PENTAX Professional Services

Steelski · 03-22-2010, 01:36 AM

Originally posted by LeDave

You got that a little wrong, the K-7 has just as good high ISO noise levels as the D300 and if not better than the 50D due to it's banding. This is when you shoot in RAW, but then again tell me which pro doesn't shoot in RAW. As far as AF goes, the K-7 does just as good as D300s in AF.S but however in AF.C it is behind. As far as longer lenses and and a better flash, I could agree.

Its lack of High Iso dynamic range prevent it from having a flexiblehigh Iso image over 1600, the higher it gets the worse the dark parts look. The canon has detail in the shadow, which the Pentax does not. The Nikon performs similarly to the Pentax K-x , which is almost universaly accepted as being better than K-7 at isos over 1600. I agree that banding could be a problem, but its also the first I have heard of it. Its the AF-c thats importaint to what a media traditional pro looks like. they are the ones that could use a fast service the most.
I always shoot raw now, just in case, the K-7 is the almost perfect camera for me, if it was not for the lack of DR in the high Iso department, and the tendency to clip highlights, I would be owning one. That and it was expensive at launch. I am waiting for its replacement.

Last edited by Steelski; 03-22-2010 at 01:47 AM.

thibs · 03-22-2010, 02:18 AM

Originally posted by Kirivon

No matter how streamlined your raw workflow is, it's still faster to hand off a CF card of JPGs straight to the editor doing the page layout.

Which is why RAW+ wins it all

Kirivon · 03-22-2010, 06:24 PM

Originally posted by thibs

Which is why RAW+ wins it all

True -- unless you need high FPS for sports.

Damn Brit · 03-22-2010, 06:49 PM

Originally posted by lithos

Oh, whinge harder, why don't you?

Pentax seem to really have lost the plot when it comes to Customer Service and Marketing in the US.
And Lithos always takes it out on me when he's in a bad mood (which happens to be, whenever he's awake).

BrendanPK · 03-22-2010, 09:09 PM

PPS member here

Ok, reality is that the "loaner" pool is rather shallow however the main benifit is the speedy repairs (often less than 1 week w/ shipping
As to thoes "pentax has no pro cameras etc... I shale have you know that I and alot others are hard at work shooting everything from a landscape or macro to daily news which includes... SPORTS, wow! I have been using Pentaxes to cover everything the papers have thrown at me since 2000 and no one can tell the diff once they have only the image infront of them. Sure I may not have 8-12fps, or AF thats faster than lite but I get buy and love the cameras.

GoremanX · 03-22-2010, 09:35 PM

Originally posted by BrendanPK

As to thoes "pentax has no pro cameras etc... I shale have you know that I and alot others are hard at work shooting everything from a landscape or macro to daily news which includes... SPORTS, wow! I have been using Pentaxes to cover everything the papers have thrown at me since 2000 and no one can tell the diff once they have only the image infront of them. Sure I may not have 8-12fps, or AF thats faster than lite but I get buy and love the cameras.

Surely you jest. It's been proven time and time again with anecdotal evidence and random, uneducated guesses that Pentax is worthless for professional photographers. After all, since most of us are not professionals, clearly we know better what the needs of a professional are.</sarcasm>

thibs · 03-23-2010, 08:09 AM

Originally posted by GoremanX

Surely you jest. It's been proven time and time again with anecdotal evidence and random, uneducated guesses that Pentax is worthless for professional photographers. After all, since most of us are not professionals, clearly we know better what the needs of a professional are.</sarcasm>

+1

Canikon usual brainwashing machine results.

thibs · 03-23-2010, 08:10 AM

Originally posted by Kirivon

True -- unless you need high FPS for sports.

Sure but Pentax isn't suited for that use anyway, isn't it?

cwood · 03-23-2010, 10:09 AM

I've been part of the PPS since shortly after it came into existence. Of course I was hoping they'd have a stockpile of 600mm F4 lenses for me to borrow at will

- but really it was all about getting speedy repairs.

I am also a member of the Canon professional services program and what would be really nice for Pentax to do is to offer the cleaning services Canon offers. Even at the base level of the Canon program you can send in 2 pieces of equipment each year for cleaning.

