (US in this case) along with thousands of others world-wide. They know the moment Pentax send them a fax with product data. Usually a month or two before the products hits the shelves.

03-01-2010, 06:13 PM	#18
i83N Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Lithuania Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,203 Original Poster	Originally posted by Pål Jensen ..and why do people assume Pentax reps know? Ned is employed at a distributor (US in this case) along with thousands of others world-wide. They know the moment Pentax send them a fax with product data. Usually a month or two before the products hits the shelves. Agree, they are not the engineering department which work with Tokina, Sigma etc.

03-02-2010, 02:05 PM	#20
Blue Moderator Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Florida Hill Country Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 17,377	Originally posted by Pål Jensen ..and why do people assume Pentax reps know? Ned is employed at a distributor (US in this case) along with thousands of others world-wide. They know the moment Pentax send them a fax with product data. Usually a month or two before the products hits the shelves. I think Ned is a little bit more than a typical product rep as President of Pentax USA. The U.S. market has been historically important to Pentax. That said, he was with coughcanoncough not too long ago.

03-03-2010, 02:19 AM	#21
ghelary Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Paris, France Photos: Gallery Posts: 613	Originally posted by Blue I think Ned is a little bit more than a typical product rep as President of Pentax USA. The U.S. market has been historically important to Pentax. That said, he was with coughcanoncough not too long ago. Well it looks that it's not the case anymore, market share is much more important in Europe than in the US. If you add to that the fact that the margin is notoriously higher (this is true for all consumer electronics) and the market itself bigger. You can understand that Pentax focus is not anymore on the US. For that reason you have more colors available for the K-x in Europe than in US. But this don't imply that Pentax rep know more about the strategy than US, I believe all info is kept as much as possible in Japan by Hoya.