George Lama · 03-27-2010, 04:02 PM

Originally posted by thibs

+1

Canikon usual brainwashing machine results.

I'm attending a state photographic convention through tomorrow. I thought I would hear the worst drivel coming out of the Canon table (I heard a little while checking their equipment out, mostly from other photogs), but I got the shock of my life when the Sigma Lenses rep flat out said that if he was me, he'd be worried about the future of Pentax in the business.

Too bad Sigma currently sells 35 Pentax mount lenses... The end of days is here, repent!

stevebrot · 03-27-2010, 04:53 PM

Originally posted by GoremanX

I'm pretty sure eggs hatch, chicken are born as a result. But that's just semantics

I guess that it why chicks are referred to as bornlings? Chicks hatch as surely as humans are born. Eggs hatch into chicks. Chicks hatch from eggs.

Steve

lithos · 03-27-2010, 07:12 PM

Originally posted by Frogroast

I got the shock of my life when the Sigma Lenses rep flat out said that if he was me, he'd be worried about the future of Pentax in the business.

Too bad Sigma currently sells 35 Pentax mount lenses... The end of days is here, repent!

HAHAHA!!!

"Oh, yeah, Pentax is gonna be dead in two, three years."

"Really? Why?"

"We don't sell many lenses for them."

"Oh, please elaborate."

"It's true. Sigma's actually the world leader in digital photography, and we set entire trends that the market always ends up following. And, frankly, if people aren't putting our glass on their cameras, there's no way they're gonna stay in business."

"Oh, really? How many people are putting Sigma glass on Sigma cameras?"

"I- um...er-" *pause*

*Frogroast grins nervously*

*Sigma rep lunges for Frogroast's throat*

Tell them the only way Sigma ever sold any lenses in Australia was by being bundled with Pentax cameras...

It did untold damage to Pentax's reputation down here.

saien · 03-28-2010, 02:48 AM

Originally posted by lithos

HAHAHA!!!

"Oh, yeah, Pentax is gonna be dead in two, three years."

"Really? Why?"

"We don't sell many lenses for them."

"Oh, please elaborate."

"It's true. Sigma's actually the world leader in digital photography, and we set entire trends that the market always ends up following. And, frankly, if people aren't putting our glass on their cameras, there's no way they're gonna stay in business."

"Oh, really? How many people are putting Sigma glass on Sigma cameras?"

"I- um...er-" *pause*

*Frogroast grins nervously*

*Sigma rep lunges for Frogroast's throat*

Tell them the only way Sigma ever sold any lenses in Australia was by being bundled with Pentax cameras...

It did untold damage to Pentax's reputation down here.

Haha

It's true - why on earth would CRK use the Sigma kit lenses why the Pentax ones are so good??

**Kerrowdown** · 03-28-2010, 03:18 AM

Reading all the above comments with interest and a wry smile, I make a living using Pentax equipement, have I been going wrong all these years and will make a better living by switching camera brands.....................

There was me thinking it was all down to the captured image that counted, as BrendanPK has already said

**Clarkey** · 03-28-2010, 10:56 AM

Originally posted by kunik

I've been part of the PPS since shortly after it came into existence. Of course I was hoping they'd have a stockpile of 600mm F4 lenses for me to borrow at will

- but really it was all about getting speedy repairs.

I am also a member of the Canon professional services program and what would be really nice for Pentax to do is to offer the cleaning services Canon offers. Even at the base level of the Canon program you can send in 2 pieces of equipment each year for cleaning.

Note: This is coming from a rank amateur.

I was going to ask who was a member of another Pro org. Does anybody else have Nikon, Phase1, Mamiya, Hassy or even Olympus Pro coverage?

What other services do they offer. What other things does Pentax need to offer?

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03-22-2010, 01:36 AM	#16
Steelski Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Varna Posts: 470	Originally posted by LeDave You got that a little wrong, the K-7 has just as good high ISO noise levels as the D300 and if not better than the 50D due to it's banding. This is when you shoot in RAW, but then again tell me which pro doesn't shoot in RAW. As far as AF goes, the K-7 does just as good as D300s in AF.S but however in AF.C it is behind. As far as longer lenses and and a better flash, I could agree. Its lack of High Iso dynamic range prevent it from having a flexiblehigh Iso image over 1600, the higher it gets the worse the dark parts look. The canon has detail in the shadow, which the Pentax does not. The Nikon performs similarly to the Pentax K-x , which is almost universaly accepted as being better than K-7 at isos over 1600. I agree that banding could be a problem, but its also the first I have heard of it. Its the AF-c thats importaint to what a media traditional pro looks like. they are the ones that could use a fast service the most. I always shoot raw now, just in case, the K-7 is the almost perfect camera for me, if it was not for the lack of DR in the high Iso department, and the tendency to clip highlights, I would be owning one. That and it was expensive at launch. I am waiting for its replacement. Last edited by Steelski; 03-22-2010 at 01:47 AM.

03-22-2010, 02:18 AM	#17
thibs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Photos: Albums Posts: 7,001	Originally posted by Kirivon No matter how streamlined your raw workflow is, it's still faster to hand off a CF card of JPGs straight to the editor doing the page layout. Which is why RAW+ wins it all

03-22-2010, 06:24 PM	#18
Kirivon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Colorado Posts: 173	Originally posted by thibs Which is why RAW+ wins it all True -- unless you need high FPS for sports.

03-22-2010, 06:49 PM	#19
Damn Brit Guest	Originally posted by lithos Oh, whinge harder, why don't you? Pentax seem to really have lost the plot when it comes to Customer Service and Marketing in the US. And Lithos always takes it out on me when he's in a bad mood (which happens to be, whenever he's awake).

03-22-2010, 09:09 PM	#20
BrendanPK Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Maryland Photos: Gallery Posts: 735	PPS member here Ok, reality is that the "loaner" pool is rather shallow however the main benifit is the speedy repairs (often less than 1 week w/ shipping As to thoes "pentax has no pro cameras etc... I shale have you know that I and alot others are hard at work shooting everything from a landscape or macro to daily news which includes... SPORTS, wow! I have been using Pentaxes to cover everything the papers have thrown at me since 2000 and no one can tell the diff once they have only the image infront of them. Sure I may not have 8-12fps, or AF thats faster than lite but I get buy and love the cameras.

03-22-2010, 09:35 PM	#21
GoremanX Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Georgia, VT Photos: Albums Posts: 1,657	Originally posted by BrendanPK As to thoes "pentax has no pro cameras etc... I shale have you know that I and alot others are hard at work shooting everything from a landscape or macro to daily news which includes... SPORTS, wow! I have been using Pentaxes to cover everything the papers have thrown at me since 2000 and no one can tell the diff once they have only the image infront of them. Sure I may not have 8-12fps, or AF thats faster than lite but I get buy and love the cameras. Surely you jest. It's been proven time and time again with anecdotal evidence and random, uneducated guesses that Pentax is worthless for professional photographers. After all, since most of us are not professionals, clearly we know better what the needs of a professional are.</sarcasm>

03-23-2010, 08:09 AM	#22
thibs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Photos: Albums Posts: 7,001	Originally posted by GoremanX Surely you jest. It's been proven time and time again with anecdotal evidence and random, uneducated guesses that Pentax is worthless for professional photographers. After all, since most of us are not professionals, clearly we know better what the needs of a professional are.</sarcasm> +1 Canikon usual brainwashing machine results.

03-23-2010, 08:10 AM	#23
thibs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Photos: Albums Posts: 7,001	Originally posted by Kirivon True -- unless you need high FPS for sports. Sure but Pentax isn't suited for that use anyway, isn't it?

03-23-2010, 10:09 AM	#24
cwood Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: California Posts: 851	I've been part of the PPS since shortly after it came into existence. Of course I was hoping they'd have a stockpile of 600mm F4 lenses for me to borrow at will - but really it was all about getting speedy repairs. I am also a member of the Canon professional services program and what would be really nice for Pentax to do is to offer the cleaning services Canon offers. Even at the base level of the Canon program you can send in 2 pieces of equipment each year for cleaning.

03-27-2010, 04:02 PM	#25
George Lama Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Buffalo/Rochester, NY Photos: Albums Posts: 1,133	Originally posted by thibs +1 Canikon usual brainwashing machine results. I'm attending a state photographic convention through tomorrow. I thought I would hear the worst drivel coming out of the Canon table (I heard a little while checking their equipment out, mostly from other photogs), but I got the shock of my life when the Sigma Lenses rep flat out said that if he was me, he'd be worried about the future of Pentax in the business. Too bad Sigma currently sells 35 Pentax mount lenses... The end of days is here, repent!

03-27-2010, 04:53 PM	#26
stevebrot Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Vancouver (USA) Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 42,007	Originally posted by GoremanX I'm pretty sure eggs hatch, chicken are born as a result. But that's just semantics I guess that it why chicks are referred to as bornlings? Chicks hatch as surely as humans are born. Eggs hatch into chicks. Chicks hatch from eggs. Steve

03-27-2010, 07:12 PM	#27
lithos Inactive Account Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Brisbane, QLD, AUS Posts: 3,261	Originally posted by Frogroast I got the shock of my life when the Sigma Lenses rep flat out said that if he was me, he'd be worried about the future of Pentax in the business. Too bad Sigma currently sells 35 Pentax mount lenses... The end of days is here, repent! HAHAHA!!! "Oh, yeah, Pentax is gonna be dead in two, three years." "Really? Why?" "We don't sell many lenses for them." "Oh, please elaborate." "It's true. Sigma's actually the world leader in digital photography, and we set entire trends that the market always ends up following. And, frankly, if people aren't putting our glass on their cameras, there's no way they're gonna stay in business." "Oh, really? How many people are putting Sigma glass on Sigma cameras?" "I- um...er-" pause Frogroast grins nervously Sigma rep lunges for Frogroast's throat Tell them the only way Sigma ever sold any lenses in Australia was by being bundled with Pentax cameras... It did untold damage to Pentax's reputation down here.

03-28-2010, 02:48 AM	#28
saien Inactive Account Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Hobart, Australia Posts: 79	Originally posted by lithos HAHAHA!!! "Oh, yeah, Pentax is gonna be dead in two, three years." "Really? Why?" "We don't sell many lenses for them." "Oh, please elaborate." "It's true. Sigma's actually the world leader in digital photography, and we set entire trends that the market always ends up following. And, frankly, if people aren't putting our glass on their cameras, there's no way they're gonna stay in business." "Oh, really? How many people are putting Sigma glass on Sigma cameras?" "I- um...er-" pause Frogroast grins nervously Sigma rep lunges for Frogroast's throat Tell them the only way Sigma ever sold any lenses in Australia was by being bundled with Pentax cameras... It did untold damage to Pentax's reputation down here. Haha It's true - why on earth would CRK use the Sigma kit lenses why the Pentax ones are so good??

03-28-2010, 03:18 AM	#29
Kerrowdown PEG Moderator Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Highlands of Scotland... "Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand" - William Blake Photos: Gallery Posts: 57,819	Reading all the above comments with interest and a wry smile, I make a living using Pentax equipement, have I been going wrong all these years and will make a better living by switching camera brands..................... There was me thinking it was all down to the captured image that counted, as BrendanPK has already said

03-28-2010, 10:56 AM	#30
Clarkey Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Brampton, ON, Canada Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,456	Originally posted by kunik I've been part of the PPS since shortly after it came into existence. Of course I was hoping they'd have a stockpile of 600mm F4 lenses for me to borrow at will - but really it was all about getting speedy repairs. I am also a member of the Canon professional services program and what would be really nice for Pentax to do is to offer the cleaning services Canon offers. Even at the base level of the Canon program you can send in 2 pieces of equipment each year for cleaning. Note: This is coming from a rank amateur. I was going to ask who was a member of another Pro org. Does anybody else have Nikon, Phase1, Mamiya, Hassy or even Olympus Pro coverage? What other services do they offer. What other things does Pentax need to offer?